Yeshua’s Famous Last Words Amen, Emet, Truth

Michael Rood's Sabbat NIght Live Via Youtube ^ | 28 February 2014 | Michael Rood

[Errant]

As the book of the Revelation comes to a close, we are left with some very important words. Keep his commandments, know his Torah, and make yourself ready to be the bride of the King. He is coming quickly. Join Michael Rood for the final episode in the series From Here to Eternity – Yeshua’s Famous Last Words: Amen, Emet, Truth.

[redleghunter]

Nehemiah Gordor Karaite Jew

I'll mention what has been mentioned before. Why would you use as an authority for NT scriptures a man who does not believe Yeshua is Messiah?

[af_vet_1981]

To be consistent you would have to reduce the writings of the Old Testament in their entirety and give them less credibility.

Jesus already validated the Septuagint Canon by using it and sayin For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whether there were Scriptures in Hebrew and Aramaic does not profit you if you cast away the received Hebrew and Greek text we do have. If you exclude the Holy Spirit from preserving the Canon we will see another new sect, cult, heresy, or re-formed religion. Yeshua said this to the Jewish Apostles who discipled others to build Yeshua's ecclesia

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Regarding many of the debate comments :

For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only used not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

[af_vet_1981]

Used = use

[redleghunter]

there is no evidence that any of the other apostles could even speak Greek. Sure, anything is possible I suppose but common sense tells us they would have first written down their accounts in their native tongue; one they were intimately familiar with.

Alas, we do have Dr. Luke. I am sure you will note he was Greek or at least classically trained in Greek. Paul had some knowledge of Greek philosophers and interacted with "Greek named people" in his ministries.

[roamer_1]

The "largely crap" is the ridiculous notion that the name of Jesus - transliterated meaning, "Jehovah saves" - is not good enough to believe on and gain eternal life.

No, the crap was all that spew about sacred name schtick. I know a lot of sacred name folks, and *none* of them believe that junk. Most are where I am.

When someone receives what Jesus did for them - died to pay for all sin and gift eternal life - is God somehow not impressed because they didn't say His name right? Will He hold back salvation to the one who pronounces His name incorrectly or is it more about believing in WHO He is and what He did?

What has any of that to do with what I said?

When you pray, do you address your prayers to "Father" or "Heavenly Father", like Jesus did?

Depends... sometimes... but usually I call his name.

Does God not hear your prayers if you don't use His personal name?

Again, where is that in what I said?

The writers of the NT wrote in Greek. It is undeniable.

Sure it is. Until you can 'splain to me how those meaningful little Hebrew puns got in there, I will deny it all day long, despite your declarations. It isn't the strength of the proofs that prove a thing - but rather, the lack of errata.

[redleghunter]

And even then, the Pagan characteristics of the Greek language limits the ability to completely convey the message from Hebrew as we've seen.

You have to be careful taking a stand in which you dismiss a language as 'pagan.' Chart below shows the progression of the Hebrew. I am sure you will note the later Hebrew and then Aramaic were influenced by neighboring pagan empires to include Babylon? Even if you look at the paleo-Hebrew pictographs there is linkage to the language used by the Philistines, which if you look at their history they came from 'Greek' environs.

So what I think we see as the Hebrew language progresses, it gets closer to other languages in the surrounding regions. Amazing to look at as God promised to bring salvation to the Gentiles and as the nearing of the First Advent of Christ, we have an empire which has multilingual subjects. And the fact (as you look at the chart) the Hebrew of the time of the First Advent starts to become more 'integrated' with the Greek.

[redleghunter]

WHY was the Old Testament translated into Greek (the Septuagint) two hundred years BEFORE Christianity came into existence? DO you know that the Greeks ruled the known world before the Romans? Can you understand, perhaps, why Greek was the common language of the people of Judea and Galilee as well as the other regions of that part of the world?

A valid and most logical point. We must also consider Acts 2 on how the Holy Spirit communicated the Gospel:

Acts 2:

5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. 7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? 8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.” 12 So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “Whatever could this mean?”

[roamer_1]

Are you claiming to understand Yeshua's will better than Peter, James, and John ? Are are going to disregard their words, which were given by the Holy Spirit?

No, I disregard nothing. But like the disciples of Moses not having authority to change Moses, Neither do the disciples of Yeshua have authority to change what HE said either. Like 'Not one jot or tittle will pass from Torah', Yeshua declares that His words will never pass away.

How then can Paul change his words? He can't (and in fact, he didn't). But if one is not cognizant of the fact that a disciple cannot change the words of his master, one can interpret Paul differently than what was intended.

[Iscool]

there is no evidence that any of the other apostles could even speak Greek. Sure, anything is possible I suppose but common sense tells us they would have first written down their accounts in their native tongue; one they were intimately familiar with.

Alas, we do have Dr. Luke. I am sure you will note he was Greek or at least classically trained in Greek. Paul had some knowledge of Greek philosophers and interacted with "Greek named people" in his ministries.

That's the trouble with people who don't know anything...They have no recourse but to bet on their common sense...

We know Peter spoke to Greek soldiers...We know Philip spoke to a guy from Africa...Most of the apostles/disciples may not have spoken Hebrew, for what we know...

[redleghunter]

Here’s a helpful hint...POST THE TEXT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS. Everyone else does it, why can’t you?

There's the problem. There are no textual transcripts of these DVDs. Sure you can buy a book or two, but we are used to theologians, pastors and teachers of the Word who write doctrinal theses and articles and publish for public record (free) transcripts of their sermons.

[redleghunter]

I will tell you the gifs won’t change the facts. Out of everyone posting here thusfar, boatbums has a degree in Biblical studies.

[redleghunter]

The flip side is why would Christians listen to a Christ denier on the NT scriptures.

[redleghunter]

Nehemiah Gordon is a Karaite Jew, but still well respected as a Hebrew/Jewish bible scholar by everyone, regardless of his personal beliefs.

That's fine and Gordon as a Karaite Jew is no doubt an authority on Torah. However as a Karaite Jew he is no authority on the NT as given his beliefs he is biased as in denying Yeshua as Messiah.

[redleghunter]

Nehemiah Gordon is as much authority on the NT texts as Joseph Smith.

[Iscool]

No, I disregard nothing. But like the disciples of Moses not having authority to change Moses, Neither do the disciples of Yeshua have authority to change what HE said either.

That's true...But Jesus had the authority to change what he said...And he did, with the apostle Paul for one example...

Yeshua declares that His words will never pass away.

And his words did not pass away...We still have them...But that does not mean what was good for one group at one time is history stays the same all thru out history...God has been known to change course even in the Torah...

1Sa 15:1 Samuel also said unto Saul, The LORD sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the LORD.

1Sa 15:10 Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying,
1Sa 15:11 It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night.

1Sa 15:26 And Samuel said unto Saul, I will not return with thee: for thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, and the LORD hath rejected thee from being king over Israel.

How then can Paul change his words? He can't (and in fact, he didn't). But if one is not cognizant of the fact that a disciple cannot change the words of his master, one can interpret Paul differently than what was intended.

You have to ignore too much scripture to come up with that conclusion...

Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Paul received new instructions directly from the risen Savior...Paul did not consult the Torah...Paul did not consult the other apostles...He got it directly from Jesus Christ...

So if we can believe John wrote exactly what the Holy Spirit refreshed his memory with, then we certainly can accept and believe the scriptures that were acknowledged by Peter to be scripture written by Paul, based on what Paul wrote and not thru the eyes of the Torah...

[redleghunter]

Jesus already validated the Septuagint Canon

Jesus was even more descriptive here on what we call the OT canon:

Luke 24:

25 Then He said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?” 27 And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

Same chapter again:

44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” 45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures. 46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And you are witnesses of these things. 49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”

[caww]

Interesting...

"The natural heart rebels against the simplicity of the way of salvation...

What?.. they say to themselves...am I to do nothing but simply accept what Christ has already done? ..merely looking to the cross and find my salvation in Him????....... The proud heart cannot understand because it does not like it.

When this pride hinders a person then they need to go to God about it and seek wisdom from Him. HE will show them the foolishness of their pride, and he will teach them that to simply trust in Jesus is the safest and most suitable way of salvation."

Charles Spurgeon

[CynicalBear]

>>Sure you can buy a book or two, but we are used to theologians, pastors and teachers of the Word who write doctrinal theses and articles and publish for public record (free) transcripts of their sermons.<<

That is a pretty good indication of who is in it for the money and who simply wants to spread the gospel isn’t it?

[roamer_1]

[roamer_1:] Thus the 'words written in red' have to have precedence.

That’s an obvious blatant denial of the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in what the apostles wrote.

No, it's an obvious blatant denial of the way you interpret the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in what the apostles wrote.

The truth is that ALL of scripture is the words of Jesus through the Holy Spirit.

Absolutely! Now you get it - But then how can it be contradictory? And if it seems contradictory, where does the precedence lie, in the new thing or the older thing?

To be consistent you would have to reduce the writings of the Old Testament in their entirety and give them less credibility.

No, actually I put the most emphasis upon Torah, because structurally, what was said first CANNOT be changed.

If you believe that what the authors of scripture wrote are not ALL the words of Jesus then you are left with nothing but the words of man.

Right. But Yeshua is YHWH and YHWH does not change. Nor do His words return to him empty. Thus that which was said first must be preserved. Likewise in the Brit Hadasha - Structurally the Gospels govern the rest... And Torah necessarily governs the Gospels.

I don't reject Paul. I just know that Paul cannot contradict what his master said - THEREFORE, when I read Paul, I interpret him through Yeshua's words, and through the Torah. The things which are unchangeable cannot be changed.

[roamer_1]

You want more chills down the spine. Look at the original symbol of "Hey" which you posted as "Behold, look." The original symbol is a man with arms raised up. Take that with nailed or secured and wow.

I know, right? It's a beautiful thing. The first prophecy concerning Yeshua is the first time YHWH is written (gen 1 :2 IRRC) And this just scratches the surface of the kind of opening or flowering that happens in the Word when looked at with Hebrew eyes. How can one imagine to cover that up?