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The Rebirth of Birthers?
American Thinker ^
| April 6, 2012
| William Sullivan
Posted on 04/06/2012 1:43:13 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome
Two years, three months, and seven days after his inauguration, Barack Obama finally offered evidence to prove his eligibility for the presidency. On the White House website, officials posted an electronic document purported to be a scan of Barack Obama's long-form birth certificate. It was a grand "I told you so" moment for the media and the left, which had worked feverishly to marginalize "birthers" as the radical counterpart of the zany "truther."
Of course, there was never really any parity. Truthers constructed silly conspiracy theories about George W. Bush being an international super-criminal that orchestrated impossibly complex measures to frame al-Qaeda on 9/11. Birthers, on the other hand, merely demanded that the president, who is required by the Constitution to be a natural born American citizen, show proof of his eligibility. And in reality, that is an entirely reasonable expectation, albeit unprecedented.
Nonetheless, birthers were marginalized as fringe elements, and since the release of the electronic scan of the birth certificate, the concerns of birthers have become even more ignored in the public discourse. As an example of the how the media now views the birther movement, consider that the Huffington Post describes it as a "controversy that has been widely debunked but which remains alive in the eyes of some conservatives."
New evidence, however, has reignited conservative interest in Obama's birth certificate. Conservative icon Sherriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona, at the behest of a petition presented by the Surprise, Arizona Tea Party organization, organized a "cold case posse" and completed a six-month examination of the released birth certificate in order to determine its authenticity. The results are in, Joe says, and they point to the document being a fake.
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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: certificategate; corruption; crazypeople; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamalies; sheriffjoe; tyranny
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To: Travis McGee
I wonder if this online image would be sufficient to obtain a passport?
Gangsta Govment, yo.
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posted on
04/06/2012 6:50:06 AM PDT
by
Flotsam_Jetsome
(If not you, who? If not now, when?)
To: Flotsam_Jetsome
This author is so tepid. Still vaguely worried about being called a birther but finally acquiesces to being called one at the end of the article.
We are WAY past that point. Crimes have been committed and it is ALMOST impossible that Obama is not involved
Some people are still dancing around some stupid label that they are afraid of.
I’m also a bit tired of the “wet blanket” or “Eeyore” posters. Eeyore is generally characterized as a pessimistic, gloomy, and depressed.
This is supposed to be an activist site and Eeyorss don’t win wars.
Sheriff Joe is the law and has taken the lead. Support him.
(Flotsam_Jetsome this post is not directed at you)
To: Flotsam_Jetsome
From my Senator:
January 15, 2009
Dear _____:
Thank you for contacting me about President-Elect Barack Obama's citizenship. I appreciate knowing of your concerns.
The Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution states that "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside." Hawaii became a territory of the United States in 1898 and was officially admitted as a State in 1959.
It is my understanding that President-Elect Obama has released an official copy of his birth certificate. Since he was born in 1961 in Hawaii, he is eligible under the Constitution to run for and hold the office of President of the United States. In addition, President-Elect Obama's birth records have been certified and validated by the Hawaii Department of Health as well as by experts from the University of Pennsylvania. The U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear the case and agreed with the lower courts' rulings that the plaintiffs lacked standing to bring the legal challenges questioning President-Elect Obama's citizenship
Again, thank you for contacting me. Should you have any additional questions or comments, please do not hesitate to let me know.
Sincerely,
United States Senator
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posted on
04/06/2012 7:19:19 AM PDT
by
GBA
(America has been infected. Be the cure!)
To: Flotsam_Jetsome
What ever else is eventually found... posting the obvious forgery was a fraud, and a crime. Obama should be removed from office and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
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posted on
04/06/2012 5:14:40 PM PDT
by
fireman15
(Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
To: sueQ
"Just watched the entire Corsi presentation to Tea Parties in New Jersey over at WND. Appeared to be a packed house. It was fantastic!" I just finally finished watching the Corsi presentation also. Great stuff. You don't get a feel for how many people were in attendance until about the 1:43:00 minute mark, when the camera shot pulls back to show more of the room.
For those who haven't seen it yet, it can be found here.
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posted on
04/06/2012 6:27:16 PM PDT
by
Flotsam_Jetsome
(If not you, who? If not now, when?)
To: Flotsam_Jetsome
Weird I did a search for the exact title and it did not come up.
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posted on
04/06/2012 9:20:14 PM PDT
by
Lucky9teen
(Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
To: sten
Petitioner a citizen of the United States and a Registered Write-In Candidate for President of the United States filed on January 3, 2012, both as ex relator the United States and individually, a quo warranto suit against Barack Hussein Obama, II, challenging his Article II, §1 eligibility to hold the office of President in so much as his Father was not
a United States Citizen. The District Court to date has refused to rule upon that Petition.
http://www.montgomeryblairsibley.com/library/SCOTUSPetition.pdf
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posted on
04/06/2012 9:24:45 PM PDT
by
Lucky9teen
(Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
To: Flotsam_Jetsome
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posted on
04/06/2012 9:49:50 PM PDT
by
TEXOKIE
To: Flotsam_Jetsome
" I've always been one of those who likes to preface sentences withBut in light of this new evidence, I certainly feel that there is a warrant for investigation to satisfy the birthers' concern, with Obama innocent until proven guilty, of course.
And if that makes me a birther, then so be it. "
Well ... I couldn't have said it better myself.
Obama's record is hard to find.
Think about
this.
"On August 4, 1961 Obama's mother, father and grandmother were attending a Muslim festival in Mombasa , Kenya .
Mother had been refused entry to airplanes due to her nine month pregnancy. It was a hot August day at the festival so the Obama?s went to the beach to cool off. While swimming in the ocean his mother experienced labor pains so was rushed to the Coast Provincial
General Hospital, Mombasa, Kenya where Obama was born a few hours later at 7:21 pm on August 4, 1961(what a sad day for the USA!). Four days later his mother flew to Hawaii and registered his birth in Honolulu as a certificate of live birth which omitted the place and hospital of birth."
Here's
something to ponder.
I think it more likely that the trip from Kenya actually occurred in August 1961, shortly after BHO-II's birth at the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa. Ann and her newborn son flew from Nairobi to London, via BOAC Flight BA162 and then took the non-stop BOAC flight from London to Vancouver, Canada. She then traveled the 110 miles or so, across the border, to Seattle in time to start Fall Semester, night-school extension classes at the University of Washington.
The trip would be challenging for a new mother, but she was young, healthy, intelligent, and capable. BOAC was very accomodating to mothers with young children back in the 1960s. No real problem!
From the Airline Timetable Images - List of Complete Timetables, the cost of BOAC from April 24,1960 until October 1, 1962 was:
From Vancouver to Nairobi cost in Canadian Dollars: Single Return
DL 1115.00 2026.80
F 1055.50 1918.80
T 764.00 1396.00
Y 701.00 1282.60
Passanger Fares could be "FLY NOW AND PAY LATER".
Arrangements could be made whereby residents of certain areas may, on payment of a 10% deposit, travel immediately and pay the balance of fare in monthly instalments.
If you're wondering about where the money came from, think about this.
Look at all the financial supporters Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. had."In 1959, Obama Sr. received a scholarship in economics through a program organized by nationalist leader Tom Mboya.
The program offered Western educational opportunities to outstanding Kenyan students.[22][23][24]
Initial financial supporters of the program included Harry Belafonte, Sidney Poitier, Jackie Robinson, and Elizabeth Mooney Kirk,
a literacy advocate who provided most of the financial support for Obama Sr.'s early years in the United States, according to the Tom Mboya archives at Stanford University.
Funds provided the following year by John F. Kennedy's family paid off old debts of the project and subsidized student stipends,
thereby indirectly benefiting Obama Sr. and other members of the 1959 group of scholarship holders.
Yes, it's quite clear that money wasn't a problem for the Marxists Revolutionaries.
Passanger Information for that time frame can be found here.
Connections from Nairobi - Lusaka - Salisbury can be found here.
The BOAC World Routes Map is found here.
Departure arrival times from Britian to Nairobi are found here.
Departure arrival times for London and Vancouver are found here.
Now think about those facts,and statements.
The forgeries I'm aware of, are the three Birth Cretificate Barack Hussein Obama II has forged.
I don't trust evidence put forth by Obama supporters.
The disappearance of too much evidence on Obama is strong enough for me to know that he was born in Kenya.
8 Congressional attempts from June 2004 to February 2008 to alter Article II Section 1 Clause 5 of the US Constitution, proves to me that the DNC knew that Obama was born in Kenya.
Read it for yourself.
Then look at these links.
1. June 11, 2003, Rep. Snyder, Vic (D) 108th congress, H.J.Res. 59
2. Sep 3, 2003, Rep. Conyers, John Jr., (D) H.J.Res. 67
3. Feb 25, 2005, Sen. Nickles, Don (R-OK) Senate Bill 2128, counter the democrats Natural Born Citizen Act - but Defines it wrong
4. Sep 15, 2004, Rep Dana Rohrabacher (D)(R-CA46) H.J.Res 104
5. Jan 4, 2005, Rep Conyers, John Jr., H.J.Res. 2 109th Congress
6. Feb 1, 2005, Rep Rohrabacher, Dana (D) (CA-46) H.J.Res.15
7. April 14, 2005, Rep. Snyder, Vic (D) (AR-2) H.J.Res. 42
8. Feb 28, 2008, Senator McCaskill, Claire (D) Attachment to a military bill Senate Bill 2678 Titled Children of Military Families Natural Born Citizen Act.
DNC Presidential Candidate Senator Clinton and Senator Obama were cosponsors of this bill.
9. April 10, 2008, Sen McCaskill, Claire (D) (MO) Senate Res.511 passed declaring Senator John McCain a Natural Born Citizen.
But it was never in question. It was cosponsored by DNC Presidential Candidate Senator Clinton and Senator Obama.
Just before the 2008 election
Barack Obama's election team spent $1.4 million blocking access to all of Obama's records.
Barack Hussein Obama II is UNCONSTITUTIONALLY QUALIFIED.
There were
8 attempts by Democrats to try to "Change the Qualification Rules" BEFORE Obama was elected.
They KNOW Obama's ILLEGAL ... AND .... UNQUALIFIED! Read
INS DOC FOUND: U.S. CERTIFICATE ISSUED TO ONE EAST AFRICAN-BORN CHILD OF U.S. CITIZEN IN 1961!
IMPLICATIVE DISCOVERY: A government document found buried in the online reference section of a Boston Public Library archive bolsters a growing mountain of evidentiary data against Barack Obamas constitutional eligibility to be president. The document indicates that a consular officer issued a single certificate of statutory citizenship, within the time frame including August 4, 1961, to a child born to a U.S. citizen between July 1st and December 31st, 1961 in the Kenyan region of Africa. The record also reveals that the certificate was the only one issued for this specific type of arrival in the U.S. over a span of more than 18 months, among thousands from other parts of the world.
NEW YORK, NY A recently discovered rare immigration record found by researchers working on behalf of an ongoing investigation into the Constitutional eligibility of Barack Obama to hold the office of the U.S. presidency reveals that an American consular officer issued a single Certificate of Citizenship to only one passenger arriving in the U.S. from the Kenyan region of Africa between July and December of 1961.
The record shows demographic and status classifications for a passenger who was explicitly recorded at the INS Arrival Inspection Station as an individual being born to a U.S. citizen parent arriving from the Kenyan region of Africa between July 1st and December 31st, 1961.
This information and the dates of its documentation are disturbing given the rare nature of the issuance of certificates of citizenship for children who acquire their citizenship by birth to incoming U.S. citizens in this particular region of Africa.
These dates not only align with the alleged date of Obamas birth on August 4, 1961, but also with evidence indicating that Ann Dunham departed from Hawaii beginning in February, 1961, shortly after her undocumented marriage to Obama Sr.
Also supported by this data is the implication of an African trip by the absence of Dunhams passport information which is known to have existed from the 1960s which was used in at least one occasion for her departure with Obama Jr. to Indonesia where the two lived with Lolo Soetoro, Dunhams second husband. If Dunham had filed for a renewal of an old passport, rather than for a new passport in the mid 1960s for the Indonesian trip, which would have been the common practice for the life of a passport, this would have been indicated on the missing application which would have been included with the series of documents released by an FOIA request in early 2010.
The Immigration and Naturalization Service published its annual Report of the Immigration and Naturalization Service in 1963, for the year of July 1st, 1961 ending on June 30th, 1962. According to information on page 99 of the report the only certificate of acquired citizenry issued based on the grounds of birth to a U.S. citizen abroad was coincidentally also issued in the same time frame during which Barack Obamas alleged birth date occurred on August 4th, 1961.
http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962unit#page/99/mode/1up
According to the INS, Certificates of Citizenship are issued upon arrival in the U.S. to those who have acquired statutory citizenship (not natural-born citizenship) by birth to at least one U.S. citizen parent within the previous year while that parent(s) was temporarily in another country. COC are notifications provided by the American Consulate Service, via the INS, to individuals born to at least one U.S. citizen abroad in order to provide interim citizen alien status while immigration status is processed and secured. COC are not issued to natural-born citizens or children born to non-U.S. citizen parents arriving in the U.S., nor are COC received through the same process as required for naturalized citizenship, according to the INS.
http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962unit#page/14/mode/1up
A COAC is issued to an arriving child from abroad who is: - born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one parent with alien non-citizen status, or
- born in the U.S. to two alien parents who both naturalize after the childs birth, or
- born abroad to a U.S. citizen who did not live in (or come to) the United States for a period of time prior to the childs birth, or
- adopted and is permanently residing in the United States and can become a U.S. citizen by action of law on the date on which all of the following requirements have been met:
- The child was lawfully admitted for permanent residence; and
- Either parent was a United States citizen by birth or naturalization; and
- The child was still under 18 years of age; and
- The child was not married; and
- The child was the parents legitimate child or was legitimated by the parent before the childs 16th birthday (Stepchildren or children born out of wedlock who were not legitimated before their 16th birthday do not derive United States citizenship through their parents.)
; and
- If adopted, the child met the requirements of section 101(b)(1)(E) or (F) and has had a full and final adoption; and
- The child was residing in the United States in the legal custody of the U.S. citizen parent (this includes joint custody)
As previously reported by Dr. Jerome Corsi of WND and other sources, the void of documented and testimonial evidence accounting for Ann Dunhams presence in Hawaii between February and early August of 1961 implies that she had reasons to travel to Kenya shortly after her undocumented marriage to Obamas alleged father in February of 1961. According to the widely accepted but highly suspicious uncorroborated account of events, Dunham would have been at least three months pregnant at the time of the marriage. The only evidence accounting for Dunhams presence after August 1961 is a transcript of registration to attend fall extension classes at the University of Washington, in Seattle, beginning in late August, 1961.
The previous years INS report shows that no other Certificates of Derived Citizenry by birth were issued to anyone arriving from the Kenyan region of Africa between July 1st, 1960 and June 30th, 1961. During this time, the INS recorded 282 alien arrivals from Kenya by air, and three U.S. citizens.
The arrival of these Kenyan aliens is corroborated by the African American Students Foundation Report of Activities 1959-1961 which documents the arrival of the same number of students in the U.S. on September 7, 1960 from Nairobi, Kenya via the second sortie of the Airlift America Project, a project initiated in April 1959 by the AASF and former Kenyan Prime Minister, Tom Mboya, to bring African students from Nairobi to study in the U.S.
Of the 2397 arrivals from Africa who were originally classified by the INS as Aliens between July 1, 1961 and June 30, 1962, only one was from Kenya. INS procedures dictate that arrivals under the age of 18 not possessing a U.S. passport are issued alien status until the alleged parents of the child are officially issued a Certificate of Citizenry. The Certificate of Citizenry can then be used in conjunction with state birth registration procedures to acquire a birth certificate for the child.
A COC is also considered a primary form of identification by the State of Hawaii in 1961 to prove a foreign born infants residency in the U.S. prompting the issuance of a standard Certificate of Live Birth under Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17 which would then allocate the location of the birth to the mothers residence.
Corroborating data from passenger arrivals of flights entering the U.S. between July 1st, 1961 and June 30th, 1962 indicates this one individual may have been originally classified as an alien upon arrival prior to application for derivative citizenship. The INS report shows there was only one individual who was originally classified by the INS as an alien arriving by air from Kenya. This individual was possibly inspected by INS officers in Hawaii upon arrival at the INS station located within Honolulu International Airport sometime in early August of 1961.
Unfortunately, the report does not give data supporting that this individual was accompanied by a U.S. citizen parent. This may be explained by the disparity of time between being classified as an alien in the interim until a COAC was granted and the collection of data for this reports date of publication.
According to the INS report data, a voluntary birth to a U.S. resident in Africa in 1961, away from the quality of care offered at U.S. hospitals was extremely rare with only eight such cases in more than two years. The rarity of this event would leave an easily referenced recording of the birth abroad. Hawaiian law also specifies that documentation used to issue birth certificates by the Hawaiian Health Department includes certificates of citizenship issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Service upon arrival of children born to U.S. citizens abroad.
In summary as stated by WhiskeyX The revelation is the effort to hide and destroy any and all documents which could evidence the citizenship of Barack Hussein Obama has not been entirely successful in regards to suppressing links to an apparent birthplace in Kenya. Jerome Corsi and his team of investigators were arrested and confined to their hotel by Obamas cousin and the Kenyan government when they attempted to research the existence of a Kenyan birth certificate and give a press conference about their findings. They and othe rinvestigators reported finding evidence of a Kenyan birth certificate having likely been removed from the Kenyan birth records.
Likewise with the U.S. Passport records of Stanly Ann Dunham which are reported to have been destroyed, the trail of evidence has been stonewalled. The Immigration and Naturalization Service forms used by U.S. Customs for arriving passengers on microfilm at the National Archives is missing the one week of records for August 1961 in which it is suspected Stanly Ann Dunham returned to the United States with the newborn child. This is the only week of 1961 in which such records are missing, according to the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department and its Cold case Posse.
The INS record discovered in the out of the way library implies the effort of the Obama Administration and associates to scrub any evidence from government and other records has failed to be complete and effective in all respects.
Although the INS record does not name Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama, the probability that there could have been another U.S. citizen mother giving birth to her child in that region including Kenya in the month of August 1961 and seeking the assistance of a U.S. Consular officer to obtain a certificate of citizenship are vanishingly small. Such an event in 1961 is virtually unique. Therefore it appears this piece of evidence can be fairly regarded as a preponderance of evidence providing reasonable cause for a legal investigation of a foreign birthplace for Barack Hussein Obama. Rather than preclude the likelihood of Obamas birth in Kenya, this piece of evidence strongly suggests the possibility or even a probability of Obamas birth in Kenya despite all of the previous doubts of its even remote possibility. In other words, this evidence is a potential game changer in the investigation of Obamas native origin/s and citizenship.
Ponder that!
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posted on
04/06/2012 10:08:22 PM PDT
by
Yosemitest
(It's simple, fight or die!)
To: Lucky9teen
"Weird I did a search for the exact title and it did not come up." Computers do weird stuff all the time. I'm gratified that someone else thought the piece worth posting also.
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posted on
04/07/2012 1:26:53 AM PDT
by
Flotsam_Jetsome
(If not you, who? If not now, when?)
To: Yosemitest
". . . And if that makes me a birther, then so be it." I think that this is why especially since Sheriff Joe's CCP released their initial findings and people (like me) have been telling their friends, neighbors and people they meet about it, that it's gaining momentum. It's not crazy or unreasonable to want to know with clarity just what this guy's story really is.
"Ponder that!"
Thanks for putting that information up again. As far as "food for thought" goes, that's a veritable feast! The fact that Congress waded into the NBC issue so many times in such a short period of time is highly suspect to say the least.
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posted on
04/07/2012 1:32:38 AM PDT
by
Flotsam_Jetsome
(If not you, who? If not now, when?)
To: Flotsam_Jetsome
Thank you for the recognition.
All of that information has been linked, and is the work of others.
But I put the links together, keep them on a notepad, and post them when I want people to have a quick reference to them.
I just hope they use these facts, and pass them along to others.
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posted on
04/07/2012 2:17:53 AM PDT
by
Yosemitest
(It's simple, fight or die!)
To: Yosemitest
You deserve a huge amount of respect for collating such a treasure trove all in one piece. BTW, I went back and read
this post of yours. You're right, it was a very lengthy read along with the article that was the subject of that thread in the first place. I read it all.
We're in very deep doo doo.
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posted on
04/07/2012 3:18:43 AM PDT
by
Flotsam_Jetsome
(If not you, who? If not now, when?)
To: Yosemitest
One last observation before I stop over-pinging to my own thread: The sample Certificate of Citizenship would appear to be half typed, half handwritten, would it not?
Just sayin'.
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posted on
04/07/2012 3:56:31 AM PDT
by
Flotsam_Jetsome
(If not you, who? If not now, when?)
To: Flotsam_Jetsome
Thank you again. I don't know if you're religious or not, but this has all been foretold.
Just click on these pamphlets.
and
And, if you want to read a book, check out
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posted on
04/07/2012 4:08:22 AM PDT
by
Yosemitest
(It's simple, fight or die!)
To: Flotsam_Jetsome
I think so. I tried to enlarge it in my post, to better read it, but it still came out fuzzy.
Looking at
my post #20, the form looks like it's printed long-hand to look nice, and filled in hand writing on the blank lines.
By the way, ask school kids today, if they'[re learning how to read and write in long hand.
Very few are, and that's another way liberals are stealing their ability to read our history, as most of it is NOT typed or printed.
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posted on
04/07/2012 4:15:20 AM PDT
by
Yosemitest
(It's simple, fight or die!)
To: GBA
that letter means jack and shows the senator to lack a basic understanding of Article 2 section 1.
being born on US soil grants US citizenship. this is not in question. to be eligible to hold the office of President, one must also be a NATURAL BORN citizen. this would be someone who was a US citizen naturally, as there is no alternative... meaning, BOTH parents were US citizens at the time of birth.
if this was not the case, then any anchor baby could be President with two foreign national parents. obviously, this goes against the plainly worded Article 2 section 1.
ask your senator (please tell us which one) whether or not he understands such a simplistic definition. if he does not, then he is unfit to uphold the oath he took upon taking office.
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posted on
04/07/2012 9:13:17 PM PDT
by
sten
(fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
To: sten
That was from Senator Richard Burr, way back when the party was just getting started.
I guess that was more or less the official response to people questioning obama's eligibility. I heard people in other states received a similar form letter.
I was hoping for a better, maybe more Constitutional response from the republicans, but instead it was a 'the fix is in' moment for me.
Just wonder what 'the fix' is...shouldn't have to wait much longer to find out.
From one frog to another, does the water seem hot to you?
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posted on
04/07/2012 10:41:46 PM PDT
by
GBA
(America has been infected. Be the cure!)
To: GBA
A little more thought on
"Progressive" RINO Senator Richard Burr's Jan 15, 2009 statement from
here.
Richard Burr: It is my understanding that President-Elect Obama has released an official copy of his birth certificate. Since he was born in 1961 in Hawaii, he is eligible under the Constitution to run for and hold the office of President of the United States. In addition, President-elect Obamas birth records have been certified and validated by the Hawaii Department of Health as well as by experts from the University of Pennsylvania.
Editorial comment: A Certification of Live Birth is NOT an original birth certificate. No one from the the University of Pennsylvania has ever certified and validated Obamas original birth certificate or any birth record from the Hawaiian Dept of Health.
So you wonder what the
"fix" was.
Senator Richard Burr (NC) was named Chief Deputy Whip of the Senate Republican Conference on Wednesday, January 14, 2009.
Remember that at that time the Senate was in a Democrat majority, hence the Democrats chose who sat on the Committee Seats.
Then look at all the
2009 federal stimulus funding earmarked for NC the bought RINO Senator Richard Burr's support to cover up Obama's Kenyian Birth.
Here's some more old information.
Consider these witnesses:
Let's examine how Hawaii legally can issue bcs for those born out of stateand then hide this factby issuing a certificate stating BORN IN HAWAII OAHU HONOLULU"
I refer you to Birth Certificate Vs. Certification Of Live Birth.
We just did a story bringing to light how
To say that we started a firestorm would be putting it mildly.
We had our fair share of rational responses,
as well as the usual off-topic comments, accusations of being right-wing nuts, etc.
As well as a few that were too obscene to put into print.
It turns out that our theorythat the document presented by Obama appears to be homemade has some support,
Our friend Pamela at Atlas Shrugs also presents a compelling case
And for you Obamanites
Pay close attention to the following Hawaiian legal statute:
“[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child,
the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health
that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii
had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health
in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate.
The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91
that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates
and to require any further information or proof of events
necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91.
Everybody get that?
As long as an adult can walk into Hawaii’s version of the Department of Records
and provide proof that they (the parents) are a legal resident of Hawaii,
the document is issued.
The child, on the other hand, could have been born in Hawaii, KENYA, or a back-alley in Budapest.
How much more proof do you disciples of the Messiah need before you will admit that there are legitimate reasons to demand answers on this issue?
Of course the fact that Obama may have been elected to our nation’s highest office in direct violation of the United States Constitutionis NOT something that would greatly trouble a dedicated Kool-Aid drinker.
But you STILL WON'T ACCEPT THE TRUTH that Barack Hussein Obama II ...is ... THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF!!!
Here is some more information and links
and all of this without using the link to "the source of the "moderator-offending-video" by a group called The Council of Conservative Citizens.
This is NOT a Conservative group, do not be fooled by the name.
This group is a front group for a neo-Nazi group known as the National Alliance and is associated with Stormfront.
(But I don't see how those groups are MORE OFFENSIVE THAN the Marxists and Fascists in the White House.)
I have several witnesses, that have proven to me that Barack Hussein Obama II was born in Kenya.
First witness, Barack Hussein Obama II himself:
Hmm…An AP story from 2004 entitled Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate has been discovered on archive.org by many sites (and twitter where I got this). Does this mean now that the AP is nothing but a bunch of birthers?
Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations. ...
The above artice is also found at FreedomsPhoenix.com.
They have a great spoof Birth Certificate you just gotta' see.
Also view the video at Proof Obama Admits He Was Born In Kenya.
Second witnesses, his mother and father, indirectly through their divorce papers.Ed Hale, aprivate investigator in Hawaii, has uncovered the divorce decree for Barack Obamas father and mother, which indicates they had one child under the age of eighteen, born in Kenya.
But a later Update 1/1/2009,... "In his 7:45pm Plains Radio broadcast, this last night, Ed Hale backed down from his prior assertion of having gained even uncertain information about the Barack Sr. / Stanley Ann divorce decree containing language referring to Barack Jr. as being born in Kenya. Instead, Hale referred to an apparently tricky recollection... of an ... referring to such a document's generally referring to the place of birth of the children of the divorced parents."
I believe that "indeterminate person" probably SAW the Obama Dunham Divorce Documents BEFORE Page 11 disappeared and viewed the Kenyan Birth Cerfiticate,
thereby telling Ed Hale "the divorce decree for Barack Obamas father and mother, indicates they had 'one child under the age of eighteen, born in Kenya.' ".
The Obama Dunham Divorce Documents are viewable at this location.
There's a great assumption of the time lime at at link.
See the whole Obama 1964 divorce on Scribd.com or as 13 individual images below (in proper order):
I immediately called the clerk in Hawaii and asked where the extra page was. She looked, and counted, and said that there must be some mistake in the records she counted only 13 pages that are available for reprint. I pointed out to her that the page count she sent skipped from page 10 to page 12 page 11 was missing. To that, she suggested that perhaps the pages were simply misnumbered before they where archived into the microfiche.
I accepted her answer, not thinking much about it at the time. Perhaps it was just a clerical error in the 1960s, when hand-filed paper records and IBM punch cards were how court documents were tracked and maintained.
I have since come to learn that Obama and his team of lawyers have been working to sanitize his records since he announced that he’d run for President circa November 2004. Now in the White House, hes still ACTIVELY blocking subpoenas for such documents as his Cambridge and Occidental College records TODAY the same type of documents promised to be made available during his campaign. Obama and his lawyers are exceedingly adept at exploiting loopholes in Hawaiian birth certificate law to keep Obamas past hidden from the American people.
This missing page page 11 very likely is a copy of the original birth certificate, based upon the prima facie timeline of the 1964 divorce. The Kenya birth certificate was likely requested on Jan 23, 1964 by either Judge King (to award custody on the next trial date), or recommended to Ann Dunham by her attorney for the ex parte divorce, where only one parent was expected to be present.
The missing page, 11, should be chronologically-numbered as all other pages were in the original docket file, by the court clerk at the time. Starting at page 8, Exhibit A is placed where it would have occurred by date in the paperwork (and appeared on microfiche), even denoting an erased, yet barely-readable “8″ on both pages of the returned notification sent to Obama SR. The missing page, numbered as page 11, would likely be a page that would have been admitted to the divorce file sometime in mid- to late-February 1964 almost as if it were an undocumented Exhibit B.
Heres a very plausible timeline merging the 1964 Obama Divorce papers and new Kenya birth certificate:
Jan 20 (Mon) divorce request is filed by Stanley Ann D. Obama
Jan 23 (Thur) divorce orders for trial are given by Judge King at chambers
(note if the judge, or Ann Dunhams attorney, told her to order the Kenya birth certificate, it would have been mailed 10,000 miles away, to the Coast Province Registrars office of the Republic of Kenya, likely arriving around the first week of February 1964 to be processed)
Jan 28 (Tue) Gail A. Watanabe, presumably an assistant of Ann Obama attorney George Kerr, mails the notification for trial to Obama SR (her affidavit is signed Feb 3 and filed)
Jan 30 (Thur) via Air Mail, notification of trial arrives at Obama SRs Cambridge, Mass, address. The 10-day “knock and nail” notification would have expired on Sun, Feb 9. Therefore, the next trial date would have been automatically set, per Judge Kings instructions, for the first Tuesday, 30 days later, on March 3
Feb 10 (Mon) allowing for a 10-day knock and nail notification for trial, Obama SR’s trial notification would have been retrieved by the US Post Office on this date, to be mailed back (as events turned out UNSIGNED by Obama SR) to Hawaii as an exhibit for trial
Feb 17 (Mon) the Obama Kenya birth certificate is signed by the Coast Province Deputy Registrar, to be mailed back to Hawaii for receipt by Ann Obama and/or her attorney (note: mail time would have ranged from a few days (Air Mail) to a couple of weeks (ship), arriving back in Hawaii in the last week of February to first week of March 3 (Tue). Based upon Judge Kings Jan 23 orders for the next trial date, “at 9:30 a.m. on the first Tuesday after thirty (30) days have elapsed from and after the date” that Obama SR would have been served with the notice of trial. That notification came back, unsigned, by Obama SR, so Anns attorneys surely requested, and received Default Judgment for the divorce in her favor for grievous mental suffering
Mar 5 (Thur) trial takes place in favor of divorce in Hawaii, placing custody of Obama JR to his mother by default (note: the trial was likely rescheduled 2 days after the automatically set date of Mar 3, possibly for the convenience of the judge and/or parties)
Mar 20 (Fri) the divorce decree is signed by Judge King
In Hawaii, birth certificates are not Public Record. If the Kenya birth certificate was a part of the divorce decree, it may have been pulled out at the end of the trial, or more recently by a watchful archivist or attorneys wishing to remove unfavorable information about Obama.
To date, despite other honest attempts to refute the Kenya birth certificate, such as dealing with when the Republic of Kenya came into existence as a republic have been un-bunked. Dishonest alterations of the Kenya birth certificate have been maliciously created by sites such as Democratic Underground, designed to discredit the Kenya birth certificate theyve been un-bunked as well.
Having not actually seeing the Kenya birth certificate, and its chain of evidence, no intellectually-honest person can say if its real or not. By the same token, none of us have seen or touched the short-form Certification of Live Birth that has appeared on Obamas Fight the Smears or FactCheck.org websites.
No one can confirm the chain of evidence of Obamas Certification of Live Birth that has appeared online, which is the abbreviated-version of Obamas true, 1961, original long-form(s) Certificate of Live Birth and associated vital statistics records. Even the Hawaii Department of Health directly refuses to verify Obamas online COLBs.
Third witness, is Barack Hussein Obama II's grandmother,Sarah Hussein Obama:
View the video Barack Obama - Born in Kenya II at Youtube.com.
Did Obama's grandmother say he was born in Kenya?The Oct. 16, 2008, telephone interview was conducted by American Christian minister Ron McRae, who describes himself in his affidavit as an overseer of the Anabaptist Churches in North America and a "Presiding Elder on the African Presbytery."
McRae, who called from Detroit, says Sarah Obama was in a public setting with several hundred people listening to the telephone call on a speakerphone. The interpreter was Vitalis Akech Ogombe, the community chairman of Sarah Obama's village of Nyang'oma Kogelo in Western Kenya, 30 miles west of the Lake Victoria-city of Kisumu.
"In the ensuing public conversation, I asked Ms. Obama specifically, 'Were you present when your grandson was born in Kenya?'"
McRae testified in his sworn statement. "This was asked to her in translation twice, and both times she replied, "Yes! Yes she was! She was present when Obama was born."
Watch and LISTEN to the video BARACK OBAMA - BORN IN KENYA - The Documentary - STUNNING!
and prove it to yourself.
Also watch Affidavit and Tape-Proof Obama Born in Kenya.
The fourth witness, Tim Adams,"Barack Obama was definitely not born in Hawaii as the White House maintains, and that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama does not even exist in the Aloha State."
(It is now confirmed by Hawaii that Tim Adams did indeed work as a senior elections clerk in 2008)
Election official: I'd testify Obama not born in Hawaii
"The things I've said, I don't mind testifying in court," Tim Adams, the senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in the 2008 campaign, told WND in an exclusive interview.
"I was working there, and this is what it was. I'm not a lawyer, just a civil servant. I know what I know. I know what I was told by the hospitals and by my supervisors."
"There is no birth certificate," he said. "It's like an open secret. There isn't one. Everyone in the government there knows this."
"I had direct access to the Social Security database, the national crime computer, state driver's license information, international passport information, basically just about anything you can imagine to get someone's identity," Adams explained. "I could look up what bank your home mortgage was in. I was informed by my boss that we did not have a birth record [for Obama]."
At the time, there were conflicting reports that Obama had been born at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, as well as the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children across town. So Adams says his office checked with both facilities.
"They told us, 'We don't have a birth certificate for him,'" he said. "They told my supervisor, either by phone or by e-mail, neither one has a document that a doctor signed off on saying they were present at this man's birth."
To date, no Hawaiian hospital has provided documented confirmation Obama was born at its facility.
Adams, 45, stressed, "In my professional opinion, he definitely was not born in Hawaii. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that he was not born in Hawaii because there is no legal record of him being born there. If someone called and asked about it, I could not tell them that person was born in the state."
WND confirmed with Hawaiian officials that Adams was indeed working in their election offices during the last presidential election.
"His title was senior elections clerk in 2008," said Glen Takahashi, elections administrator for the city and county of Honolulu.
Adams oversaw a group of 50 to 60 employees and was responsible for verifying the identity of voters, especially absentee voters.
"If you're working in the civil service and you say this, you're done," Adams said. "Don't expect to have a good career, especially since the governor is on the other side. Embarassing them is not good for your career."
The Fifth witness, Michelle Obama.
The Sixth Witness, Kenyan Ambassador Peter Ogego:
The Seventh Witness, James Orengo (the Kenyan Parliament Minister of Lands): The Eighth Witness, Lucas Daniel Smith, has been banned from Free Republic, so I cut him out, but you can do a search and find what he has.
And finally, an outstanding video to watch,
Case CLOSED!!!
Now ... think about it.
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posted on
04/08/2012 12:19:21 AM PDT
by
Yosemitest
(It's simple, fight or die!)
To: Yosemitest
"Ed Hale, aprivate investigator in Hawaii, has uncovered the divorce decree for Barack Obamas father and mother, which indicates they had one child under the age of eighteen, born in Kenya."Ed Hale is not a private investigator. At the time he was a cattle rancher in Texas. Ed Hale HIRED a private investigator in Hawaii who was paid by the plains radio listeners. IIRC, The investigator was to make three copies. One copy was to be sent to Ed Hale, the other two to the two people who donated the most for the investigator. Either the investigator was to make three copies, or Ed was to make copies and send them to the top donators so they could view the documents before they became public.
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