Posted on 02/09/2014 9:26:46 AM PST by Errant
Parenthetical clauses are used throughout scripture to explain how, why, when and where in close proximity to the main subject and verb.
Parentheses in the book of The Revelation explain cause and effect. They tie together the events that happen previously, to the events that transpire subsequently on the prophetic timeline. Unfortunately, parentheses, as a literary devise, come centuries after the actual parenthetical clauses so prevalent in both Hebrew and Greek linguistic constructions. Because of their late arrival into the English language, the parentheticals in the book of The Revelation have never been either deservedly researched or accurately articulated. Now, after more than 40 years in the making, The Chronological Gospels is complete with all of the extensive parenthetical clauses accurately assigned throughout the book of The Revelation.
Now, with its impending fulfillment looming large on the horizon, The Revelation can finally be understood with clarity and lived with integrity. This one feature (the parenthetical clauses in The Revelation) in The Chronological Gospels is worth one thousand times the price of the book itself.
Join Michael Rood for the first of the last four teachings on the very last book of the Bible, “Parenthetically Speaking (Before We Are Saved From the Wrath To Come)”.
>> “Have you figured out how you will convince Yeshua to let you into heaven when you have denied His deity?” <<
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There you go with another obvious false accusation!
You seem to live by them.
Your feet are going to be sore standing at the Great White throne so long!
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>> “The most sound and relative interpretation for the ‘seven Spirits of God ‘....is that it emphasizes the totality of the Spirit:
“There is the ‘one’ Holy Spirit with seven manifestations here to the seven churches.” <<
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That is strictly your invention. I’ve never heard anybody say anything like that.
>> “There is one God whose essence is Spirit, who has revealed himself in 3 persons” <<
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Men say that but nowhere does the Word say that.
Can’t go anywhere that the word doesn’t go.
>> “The great white throne judgment is strictly for un-believers” <<
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Presently, that is where I see you, with all of your rejection of the clear words of Yeshua, Paul, John, James, and Peter. Belief has to be total to be saving.
>> “If all of us are wrong about Jesus deity, SHOW US FROM SCRIPTURE.” <<
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You are doing battle with your own imagination.
No one on any thread that I have posted to in weeks has even come close to questioning Yeshua’s diety.
Is there nothing else for you to play with?
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>> “Ah ha! So you worship a pantheon of Gods!” <<
Very cute.
So you have no answer then, as I already knew, because there is no answer to this “triune” diversion.
Relying on that which is not in the word just confuses the discussion.
.......>>”Can’t go anywhere that the word doesn’t go”<<...
Well His Word was right there on the post for you to ‘see’....are you “blind”...or do you just not want to see?
Here, I’ll post them ‘again’ below...look up those additional references here if what’s spelled out isn’t enough for you...but there’s plenty here:
Since they all are eternal and present in all the acts of God, responsible for the same activities. All three are the one ‘Elohim’, ....three in unity acting as the One God.
(All Three are called God)
The Father is God:
Gal.1:1 .......
”Paul, an apostle, not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;”
Phil.1:2.....
“Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord”
Eph.1:3,17...3:14 ...4:6...5:20
1Thess.1:1..3:11...
2 Thess.1:2...2:16
Titus 1:4
1 Pt.1:2-3
The Son is God:
Jn.1:1...
“and the Word was with God and the word was God.”
1 Jn. 5:20...,
... and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”.....
Isa.7:14... 9:6
Mt.1:23
Jn.20:28
Rom. 9:5
Col.2:9
Heb. 1:8-9
1 Jn.5:11,12,21
The Holy Spirit is God:
Gen. 1:2, Acts 5:3-4, 1Cor.2:11, 1 Cor.6:19, 1 Cor.3:17..... To have the Spirit in you makes one the temple of God.
.......”Now the Lord (Yahweh) is that Spirit” Isa. 11:2..... The Spirit of the Lord. Rom.8:9-16
(All three Are Eternal simultaneously existing)
“the Father is eternal”.....James 1:17
The Son is Eternal:
...... Hebrews 13:8....
“ Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever.” ....Micah 5:2 ....” speaking of Jesus-whose goings forth are from old (ancient times) from everlasting (eternity)”
“the Holy Spirit is eternal”
.... Heb. 9:14 .....“God is spirit” Jn.4:24
All three were responsible for creation:
the Father was involved in the creation;....
( Eph. 3:14, Mal 2:10)
the Son was involved in the creation......
( Jn.1:3, Heb. 1:2 Col. 1:16 )....All things were made through him.
the Holy Spirit was involved in the creation.....
( Ps. 104:30, Job 26:13..... “By his Spirit he made the heavens Job33:4
There is one God whose essence is Spirit, who has revealed himself in 3 persons.....
-That the Father is God un-begotten.
-That Christ Jesus is God begotten of the father..... Being the Son of God (the word) from eternity. ....Who took on human flesh by his virgin birth..... He died and rose in the same body and sits at the right hand of the Father until he returns. ..
-That the H. Spirit is God just as the Father and Son are.
All are different personalities which share in the same essence of uncreated Spirit....
Those who claim a contradiction that one cannot be three, do not take the time to hear what we are saying. What we are not saying is that they are one and three in the same exact sense. We are saying God is one in a certain sense and is three in another.
When we say that they are all personal, we distinguish that there are necessary elements that constitute personality in each one. Each has a will, intellect and emotions, besides different titles and names they function in that express their attributes and abilities. All this makes them different personalities. These distinctions do not take away from their unity as one God. For example, It is the Son who died for all mankind, the Father and the Spirit did not. The Son came in human flesh, and still is in the flesh, while the other two never came in the flesh.
Each person has a different position and function yet none act on their own but in unity. There is never more than 3 mentioned as God. All 3 are involved in creation and redemption of man. The Trinity that anti-Trinitarians most often represent is 1+1+1=3 Gods, this is not what we believe. Three persons in one nature; All three are the one God. All of these persons are eternal, co-equal in power and majesty, and as God, deserve our worship.
http://www.letusreason.org/trin11.htm
You’re doing gymnastics there.
Doctrine cannot be a patchwork.
You’re taking ideas of men, and trying to sew them together into doctrine and that is fallacy.
What is the differences between the ‘Hebrew roots Movement’ and ‘Messianic Jews’?
The “Hebrew Roots movement “and “Messianic Jews and Messianic churches” are two different groups. A small percentage may lean toward the more exclusive teachings of the Hebrew roots (or the sacred name movement)
On one hand both still emphasize the law, though Messianic Jews will not say we are required to keep kosher or the Sabbath but choose to do so to keep their heritage. On the other hand, the Hebrew roots movement [HRM] (for the most part) insists that we must keep the Sabbath,we must to keep Moses law (or portions in it), which includes the Feast Days.
There is no obligation to celebrate Hebrew Feast days.while it is beneficial to learn the Old testament from a Hebrew perspective, it is equally non beneficial to place non Jews and Jews under the laws that are not required. which is falling into the same Galatian heresy Paul addressed. It is good to understand how these feasts foreshadow and typify Christ, but again, they are not required to be kept. Yeshua died to break down (Colossians 3:11 & Ephesians 2:11-15). we are all spiritually one in Christ; which is not based on our natural birth but our Second spiritual Birth.
Their most ardent teaching is against using the name Jesus, which they consider pagan and even related to Zeus. So they combine a name from Yah for the Messiah, he is to be called Yahshua. Sacred name groups insist one must pronounce the name in Hebrew for salvation and prayer to be answered yet they cannot agree on the exact name 9Actually the correct pronunciation is Yeshua). Hebrew is a sacred language, the New Testament was not written in Greek
For the most part HRM does not believe Yashua (not pronounced Yeshua and certainly not Jesus) is God come in the flesh as the Bible teaches and they teach that all the laws are binding. Some reject the message of Paul and seem to not accept a new covenant, i.e through the gospel.
Messianic Jews do believe the gospel and that Jesus is God, but will often make certain parts of the law inclusive to living. They will meet on Shabbat and often have the 10 commandments displayed at the podium.There are Messianic Jews that confuse Talmudic Judaism with the Judaism of Moses, Some are also in the Hyper Charismania that has solidified itself in the church.
Again there are individual groups that have varying views within each camp that one cannot say anything of these teachings are unanimous.
(From Let Us Reason)
I most certainly do. It is however a new covenant that we are under.
Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
A better covenant. Not a fixed or renewed covenant.
Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
The Holy Spirit through Paul told us we are no longer under the law.
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
He then goes on to say that not being under the law does not say that we will want to sin.
Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
But that we are no longer servants to sin but are the servants of righteousness. He says that by our new nature we will follow the urging of the Holy Spirit within since we are now His servants.
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
The attempt by Rood, Catholics and others to put us back under the external rules of the laws is denying the efficacy of the death of Christ and the subsequent indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Following the “teachings of Jesus” is not the issue. Only those who are not under grace having not believed in the efficacy of the death of Christ are under the obligations of the law, the whole law. It is those only who are under the law. We are under the new covenant” of grace.
Ok...so you have nothing to put up to defend your position, I guess I get that now....But you asked ‘for scripture’ of which I presented.....and all you have in response is curt remarks of doing gymnastics?....which of course then leaves me to think that you do not know how to defend your position....nor can you.
Weasel words! You have now adjusted to seeming to agree that Jesus is indeed God. That left you with having to make a statement that indicates you serve a pantheon of Gods. You seem to have a dilemma on your hands. You have had to agree that Jesus and the Father are both God but then indicated you believe there are others. So how many God’s do you serve or have you lost count? You can no longer say just one because you have already said there are at least two and possibly more.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true.....this thread is full of peoples testimonies and scriptures they are testifying to....
So it’s fair to assume you have not kept the law you claim you must. So where does that leave you then before God?
I most certainly do. It is however a new covenant that we are under.
Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
A better covenant. Not a fixed or renewed covenant.
Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
I'm going to break your last comment to me into two parts due to time constraints. I will get to the second part later.
When one has their contract renewed, there is always changes to it like an increase in salary and etc. Some will say they have renewed my contract and others will say I have a new contract with so and so.
When speaking of the renewed covenant, perhaps we can all agree enthusiastically with Heb. 8:6, that it is a "better covenant". Is that acceptable?
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
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I’m going to have to say no. With all due respect, that was all man’s wisdom. There is way too much other evidence in scripture to counter that.
Galatians 4: 21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? 22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. 24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. 28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
Cast out the old covenant of the law that they were under bondage to. We are under the freedom of Christ. (So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed)
Hebrews 8: 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
There are many more passages that show that the old covenant has passed away. It has not been renewed, fixed, or adjusted.
Rood and others who would put us back under that bondage are speaking from God.
Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
What more is there to discuss???
This verse is the starting point...Every verse of scripture read or spoken has to have this truth in mind...Anything else is a tinkling cymbal...
Isa 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
Isa 48:17 Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.M.b>
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Isa 43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.
Isa 43:13 Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?
Isa 43:14 Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships.
Isa 43:15 I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.
I just picked a couple...The Trinity is all over the Old Testament...I picked a couple just for the fun of it...
2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
It is undeniable...
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