Posted on 04/08/2013 7:14:00 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
In truth, Obama's background is more than compelling. It's a tragedy. In 1971, Barry Soetoro, son of Lolo Soetoro and Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro, arrived at Hawaii International Airport as an unaccompanied minor with Indonesian Nationality.
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Obama's original long form birth certificate was sealed and archived after a Court order to seal it. A Certificate of Live Birth for Barry Soetoro, son of Lolo Soetoro and Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro, was created and filed as part of the finalized adoption order.
In 1971, Barry Soetoro was taken into protective custody by Immigration and Customs Enforcement. His legal custody was transferred to Catholic Social Services of Connecticut while his grandmother, Madelyn Payne Dunham, was appointed his legal guardian.
Catholic Social Services of Connecticut was under contract the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to provide child welfare services for minors with foreign nationality in 1971. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services is discharged with the duty of administering the Federal Foster Care program. Obama entered the Federal Foster Care program in 1971 and was not discharged from the child welfare program for foreign nationals until he reached the age of majority, 18 years-old, August 4, 1979.
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Shortly after Obama arrived in Hawaii and was taken into Federal Foster Care, Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro and Barack Hussein Obama Sr. returned to Hawaii to appear at a child custody hearing. It was at this hearing Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro testified Barry Soetoro, a/k/a/ Barack Hussein Obama II, was not the son Barack Hussein Obama Sr. Barack Hussein Obama Sr. had returned to Hawaii at the request of the U.S. State Department to testify he was the birth father of Barack Hussein Obama II,...
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Neither did Health and Human Services. I was born in the early 70s and my SocSec card is from Dept of Health, Education and Welfare.
You don’t back up your claims with evidence if you are seeking to spread disinformation and discredit people by making them seem ready to accept any crank story - no matter how unlikely.
Too bad crap like this is forwarded around, it should be ignored.
The biggest problem with Sven’s allegations is that the U.S. Department of State and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security are formally on record with their denial that Obama was ever a citizen of Indonesia and their assertion that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born citizen of the United States. (http://www.scribd.com/doc/21654281/Docket-Item-17-DCD-08-Cv-2234-Strunk-FOIA-Answer-by-Defendants-to-Amended-Complaint-042309).
Neither did the Department of Health and Human Services. That came about in 1979 when they created the Department of Education from the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare.
Probably because the Connecticut SSN was stolen. See post #16.
I would have thought that the complete lack of supporting documentation on the loss of custody, the overturning of the adoption, the nationalized citizenship, or a copy of the Certificate of Loss of Nationality would have been bigger problems.
It's total BS. Obama cared so much about the law that he became a naturalized citizen of the U.S. and promptly signed up for Selective Service so that he could get student loans, go to Harvard and become President.
Too bad his Selective Service application is a complete forgery. Why would he have to do that if he became naturalized? Didn't Ogabe want to follow the law? /s
At this time, Obama’s status is that of an illegal alien with multiple fabricated documents constituting felony fraud. Fake Birth Certificate, Fake Social Security Number, Fake Selective Service application.....
When is the DEPORTATION?
However, our POV has been shared ad nauseam since 2007 to no noticeable effect. In an uncanny re-iteration of public opinion that was known during the Revolution, about 30% are flat out on Team Obama. About 30% (or less) accept the simple truths we are stating, and 40% do not give a rat's patoot and can be swayed by truly stupid and bizarre rhetoric that is aimed at exciting jealousy rather than any nobler human thought. In any democracy apparently, it is a majority of THOSE people who will call the tune the rest of us will dance to. It is quite simply the point at which every democracy since the dawn of man has failed; i.e., that point at which politicians write checks on the treasury to reward those who keep them in power and pass laws to punish those who might vote them out.
Apparently enough of the mindless 40% that actually does vote found their way to the voting booth, or lent their names to fraud, to carry the election for Team Obama. Conversely, enough of the 30% that knows the truth could not find the will to get up from their couch and TV and do the same.
So, no one ever promised the Republic would last forever. In fact, peopled as our land presently is, I promise you and my children that it might very well be on it's last legs. What's next? Visit México.
A constitutionally ineligible, queer, disbarred socialist lawyer with patently false ID as President? Sure. You got it.
Yeah, that too. :-)
“Be careful about preconceptions”
I have a preconception that you’re a Fogblower, newbie.
Another big problem for Sven’s claims is the “renunciation of nationality” that supposedly happened in 1968.
In 1968 0 was 7 years old.
The current state dept foreign affairs manual 7 FAM 1292 i) 2) says minors under 16 are not to be regarded as capable of renouncing nationality.
Also that the renunciation be done overseas.
Trouble is, 0 was 16 in 1977 and in high school in hawaii; see “choom gang with cake” pic.... it has “class of 1979” on it.
I doubt the 1961 era counterpart to this 7 FAM manual allowed anyone under 16 to renounce their citizenship either.
Oh, and Sven’s sidestep of these points is utter fantasy; I won’t repeat his claim here.
As yet there have been zero proofs showing that little barry bastard was connected to the CT services. This stinks of trying to give an alibi for the stolen CT social security number criminal barry has been using.
The truly sad thing is that there are a lot of legitimate questions about Obama’s qualifications and what the true meaning of natural-born citizen is. But any time someone tries to have a learned debate about it they get lumped in with all the raving birthers and their crazy claims and wind up being tarred by the same brush.
Is Sven ever going to post on this thread about his own claims? So far, he has steered clear of it.
It seems Orly Taitz is upset that ‘Obama Release Your Records’ picked up Sven’s allegations. She goes on the attack at her blog and posted this earlier:
Headline:
Sven Magnussen is a resident of Sweden, not an employee of the State Department, there is no proof to his story about Catholic charities adopting Obama
Posted on | April 8, 2013 | 5 Comments
An individual by name Sven Magnussen wrote that Obama came to the U.S. as a foreign citizen in 1979, was in care of a catholic charity and was later placed into guardianship of his grandparents. He claims that his Indonesian adoption was annulled, so this story is actually an obot story, as it helps Obama to explain his invalid Social Security number, his Indonesian citizenship, as annulment of adoption supposedly whitewashed both. This story was published in Free Republic and later ORYR (Obama release your records). I hope people running these blogs ask for some shred of proof before publishing stories. I am wondering why ORYR published this story and did not publish a notification of my case being heard on April 22, which is on the court docket and a verified fact? Why did he publish multiple articles about yet another interview by Mike Zullo promising new information, while no new information was ever provided and this interview was just a prelude for yet another fund raiser for Sheriff Arpaio, who did over year of interviews and fund raisers, but never filed a criminal complaint, refused to appear in court and testify and deputised my witness John Sampson in his cold case posse only to tell him not to appear in my cases again and not to testify, as he is now a part of this cold case posse?
1. Sven Magnussen did not provide any proof of this story, it is similar to Linda Adams story and birth in the manger on the premises of the U.S. embassy story or birth on board of Pan Am story. Multiple stories are brought forward without a shred of proof.
2. Sven Magnussen, who from what I recall, posted under multiple names, previously wrote to me and stated that he is a citizen of Sweden and sent excerpts of Swedish papers. So, the new story, that he is a U.S. citizen and an employee of the State Department is not true.
3. I found yet another example of a fraudulent statement by Sven Magnussen. He wrote an article
Taitz v Mississippi Democratic Party Dismissed. In reality this case was not dismissed and is still going on.
Sit down and shut up for a spell, Orly. BTW, how are your fundraisers going?
“The biggest problem with Sven’s allegations is that the U.S. Department of State and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security are formally on record with their denial that Obama was ever a citizen of Indonesia and their assertion that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born citizen of the United States.”
Not true. DOS and DHS did not make a positive “assertion that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born citizen of the United States.”
DOS and DHS made a denial of the “allegation” of the plaintiff sufficient to avoid a default judgment in favor of the plaintiff. A denial in an answer to a lawsuit does not require a positive assertion that Barry IS NBC or WAS born in HI or provision of any evidence or citation of any case law.
Here is what DOS and DHS denied:
“To the extent this paragraph alleges that PresidentObama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States, that allegation is denied. Specifically, Defendants deny that President Obama was born in Kenya or anywhere outside the state of Hawaii.”
Note the lawyerly parsing. They don’t say Barry is NBC or that he was born in HI. If they did that they could be forced to defend such claims with evidence if the matter went to trial.
“To the extent this paragraph alleges that PresidentObama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States, that allegation is denied. Specifically, Defendants deny that President Obama was born in Kenya or anywhere outside the state of Hawaii.”
Note the lawyerly parsing. They don’t say Barry is NBC or that he was born in HI. If they did that they could be forced to defend such claims with evidence if the matter went to trial.
Of course they stated that Obama is a NBC and that he was born in Hawaii. There is no other way of reading that statement without throwing logic out the window. Moreover, any court in the country will read it that way. And so will any Congressman.
“... I think you need to be prepared for hard questions and have your evidence ready to back your claims up because these claims of yours will be now investigated on a larger scope. Attorney Mario Apuzzo’s client Cdr. Charles Kerchner has chimed in on his thoughts at the source link and stated you need to show some evidence.”
Wonderful! First, I like CDR Kerchner, or preferably Mario Apuzzo, to explain the Fed Rules of Civil Procedure to me and others with regard to presenting evidence with a complaint in a civil suit.
I’m not a lawyer, but I understand allegations are made and the Judge is to read those allegations as true until the defendant successfully defends himself or presents a case the allegations do not have merit. At a minimum, the defendant could state the allegation I naturalized as a U.S. citizen in 1983 is not true.
It is at this time the discovery process begins. The plaintiff can subpoena Obama to obtain and bring a certified copy of his Certificate of Naturalization to a deposition. If he ignores the subpoena or lies under oath, then the defense and the Court are notified a rebuttal witness will be called at trail to impeach Obama’s testimony the Certificate of Naturalization does not exist or is unobtainable.
Furthermore, the plaintiff can subpoena corroborating evidence. For example, a subpoena could be issued for Obama to obtain a certified copy of his original Form SS-%, Application for SSN and NUMIDENT file available through SSA. Certainly, Obama won’t testify these documents don’t exist. If so, a rebuttal witness can be called at trial to testify the documents do exist and are obtainable.
Obama’s Form SS-5 and NUMIDENT file will show he applied as a permanent resident alien in 1977 because he did not naturalize until 1983. Any evidence I have to prove Obama naturalized in 1983 is inadmissible because I do not own or control the documents. Only the Federal agency and Obama have the right to own and control these documents. Consequently, these documents cannot be submitted with a complaint in a civil suit. Any evidence or corroborating evidence obtained outside of discovery will be ignored by the Court.
I hope Mario can explain this to us in detail so we can focus making allegations against Obama and getting to discovery.
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