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To: CynicalBear; af_vet_1981; boatbums; metmom
[roamer_1:] Thus the 'words written in red' have to have precedence.

That’s an obvious blatant denial of the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in what the apostles wrote.

No, it's an obvious blatant denial of the way you interpret the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in what the apostles wrote.

The truth is that ALL of scripture is the words of Jesus through the Holy Spirit.

Absolutely! Now you get it - But then how can it be contradictory? And if it seems contradictory, where does the precedence lie, in the new thing or the older thing?

To be consistent you would have to reduce the writings of the Old Testament in their entirety and give them less credibility.

No, actually I put the most emphasis upon Torah, because structurally, what was said first CANNOT be changed.

If you believe that what the authors of scripture wrote are not ALL the words of Jesus then you are left with nothing but the words of man.

Right. But Yeshua is YHWH and YHWH does not change. Nor do His words return to him empty. Thus that which was said first must be preserved. Likewise in the Brit Hadasha - Structurally the Gospels govern the rest... And Torah necessarily governs the Gospels.

I don't reject Paul. I just know that Paul cannot contradict what his master said - THEREFORE, when I read Paul, I interpret him through Yeshua's words, and through the Torah. The things which are unchangeable cannot be changed.

719 posted on 03/07/2014 12:10:41 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1; af_vet_1981; boatbums; metmom
>>But then how can it be contradictory? And if it seems contradictory, where does the precedence lie, in the new thing or the older thing?<<

It isn’t contradictory. And it doesn’t even seem contradictory if you understand the different dispensations and the way God manages His dealings with man. There is not “new thing” and “older thing”. There are just different things. During this “dispensation of grace” we are not under the laws that the Israelites are under. The “old thing” has not been done away with but it has been suspended until the “fullness of the Gentiles”. Once that happens God will once again deal with the Israelites as a nation under the “old thing” until they accept Jesus as their messiah.

Paul didn’t change Jesus’ words. He was taught and preached that the Israelites have been “set aside” with the “old thing” until the fullness of the Gentiles is realized.

726 posted on 03/07/2014 12:59:48 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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