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Asking Yourself a Question: More 'Conservative'... or 'Libertarian'?
Reaganite Republican ^ | 19 March 2013 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 03/19/2013 8:30:58 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican

Even though I agreed with much of what Ron Paul had to say, all I could ever think is 'this isn't my guy' for president -too odd a demeanor/un-electable- not to mention foreign policy positions that were appalling to a peace-through-strength Republican like myself, particularly statements made re. Iran and Israel.

But lo-and-behold, now we have fervent offspring Rand Paul who -while libertarian in his views- apparently saw wisdom in distancing himself from his father's take re. the volatile Muddled East.. and that's when I started listening to him.

Maybe I've changed in my hawkishness too- I'd rather have not been involved in Libya at all -don't want to empower jihadists in Syria- and find it pointless to back wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that I supported all the way when we're just going to hand them over to Iran or the Taliban at the end anyway.

Sooo, looking at the handy chart I found at the Libertarian Party (who I don't advocate as viable in 2016, even Rand Paul prefers working to take-over the Republican party to a 3rd-party challenge for practical reasons) you might find it useful to see right where the lines are drawn, as well as where you yourself stand as a whole in today's turbulent political cauldron...
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I don't know how 'socially tolerant' I am, but if putting social issues on the back burner to ensure fiscal crises remain front+center from now through 2016, so be it. Note that the 'libertarian' overlap below appears to be a potentially appealing package as far as winning elections go...


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: chart; conservative; liberaltarian; libertarian; moralabsolutes; rand; socialconservatives; socialliberals
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To: Dead Corpse

You suck generally. Neener neener neener. < / Dead Corpse >

(Jeez. Get a personality transplant, and come back.)


81 posted on 03/19/2013 9:41:25 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: Olog-hai
What does “Republican” mean?

Lots of Democrats switched to the GOP, and never abandoned the typical liberal Democratic party line.

This.

82 posted on 03/19/2013 9:42:05 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Dead Corpse
I did read their writings. They felt it would be a greater evil to force belief when even God didn’t do so.

And yet you ignore the fact that they specifically stated that the system they setup was for a Christian nation only and that otherwise, it would fail, which we are seeing right before our very eyes.
83 posted on 03/19/2013 9:44:50 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Uncle Miltie

You started off sophomoric and declined from there.

To be expected I guess.


84 posted on 03/19/2013 9:47:19 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse
“I shall need...the favor of that Being in whose hands we are, who led our fathers, as Israel of old”—Thomas Jefferson inaugural address.
85 posted on 03/19/2013 9:50:29 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: SoConPubbie

And why are we failing?

Because we took the system they set up and abandoned it.

That most of you are too myopic to see it doesn’t change reality.


86 posted on 03/19/2013 9:50:42 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

“Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear.” - TJ

Again with that whole “it must be a choice or it is meaningless” thing.

You might want to cogitate on that a bit.


87 posted on 03/19/2013 9:53:52 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Are you guys working for Roseanne Barr's party?? If you want to see someone lose worse than romney did, put in a “freedom to do whatever you want” libertarian. I know Christians who would not vote for romney because of his actions in MA (not to be confused with what he felt he had to say to get the base) I made the mistake of thinking we have to get obama out. Now I see I was wrong. I will never vote for a rino again. The gop thinks they will retain those who compromised their values and voted for romney will just keep going on voting for whoever they chose. Wrong. The gop has a pattern of using people for their votes. We know they hate conservative. At least the left is honest with their hatred of us, the right isn't that honest. I and many here do not follow a political party, but God. We are still free to do that or should we not be able to vote because we have Christian views and agree with the founding fathers? Your resentment of our faith is apparent, so I would not bother trying to get our vote. My bet is you'll get the left; especially the atheist professors.

Whose God? The God the Founding Father's wrote about. The God of The Bible and The Torah. The founding documents were not based on the new religions and philosophies we see today. History does not change nor does God. You want freedom to do whatever people want? You apparently don't know the depths of depravity that man to go.

This is one of things you get when you take God out of our nation.

Pedophiles want same rights as homosexuals
Claim unfair to be stigmatized for sexual orientation

by Jack Minor –
Using the same tactics used by “gay” rights activists, pedophiles have begun to seek similar status arguing their desire for children is a sexual orientation no different than heterosexual or homosexuals.
Critics of the homosexual lifestyle have long claimed that once it became acceptable to identify homosexuality as simply an “alternative lifestyle” or sexual orientation, logically nothing would be off limits. “Gay” advocates have taken offense at such a position insisting this would never happen. However, psychiatrists are now beginning to advocate redefining pedophilia in the same way homosexuality was redefined several years ago.

88 posted on 03/19/2013 9:58:52 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: Reaganite Republican

You are a liberal. A social liberal. And - see my tagline - I have no use for liberals.

But I thank you for posting this thread. What you’re doing here is making it clearer and clearer the distinct and obvious differences between concervatives and libertarians.

There are many who consider themselves libertarian on this subject or that. And conservative on other issues.

Bull-loney.

If you are not a SoCon, then you are of no value on economic issues either.

Its. Just. That. Simple.


89 posted on 03/19/2013 9:59:13 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
"Our founders were Christians, and the God of America is the God of Abraham.

Period, end of story, no compromise."

You're correct, even to the earliest English settlers on these shores, at Cape Henry, Virginia in 1607. They dedicated the new land to Jesus Christ.

http://ohioca.org/enews.php?JOIN-US-THIS-THURSDAY-FOR-PRAYING-FOR-AMERICA-2-CHRON.-7-14-228

90 posted on 03/19/2013 10:08:10 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

http://ohioca.org/enews.php?JOIN-US-THIS-THURSDAY-FOR-PRAYING-FOR-AMERICA-2-CHRON.-7-14-228


91 posted on 03/19/2013 10:08:35 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: Dead Corpse
I might not, because it is unrelated to the discussion at hand. The premise that I start from is there are natural laws put in place by the God of Abraham.

You seem to think that the premise should be that anything goes, and that you can still somehow have a free and stable society is such a situation. History, logic, common sense, and more importantly than all else, GOD, says otherwise.

There is no tyranny in enforcing the natural laws -- to claim so, as you are doing, is to call God Himself a tyrant.

92 posted on 03/19/2013 10:09:46 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: SoConPubbie; Dead Corpse
And when Jesus came on the scene, he stated unequivocally that he did not come to do away with the Old Testament but to fulfill the Old Testament

Which He did in His Person and Life - and then having fulfilled it, proceeded to do away with much of it: "And He said to them: The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath." (Mark 2:27) "You have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. But I say to you not to resist evil: but if one strike thee on thy right cheek, turn to him also the other: And if a man will contend with thee in judgment, and take away thy coat, let go thy cloak also unto him. And whosoever will force thee one mile, go with him other two, Give to him that asketh of thee and from him that would borrow of thee turn not away. You have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thy enemy. But I say to you, Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you: and pray for them that persecute and calumniate you: That you may be the children of your Father who is in heaven, who maketh his sun to rise upon the good, and bad, and raineth upon the just and the unjust." (Matthew 5:38-45)

93 posted on 03/19/2013 10:10:15 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Linda Frances
I don't think so. Liberty oriented conservatives, and Libertarians are frequently very religious people who believe that (a) government is subservient, at best, to natural, God given rights, and (b)people should be free to make their own choices regarding religion.

When government seeks to grow and gets more and more involved in society it always tries to displace other sources of authority including family and religion. The philosophy of the left calls for the replacement of belief in religion with belief in the state. One can see that strategy in operation all around us.

There is a natural alliance between freedom, liberty and God's teaching. There is a very large body of people in our nation who may have different religions, or different ideas about how to live their own lives, but they all share the desire to live freely without the interference of the state.

Without the coercive power of the government many of the most divisive issues in society become non-issues.

94 posted on 03/19/2013 10:10:30 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing; Linda Frances
I don't think so. Liberty oriented conservatives, and Libertarians are frequently very religious people who believe that (a) government is subservient, at best, to natural, God given rights, and (b)people should be free to make their own choices regarding religion.

By the very act of not basing ALL of their decisions, political or not, on the laws of God, they disprove the notion that they are Christians.

There is zero tolerance with God for sin, and he has already provided the model to be used for good governance in the Old Testament.

Those trying to separate God from the laws of this land, are not Christians, and are no better than any other left-wing extremist.
95 posted on 03/19/2013 10:14:54 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie; freeandfreezing; Linda Frances
There is zero tolerance with God for sin, and he has already provided the model to be used for good governance in the Old Testament.

So you support the stoning to death of unruly sons?

96 posted on 03/19/2013 10:16:42 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Dead Corpse

Why would it? You just don’t have any idea about what you are posting about, perhaps you should do less personalizing and searching for personal grudges against freepers and carrying them around with you.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2995286/posts?page=36#36


97 posted on 03/19/2013 10:24:37 AM PDT by ansel12 (" I would not be in the United States Senate if it wasnÂ’t for Sarah Palin " Cruz said.)
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To: SoConPubbie

“Those trying to separate God from the laws of this land, are not Christians, and are no better than any other left-wing extremist. “

Do remember...radical Muslims also desire theocracies. While I agree that no nation can survive without morality, please show me where in the constitution or declaration of independence it says one has to be ‘Christian’...many of the founding fathers weren’t.


98 posted on 03/19/2013 10:26:17 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Reaganite Republican

The left out abolishing age of consent for sex and drugs under libertarians. Then again, like leftists, they hide their real motives.

Why do I think this was made by Libertopians?


99 posted on 03/19/2013 10:29:04 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Uncle Miltie

When Liberaltopians say “personal freedom” they mean the right to use and share drugs and sex with your kids apparently.


100 posted on 03/19/2013 10:30:20 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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