Can we please keep comments about the Mormon faith off the political discussion threads?

one man's opinion...

[ken5050]

As we enter the GOP primary season, I'm starting to notice more and more an annoying trend here in FR. It seems as though everytime there's an article, or someone posts a comment about Romney, either pro or con, it nearly always devolves into an extended, and acrimonious discussion about the Mormon faith. Those who defend it, and those who, for whatever reasons, can't abide it, both sides seem determined to wage an "end of times" batte on all the FR threads. Frankly, I'm tired of it, and just wish it would stop. I think that probably 99% of others here feel the same way.

[Elsie]

In my Presbyterian church, we grew up being taught that Mormonism was a form of Christianity; not necessarily “Christian,” per se.

Pancreatic cancer is a FORM of human tissure as well.

I guess that kinda explains MORMONism.

Or ZOMBIES!!

[Elsie]

Mormons do tithe.

They BETTER! If they want to be EXALTED!!

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Temple Recommend Questions

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1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

       Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
       Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Temple Recommend Questions

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1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

       Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
       Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

 

 

 

[Jim Robinson]

I have no idea what you’re trying to do, but if you’re trying to tell me how to run my own website, you’re setting yourself up for a fall. And if you have any inkling whatsoever of campaigning for or supporting Romney on this site, forget about it. I’d shut it down before allowing support for that abortionist/gay rights pushing, big government bastard on this pro-life, pro-family, pro-liberty conservative site!

[ken5050]

Well, that post pretty much reveals everything...not much point in talking to you any more...you’re mind’s closed and made up...

[Elsie]

Why do you feel threated by the LDS?

Why do YOU 'feel' that WE feel threatened?

[Elsie]

And I will give this place not one penny until the bashing stops.

ANOTHER freeploader!

[Elsie]

Elsie, if you can show where a "past leader" of the LDS church said that God raped Mary, I'll leave FR never to return.

If YOU can 'show' where I used the word RAPED, I'll join Camping's group!

[ken5050]

Just the opposite..I've said repeatedly that you have every right to do anything you wish with FR..it's your sandbox. I've also stated repeatedly that I'm not a Romney supporter, but that his faith was NOT the reason why I'm opposed to him..what initiated this thread was that it seems that 99% of the opposition to Romney on FR was because of his faith. I think that's bad for FR..that's all I was trying to get across...

[Elsie]

No, I have read a lot of anti's claiming that was said, but they always had dirty minds, and were seeing what was not in the quotes they claimed to get it from.

What is your church doing to help the male to stay true?

 

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"All of this should be conveyed without having priesthood leaders focus upon intimate matters which are a part of husband and wife relationships. Skillful interviewing and counseling can occur without discussion of clinical details by placing firm responsibility on individual members of the Church to put their lives in order before exercising the privilege of entering a house of the Lord. The First Presidency has interpreted oral sex as constituting an unnatural, impure, or unholy practice. If a person is engaged in a practice which troubles him enough to ask about it, he should discontinue it."
- Official Declaration of the First Presidency of the Church, January 5th, 1982

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"Prophets anciently and today condemn masturbation. It induces feelings of guilt and shame. It is detrimental to spirituality. It indicates slavery to the flesh, not that mastery of it and the growth toward godhood which is the object of our mortal life. Our modern prophet has indicated that no young man should be called on a mission who is not free from this practice. What is more, it too often leads to grievous sin, even to that sin against nature, homosexuality. For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual masturbation-practiced with another person of the same sex and thence into total homosexuality...."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Pages 77-79, 81-82

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"Among the most common sexual sins our young people commit are necking and petting. Not only do these improper relations often lead to fornication, [unwed] pregnancy, and abortions - all ugly sins - but in and of themselves they are pernicious evils, and it is often difficult for youth to distinguish where one ends and another begins. They awaken lust and stir evil thoughts and sex desires. They are but parts of the whole family of related sins and indiscretions. Almost like twins, 'petting' and fornication are alike."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 65

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"Also far-reaching is the effect of the loss of chastity. Once given or taken or stolen it can never be regained. Even in a forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. If she has not cooperated and contributed to the foul deed, she is of course in a more favorable position. There is no condemnation where there is no voluntary participation. It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 196

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"And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth." (Genesis 4:9-14.) That was true of murder. It is also true of illicit sex, which, of course, includes all petting, fornication, adultery, homosexual acts, and all other perversions. The Lord may say to offenders, as He did to Cain, "What hast thou done?" The children thus conceived make damning charges against you; the companions who have been frustrated and violated condemn you; the body that has been defiled cries out against you; the spirit which has been dwarfed convicts you. You will have difficulty throughout the ages in totally forgiving yourself."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965. Often-used quote still used today in LDS seminary classes.

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"I do not find in the Bible the modern terms "petting" nor "homosexuality," yet I found numerous scriptures which forbade such acts under by whatever names they might be called. I could not find the term "homosexuality," but I did find numerous places where the Lord condemned such a practice with such vigor that even the death penalty was assessed."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965

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"If adultery or fornication justified the death penalty in the old days, and still in Christ's day, is the sin any less today because the laws of the land do not assess the death penalty for it? Is the act less grievous? There must be a washing, a purging, a changing of attitudes, a correcting of appraisals, a strengthening toward self-mastery. There must be many prayers, and volumes of tears. There must be an inner conviction giving to the sin its full diabolical weight. There must be increased devotion and much thought and study. And this takes energy and time and often is accompanied with sore embarrassment, heavy deprivations and deep trials, even if indeed one is not excommunicated from the Church, losing all spiritual blessings."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Page 155

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"How like the mistletoe is immorality. The killer plant starts with a sticky sweet berry. Little indiscretions are the berries -- indiscretions like sex thoughts sex discussions, passionate kissing, pornography. The leaves and little twigs are masturbation and necking and such, growing with every exercise. The full-grown plant is petting and sex looseness. It confounds, frustrates, and destroys like the parasite if it is not cut out and destroyed, for, in time it robs the tree, bleeds its life, and leaves it barren and dry; and, strangely enough, the parasite dies with its host."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, General Conference Address, April 1, 1967.

[Elsie]

Nana, I'd love to go down your list and debunk it point by point, but since you have driven away all the lurkers with disgusting accusations, there is no point.

DU; you'll need a LOT more straws than that to grasp; if you are going to stay afloat.

[Elsie]

Nana, I'd love to go down your list and debunk it point by point, but since you have driven away all the lurkers with disgusting accusations, there is no point.

PD; just give them the List-o-Links® and claim ALL the answers are in them.

[donozark]

In the end, McCain thumped Romney. He has no chance this time around either. I mean, c'mon! McCain? The wheel is still spinning, but the hamster is gone.

Romney care PRE-ceded Obi-care. Demwits will crush Republicans with this fact IF Romney gets the nod. He won't. Romney is just another millionaire trying to be something he never will be. Ditto for The Donald.

Thanks for the math lesson. But Charlie Rangel wearing a Martin Chain in Harlem would do like wise with "his" voters.

[Elsie]

...just give them the List-o-Links® and claim ALL the answers are in them.

(It keeps one from making up silly excuses for non-performance.)

[BooBoo1000]

Let us just drop it. O.K.??

[Colofornian]

(Real quick on what "seems" to be...keep in mind how little a piece of the total advertising pie any given corporation has...when you figure in all the sheer # of networks...including satellite/cable...and yet it "seems" they are on nearly every program! See what I mean :) )

I suspect that the 2012 race will be much more of a referewndum on Obama,

Grass roots, yes.

You haven't let the MSM lull you to sleep have you? Yes, many of their print outlets are literally dying. But they'll find a way to not only "hang on" thru 2012, but hold their own personal MSM Obama revival. (Oops...slipped in to a "religious" analogy...sorry :) )

The MSM's guns a blazing will be sure to raise the race issue.

...which is why the Dems are trying early as possible to "force" the GOP to pick the nominee, so they have plenty of time to destroy him/her.

Agreed.

The economy, fuel prices, jobs, and of course, what's going on in the world will be the BIG issues.

Not saying they won't be.

But don't neglect the possibility of the Dem decision-makers manipulating economics via Obamanomics in the Summer of 2012 into the Fall...at least trying to put a small dent in things...giving a pretense of a false econo-resurrection...oops, yet another religious word...I'm just a "bad boy" to the hermetically sealed crowd...

Anyway, I can foresee a manipulated false, temporary rise economically in 2012 -- in part fueled by a big sudden drop in oil/fuel -- all coincidentally coming pre-election & during the election.

[Elsie]

So, confer amongst yourselves and tell me just what the "Christian" position is on how Mary became pregnant with Jesus, and was still a virgin.

Go run in your own rabbit hole; MORMON!

We are not wasting OUR time on YOUR silly requests.

[Jim Robinson]

Speaking of redemption and murder, I’ve yet to see Romney fall down on his knees before God and country to beg for forgiveness for all the innocent babies he allowed to be murdered during his “pro-choice” watch as co-governor (along with Ted Kennedy) of Massachusetts. And now, again thanks to Romney’s pushing it as a “Republican” on Massachusetts, we have his national socialist health care system complete with tax payer funded abortion. Romney is a complete ass!! (said without hate, just descriptive) (and being a man with no fifty cent word vocabulary, I choose to use short descriptive two bit words to make my meaning perfectly clear to the asses among us).

[Elsie]

Remember, we need detailed biological explanations here not just "the holy Ghost did it".

Then explain how Jesus' DNA worked out (A male with only female parent)

Then explain how Jesus is biologically both God and Man.

Then explain how every miracle worked by Jesus was done.

WE are the apostates, the Abominable Sons of Perdition.

WE belong the the WRONG church; while YOURS is the Most Correct One.

YOU have the onus of having to show that YOUR organization can live up to it's self-puffery.

[Elsie]

Like it or not, our Constitution protects their right to believe as they wish, and to express that belief publicly.

And so can we.

[Elsie]

And I would vote for one of those Mormons over a liberal opponent without blinking an eye.

And so would a lot of us.

BUT; so far; all the BIG players, that ARE Mormon, seem to be of the LIBERAL type.