36% Believe Obama is Hiding Biographical Information

Sven Magnussen ^ | Jan 18, 2013 | Sven Magnussen

[ABrit]

.....During the 2008 campaign, Obama admitted Lolo Soetoro was his step-father and he was in Indonesia in 1968 attending elementary school. Lolo Soetoro and Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham-Soetoro, were married in Hawaii in 1965. Obama campaign supporters have consistently and repeatedly insisted Indonesian Law would not allow Obama to be adopted by Lolo Soetoro and he could not be naturalized as an Indonesian citizen because of his age. Furthermore, Obama supporters insist his Indonesian citizenship is irrelevant to his allegience to the United States as a natural born citizen of the United States.

Obama was not adopted in Indonesia. He was adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Hawaii in 1967. When the Soetoro adoption was finalized in 1967, Obama's original long form birth certificate was sealed by order of the Court and archived by the Hawaii Department of Health (HDOH). A sealed vital record is null and void for all future legal or administrative proceedings. In addition to sealing Obama's original long form birth certificate, the Court ordered a Certification of Live Birth (COLB) created and filed by the registrar of HDOH. Lolo Soetoro was listed as the paternal parent for Barry Soetoro for a live birth on August 4, 1961, Honolulu, HI and filed on August 8, 1961.....

[bgill]

I saw Obama and I have always thought it was Obama

Because every newborn looks exactly like their 50 year old selves and his bassinet was bathed with such a beautiful glowing light that his face was burned into her memory all these years.

On the flip side, none, not one, of Sr.'s East West college friends ever knew about little Barry until the election. No, lying Gov. Pothead doesn't count. Sr.'s friends didn't know about SAD, either. In those days, a 17 year old middle class white girl giving birth to a black baby would have been all over campus and half the island within 5 seconds.

Isn't it interesting that we hear from Sr.'s friends but crickets from SAD's friends. Did she not have any friends there at that time or was she simply not anywhere near the island? Where is the newspaper announcement of the engagement, the bridal shower, the wedding announcement (even if the Dunham's weren't too pleased but especially to keep up appearances with the soon to be "premie" grandchild) and the baby shower? My family scrapbook has clippings of all of those events from that time period.

[butterdezillion]

Mike Evans says Gov. Pothead told him the first he saw of Barry was at T-ball age (around 6). That contradicts what he has said publicly. The guy is thus a known liar, since both claims can’t be true.

And Monica Waidelich’s “memories” have very little credibility, since she says she remembers seeing a bunch of Asian babies but only one white child (her son), when the CDC’s statistics show that if babies stayed in the nursery for 4-7 days after the birth there would have been 30-50 white babies in Honolulu nurseries on any given day. On any given day there would have been 1-2 Black babies in Honolulu nurseries, so what she considered so rare (a Black baby in the nursery) was in fact a continuous reality with or without Barack Obama.

[Spunky]

"So what was Obama's name at birth"

Back then (I think) it was still the case in 1961 children born out of wedlock were given the mothers maiden name.

[edge919]

Edith would be a natural-born citizen by the Supreme Court’s definition and Obama ... still not.

[Nero Germanicus]

My guess is that CNN was referring to what it says on every Hawaii short form COLB: “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.”
There are states whose short forms don’t meet the federal guidelines for issuance of a passport. Hawaii’s short form is not one of those states.
As for the skin color of babies at birth, I have no idea. I don’t know how old he was in that earliest baby picture that has been released.
http://www.theblogmocracy.com/wp-content/uploads/Obama-Baby.jpg
Here’s that bizarre photo of the English “twins” at birth where one was white and the other black:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.parentdish.co.uk/media/2010/09/black-and-white-twins-newborn-crop.jpg

[Brown Deer]

Edith Coats was born in Hawaii with a U.S. citizen father and Australian mother...

Her mother, Maria Margaret Kumar was born on August 16, 1927 in Austria, not Australia, and died on September 26, 1974 in Virginia. Her father, George William Coats was born on December 22, 1918 in Walnut Ridge, Arkansas and died on July 27, 1989 in Virginia. His parents were Edith Ollie Napier and John William Coats, from Missouri and Illinois.

[butterdezillion]

So Stig Waidelich could prove that a birth happened.

What does that have to do with Obama? Especially given that Obama had to forge both his short-form and his long-form and now Onaka has revealed why: because the HI record is non-valid. Obama’s Hawaii record is NOT prima facia evidence - of anything.

[butterdezillion]

Did you ever notice that the Coats BC doesn’t have handwritten codes on it? AT least not that I can see...

[Nero Germanicus]

I look forward to the day when Sheriff Arpaio and Mike Zullo hand over their evidence of forgery to a prosecutor so that allegations of forgery can move to a criminal investigation and indictment for forgery.

[SvenMagnussen]

Natural born citizenship status is not held in perpetuity when there is a potential expatriating act with intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship.

For example, Vance v. Terrazas; U.S. Supreme Court 444 U.S. 252 (1980)

Facts

Laurence Terrazas was born in Maryland to a Mexican citizen father and a U.S. citizen mother. While a student in Mexico, he applied for and received a Certificate of Mexican nationality. To obtain this certificate, he had to swear an oath of obedience and submission to the Mexican Republic, and expressly renounce his U.S. citizenship to Mexican authorities.

In discussions with an officer of the U.S. Consulate in Monterrey, Terrazas admitted he renounced his U.S. citizenship to Mexican authorities, but did so under duress. He repeatedly stated and the State Department acknowledged he never intended to forfeit his U.S. citizenship.

Regardless, the Department of State issued a Certificate of Loss of Nationality. Terrazas filed a civil suit in U.S. District Court against the SoS Vance for a Declaration of his U.S. citizenship. The trial court found that the government had proved by a preponderance of the evidence that Terrazas had voluntarily relinquished his US citizenship.

The court of appeals reversed, holding that under Afroyim v. Rusk, 387 U.S. 253 (1967), that Congress had no power to legislate the evidentiary standard and that the Constitution required clear and convincing evidence.

In 1980, SCOTUS ruled that a person’s intent to give up citizenship could be established through a standard of preponderance of evidence (i.e., more likely than not) — rejecting an argument that intent to relinquish citizenship could only be found on the basis of clear, convincing and unequivocal evidence.

A 5-to-4 majority of the Supreme Court held the government must prove “the voluntary commission of an act, such as swearing allegiance to a foreign nation, that ‘is so inherently inconsistent with the continued retention of American citizenship that Congress may accord to it its natural consequences, i. e., loss of nationality.’”

Congress amended the Immigration and Nationality Act in 1986 to specify, as required by Vance v. Terrazas, that a potentially expatriating act may result in loss of U.S. citizenship only if it was performed with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality by a preponderance of the evidence and not a beyond a reasonable doubt standard.

[Brown Deer]

and did you ever notice, how nice everything lines up on her BC? and how consistent the fonts are?

[Brown Deer]

and notice that the 50 year old seal shows up?

[edge919]

My guess is that CNN was referring to what it says on every Hawaii short form COLB: “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.”

That doesn't address the point I brought up at all. Obama has had scores of opportunties to use any of his alleged COLBs or LFBCs in a court of law, yet he refuses. The question is how solid investigators don't act surprised or intrigued by this fact, but they can go track down somebody's mother who unsupported memories.

As for the skin color of babies at birth, I have no idea.

You don't to have an idea. We had an eyewitness describe baby Obama as new and PINK.

The baby in your first picture is probably at least 2 months old if not a couple of months older. This about the time when babies can lay on their tummy and lift their heads. As for the twins, it's irrelevant since we have a description of a new and PINK baby Obama.

[butterdezillion]

Speaking of twins, strange that Monica didn’t notice that the Nordyke girls were white...

[thecodont]

Thanks for the ping!

[thecodont]

Interesting theory.

[Brown Deer]

“Monika told CNN that she remembers visiting the nursery after Stig’s birth and seeing a lot of Asian babies, one white baby which was her son, and one black baby.”

Her memory reminds me of the baby sitter in Seattle...

[Nero Germanicus]

“So Stig Waidelich could prove that a birth happened.”

I think Stig was a bit too young at the time to prove that a birth happened. But in his case, his mother, Monica Danielsson can prove that a birth happened and the attending physician’s signature on a copy of a Certificate of Live Birth along with the seal and signature of the Registrar are accepted in courts of law as proof that a birth happened.

[Mears]

bfl

[morphing libertarian]

1 o/o. Czars and cabinet members