Is It A Sin To Vote For Mitt Romney?

Well first off if you're not a Christian don't bother reading any further. This does not apply to you and your comments/scoffs) are not solicited. Leave now.

For those of you who are saved by the blood of The Lamb and are disciples of The Lord Jesus Christ I would ask you to consider the following:

Here in the USA when we run afoul of the law we are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

Romans 3:23 "for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". (emphasis mine)

ALL have sinned. Not some, not my neighbor, but ME and YOU. ALL. We are guilty, you and I.

In the criminal justice system of the United States the punishment has to fit the crime. In many countries around the world today Sharia Law requires that a thief's hand be cut off if caught for stealing. This seems harsh and brutal compared to the offense. We have the death penalty here in the USA but you have to do something really bad to be sentenced to die.

In Gods criminal justice system we are all guilty and sentenced to death. Done deal. It has already happened whether you know it or not:

So we all have sinned and the wage of that sin is death. Does the penalty fit the crime? Is this fair and just?

24 but let him who boasts boast about this: that he understands and knows me, that I am the LORD, who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in these I delight," declares the LORD.

So under Gods criminal justice system one can incur the death penalty for lying? That is just? The punishment fits the crime?

Yes. First of all, I, for one, have committed WAY more than just tell a fib. After all, sin is breaking one of the Ten Commandments. I am a serial offender. I am a sinner. No two ways around it. When it comes to keeping Gods commands I am a complete failure. I am bankrupt.

Understand that Gods Holiness is so great and awesome and unfathomable that it cannot be defiled by our sin and justice DEMANDS that sin be cast out of Gods presence.

The best we can come up with, our very best efforts we can muster when we try as hard as we possibly can, God refers to these as "filthy rags",

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;

The literal translation of "filthy rags" is even worse than it sounds. Try "menstruous rags" on for size. Ok, some of you are trying them on for size in real life, you know what I'm talking about. Gross.

Our best works are disgusting to God. More of Gods so called justice? Yes, when you understand His holy nature, yes indeed.

Interesting thing about Gods Justice system; He is quite reasonable in that He sets a certain price for our penalty and accepts that price from whoever can afford it.

That price is our very life, but if someone could afford to pay it off for us God would accept it.

It is such a high price that I could not afford to pay for my kids penalty because I am in debt for my own sin, but what if someone came along who could afford to pay my dept? Someone who had not incurred their own death penalty. Someone who was sinless and loved me enough to pay for my sin with their innocent life? God would and does accept that payment.

16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

11And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.

Jesus, I accept you as my Savior and my Lord. Thank you for loving me and for paying my way. I am in your debt forever.

Here in the US someone can be convicted of murder without ever having actually killed anyone, but because they were "in on it" they are guilty of conspiracy to commit murder.

In order to be guilty of conspiracy to commit murder a prosecutor must prove 3 elements to gain a conviction.

1.) The defendant intended to agree and did agree with someone to commit murder;

2.) At the time of the agreement, the defendant and [one or more of] the other alleged member[s] of the conspiracy intended that one or more of them would commit murder;

3.) (The/One of the) defendant[s] of coparticipant[s] or (both/ all) of them] committed [at least one of] the overt act[s] alleged to accomplish the murder;

Examples of this crime would be hiring a hitman. The person paying for the murder is just as guilty as the hitman.

Charles Manson claims he never killed anyone but he has been in prison for nearly 40 years for conspiracy.

Abortion is a perfectly legal murder in mans criminal justice system, but I submit that in Gods criminal justice system it is a sin of the most heinous sort, one that brutally ends the life of our most vulnerable and innocent members to the tune of a staggering 54 MILLION VICTIMS in the US alone, and counting.

Those directly responsible are quite obvious, but what of the coparticipants? Those that have conspired against these 54 million vulnerable innocent crime victims? It takes a massively wide conspiracy of unbelievable proportions to accomplish a crime of this unfathomable magnitude.

I submit that all those who keep this sin legal are just as guilty as those who are direct participants.

Abortion is a main plank of the Democratic platform. When you vote for a party you are putting your seal of approval on that platform. You are agreeing and supporting their goals when you cast your vote for their party.

You cannot say you disagree with their main plank yet support that main plank with your vote. This is contradictory. They are not hiding this plank so your vote is cast with open eyes knowing this.

We as human beings are amazing in our ability to justify our actions and if we are creative enough we can justify anything, including conspiring to murder 54 million vulnerable and innocent lives.

The excuses come fast and easy but there is no excuse for sin. None. We must take responsibility for our own sins and yes, I am absolutely saying that voting for a party that openly supports sin is enabling that sin and participating in that sin and sinning right along with that sin.

The creative justification part of us will immediately start pointing fingers at all sorts of things trying to muddy the waters, but what can possibly top 54 MILLION SENSELESS MURDERS OF THE VULNERABLE AND INNOCENT!!?? NOTHING!!

Not war, not compassion for the poor, not social policy, not fiscal policy. Nothing. This slaughter on our own soil makes the Holocaust look like childs play in comparison.

So in sheer body count alone there is no more important thing we should be voting for above this.

Mitt Romney, despite his shallow words to the contrary, has a clear record of supporting abortion (not to mention homosexuality, forced health care, global warming, anti gun legislation, liberal judges, etc etc) and as such I believe I would become a co-participant in conspiracy to commit murder if I were to support him with my vote to lead our country.

I also believe what is a sin for one man may not be a sin for another based on my understanding of this passage:

23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.

This passage explains that if you think it is a sin then for you it is indeed a sin whether is really is a sin or not, and for others of stronger faith it is not a sin.

As I explained in my now long winded article I believe voting for someone pro choice is a sin for me, I would then ask this:

Don't equivocate that the survival of our country depends on Mitt winning because Obama is the boogieman.

If you are a Christian and believe otherwise, how did you come to your conclusion based on scripture and reason?

It’s your soul, you will live forever. Choose where you
want to go.

It is a grave mortal sin to vote for any person in office
who legislates abortion.

BHO and Romney are pro-aborts, maximum pro-aborts. Evil Obama shows the world by his vote he is another Herod.

Please God not man.

We either have a DNC sleeper rising up to commit blasphemy (sounds like a leftist strategy to call voting against Barry a sin), or someone who has invested a lot of time and money in preparing for the collapse of the Republic and longs for the chaos to apply its preparations. Either way it’s a shameful thread and not at all Christian, though it does fit the mold of the ‘Westboro Church’ dupes.

Damn. Dragging up Hitler and somebody's grandmother to defend voting for Romney. I think I've seen it all. You top those folks who claim that Romney pushing cheap abortions and Romneycare was too long ago to matter.

Get over yourself. The Hitler example was a classic morality hypothetical. We were discussing sin here, not elections. In fact, depending on your motives, it would not be a sin to vote for Obama either. I know plenty of good people who will do so because they are ignorant, not because they are bad people.

Is it a sin for you to use deodorant or toothpaste???

Some things don’t require the over exertion expended here.

Give unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar’s give unto God that which is God’s.

So by not voting for Obama, Romney gets 1/2 of a vote and by not voting for Romney, Obama gets 1/2 of a vote. In other words, neither of them gets an advantage. Funny how that works. I guess common sense just trumped all this advanced mathematics of how a non-vote for Romney is somehow a vote for Obama.

This is covered in like the first class of Statistics 101. I guess the three of you missed that class, so let me simplify it for you. Imagine a electorate of nine people: The four of us and five random voters. I hold my nose and vote for Obama. You three principled fellows exercise your right to abstain. By doing so, you have lowered the number of votes Obama needs to win from five to two. Had each of you voted Romney, Obama would have needed five for five of the random votes. The same math applies to voting for a noncompetitive third party candidate. Either way you help Obama by lowering the total number of votes he needs to win. So you can look at it any way you like, but you're still helping Obama.

And, yes, I am positive that Romney is going to suck as president. I am equally positive that Obama will be worse.

This exact scenario was what compelled Churchill to say that politics is the worst form of government devised by man, except for all the others.

Get over yourself. The Hitler example was a classic morality hypothetical. We were discussing sin here, not elections.

Discuss hypotheticals all you want, but I'm discussing Romney's actual record, and it is one of supporting abortion, and that is a sin. His decision to become "pro-life" is nothing more than political expediency, a lie if you will.

“I really do not know what is confusing”

Yes, it is obvious you don’t get what this is about. First, it is not about name-calling. That only entrenches people deeper in whatever position they hold. Is that your objective? When is the last time you actually won someone to your way of thinking by calling them names?

As for the Constitution, study it a little more before commenting on it. I hate to see people embarrass themselves. It’s like that friend with toilet paper hanging off the back of their pants. How do you tell them? Well, if they are really your friend, you tell them.

So I’m telling you. The Constitution forbids the federal government from imposing a religious test to keep someone off the ballot, or from otherwise participating in the political process. But that same Constitution also allows for freedom of speech, including free political expression in the form of voting for whoever you for whatever reason you care to give, whether it be religious or secular, reasonable or fanciful. Your vote, your free expression. You are not the federal government. As a private citizen, you are fully Constitutionally protected in your right to decide against voting for a leftist Mormon who sincerely believes he will be worshipped as a god one day. Or you can think the issue is nonsense and vote for him because he’s not the other guy. God bless our crazy freedom. But do try and lose that toilet paper tail. It may be your right to wear it, but it’s not very becoming. Just sayin’ ...

And no Presidio, all bets aren’t off until a life is lived. Jesus said who ever believes on me HAS everlasting life. And it’s not everlasting if you can lose it. Scripture says we have been perfected for ever. It also says “Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.”

That's a nice idea Danny, but unfortunately we continue to have free will (and the mortal temptataions that come with it) even after we accept Christ into our lives.

Discuss hypotheticals all you want, but I'm discussing Romney's actual record, and it is one of supporting abortion, and that is a sin. His decision to become "pro-life" is nothing more than political expediency, a lie if you will.

I can't see into the man's heart, but my take on it is that he leans pro-life, but showed pro-choice for political expediency.

That being said, a president's ability to affect the abortion question lies in judicial appointments. Our options are a man who promises to continue to appoint pro-abortion justices, or a man who says he won't but can't be trusted. If we are analyzing the decision on the basis of sin alone, the choice is clear as far as I am concerned.

I have told you this before, but I will remind you that I weigh the abortion issue over all other issues combined in an election. I would vote for a down the line liberal who was otherwise pro-life over a hard-core conservative who was pro-choice.

"That's a nice idea Danny, but unfortunately we continue to have free will (and the mortal temptataions that come with it) even after we accept Christ into our lives."

It's not just a nice idea, it's an idea that based in scripture. Yes we continue to have free will. And since we've been bought and paid for with a price, God can open a can of chastisement if He so chooses and if we warrant. God didn't make "everlasting" life dependent on our free will. Otherwise it wouldn't be "everlasting" life. It'd be, until you screw up again, life.

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

A servant gets fired. An adopted child, doesn't get unadopted.

But if you want to put your faith in your own works and your own ability to be good instead of in Jesus, good luck with that.

Killing Hitler, not a sin.

Lying to grandma, probably not a sin, maybe a little one, you’d need to know more about the whole situation.

Now, if grandpa cheated on her in a one night stand 50 years earlier, and gandpa’s dead now and grandma’s a Republican candidate for president, the first woman to run for that job well then it’s definitely front page news at the WaPo.

And, better NOT to tell grandma beforehand, so’s we can get her true reaction.

“I’ve never had more loathing for a politician than Obama. He must go or we’re finished.”

The worst, and most dangerous thing about Obama is how the press covers for him.

I mean, did Hitler get press like Obama? Did Stalin get press like Obama? Does Chavez get press like Obama?

That man could roast and eat puppies in the Rose Garden and nobody in the MSM would care. As someone here said when I used this scenario before, we’d probably hear how it’s multi-culti good and nutritious.

We have to vote, in November, for the candidate with the best chance to beat Obama.

Or don’t vote for that person, if that’s how your conscious guides you.

Nobody HAS to vote to get rid of Obama, but I will.

And if that’s a sin I’ll take my lumps. I’m pretty sure voting for Romney (or the many other Rinos and dopes I’ve voted for over the years) won’t be the big mark against me when Jesus calls my name.

Not to bash him, but Ronald Reagan signed the law legalizing abortion in California. Sure, he regretted it later, but he signed it.

Now, maybe his signature was irrelevant, maybe had he vetoed it the veto would have been over ridden in the legislature.

But he signed it, and that made evil legal, if not good.

“So according to your interpretation of that scripture then the guy who turned on the gas and killed a room full Jews is not only- not guilty of anything, but is in fact committing a holy act by obeying Authority.”

I was quoting out of the book of Romans, its not an “interpretation”. Nice strawman though.

Is it a sin to smoke a siggie or pick your nose or scratch your balls in public? Is it a sin to help your neighbor when you know your neighbor is gay? Is it a sin to speed on the highway, to flash your brights at the car in front of you because they won't get out of your way, pissing you off? Is it a sin to be wrapped up in the needs and desires of the flesh? Maybe we're all sinners in need of a Savior, but once saved do we still sin?

Whatever is not of faith is sin... do we have faith at all times, those who believe?

I’m not sure who you’re replying to. The vanity post doesn’t mention Mormonism. Neither did Mikey_1962.

The thread was discussing abortion among other sins. And whether the admonition that if your conscience tells you something is wrong, then it’s a sin for you even though other believers have the freedom to do the same thing. That’s only referring to things that are not specifically forbidden in Scripture.

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