Posted on 04/27/2011 8:26:51 AM PDT by patriotgal1787
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So, Donald Trump is the new Ross Perot.
What we saw this morning is The Donald being played by the White House as the spoiler -- or the third candidate who will hand the election back to Obama in '12.
Look, first of all, it has never been about the birth certificate. Let me repeat that for those of you who are just catching up: It's NEVER been about the birth certificate. Even though the media and Trump have stayed focused on that, it's nothing more than a sideshow. A diversion from the real issue.
It is about the constitution, and the fact that under the Constitution, Obama is not a natural born citizen. He cannot be, because his father was Kenyan and a British subject.
So now that Obama has shown us "the birth certificate" we can go back to doing the work of the American people? Where have I heard that before?
This is a hoax, folks. A cruel hoax, and there's not a soul in Washington DC who will uphold their sworn duty to protect and defend the Constitution. Members of Congress were briefed about the matter in early 2009 when the Congressional Research Service issued a 14-page memo about Obama's eligibility question. What the memo told them was that the vetting process was the responsibility of the states and the electors. So what did Congress do?
Congress breathed a collective sigh of relief and went back to their knitting, conveniently ignoring the oath they took to protect and defend the Constitution.
Trump has a HUGE ego. We can all agree on that. Obama knows it too. Just as he played to the egos of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid in pushing through his healthcare legislation, assuring them he would be there to help them shepherd it through (translation: ram it down our throats), he went into hiding, letting them do all the dirty, sweaty, heavy pushing. And it cost them their party and their majority in the House. But Queen Nancy was strutting through the streets cloaked in ermine on the day it was signed.
It's Obama's modus operandi. Seize and capitalize on the weakness of the opposition. Use their egos, play them by appealing to their ego.
Well, Obama got a two-fer today. By producing a birth certificate (legitimate or otherwise), he now can say "let's put it behind us" and move forward to "more important issues".
Obama has also legitimized Trump, making The Donald seem larger than life, powerful enough to force him to "show his birth certificate".
See, the only way Obama knows he can win reelection in '12 is if a third candidate splits the vote. And that's exactly what Trump will do, to the Republicans' detriment. Obama knows it, so he's giving Trump the credibility he needs to propel him forward.
(We're going to get into this issue with Elizabeth Letchworth, our Capitol Hill Insider, on tonight's radio program.)
Check back here during the day as I update this post with further observations. Meanwhile, Devvy Kidd weighs in with hers of this morning's circus act:
If it's real. Born in a hospital that won't confirm the birth. How convenient it pops up now with nothing new on it about his parentage and no doctor listed. This alleged BC was signed off by some flunky on Monday in Hawaii. They must have flown it to the White House in a jet to be released this morning in Washington, DC. It shows his father as Obama, Sr., and provides the proof that he was born with dual citizenship since his father was a Kenyan national under British citizenship at the time of Obama/Soetoro's birth.http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
Recall back in January, former Hawaii elections clerk, Tim Adams, signed a sworn affidavit that there was no long form BC: http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401
"Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams has now signed an affidavit swearing he was told by hissupervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities."
Here is another BC of a woman who had twins the day after Obama/Soeotro; same hospital: http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347
Note the certification at the bottom of hers has the doctor's name - missing from this newly minted one.
Also, the "new" one just released by the White House is the same green paper as the old short form. Mrs. Nordyke's is black background. Guess what? Mine is white with black ink which I obtained 40 years ago for travel purposes.
Jerome Corsi's book comes out in two weeks....we shall see. I'm betting on his impeccable research. For those who might not remember, he wrote the book that "swift boated" John Kerry and destroyed his chances for the White House.
Next will be the forensic folks looking at this suddenly released BC that will make The Donald - what? Oh, so happy because he can move on to more important issues? What a game.
Obama - Maybe a Citizen of the United States but Not a "natural born Citizen" of the United States
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/03/obama-maybe-citizen-of-united-states.html
The Natural Born Citizen Clause of Our U.S. Constitution Requires that Both of the Child’s Parents Be U.S. Citizens At the Time of Birth http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/09/natural-born-citizen-clause-requires.html
Are you up on what the difference between a native born citizen and what the Constitution requires "Natural Born Citizen" whether or not it has been settled yet?
mY MY ....how many Daily Kooks and DU dummies have infiltrated FR today, dotcha think?
I understand that in order for his mother to confer citizenship, she had to be a citizen for 5 years after she turned 14. The COLB shows her to be 18, one year shy.
In any event, I don’t think Obama is a Natural Born Citizen.
Also, there is the issue of his name changes.
and it won’t be settled now. If he was born there, no one is going to look any further since the constitution does not outline what a natural born citizen is.
If this is real, then there are no names suprrises either... which was the only thing I saw as a potential embarassment.
Since the beginning of this issue the real question has been ignored. What is the legal definition of the term ‘natural born citizen’ in the Constitution? Can you have two foreign born parents (but be born in America) and still be President? Or one foreign parent? Or do you need to be born of two American citizen parents as has been the definition for most of country’s history and was so at the time of our Founding.
This question you will notice is never addressed by the MSM at all, nor by even many alternative media outlets as well. The birth certificate issue has been set up as a smoke screen in order to deflect from this, the real question that needs to be answered.
A lawyer in New Jersey has tried to pursue this question legally but of course to no avail. It is an extremely important issue and should not be discarded or ridiculed. Here is his website explaining the issue:
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
We have today a democrat political party that has objectives to maintain open borders and grant amnesty to illegal’s entering this nation. This same political party would also like to eliminate the electoral college in order to have the mass population centers (cities) rule the voting process, and now also we have a movement on the left to do away the ‘natural born citizen’ requirement in the Constitution thus allowing someone with foreign allegiances to become President. This is a prescription for the demise of our nation.
If you care about this nation and the rule of law then I implore you to address the real issue involving Presidential eligibility under the Constitution.
I don't see why the definition of "natural born citizen" matters. He's a "citizen" as defined by the Fourteenth Amendment.
Article II, Section I of the Constitution requires the President to be "a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States".
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
It looks exactly like the Nordyke twins certificates.
Sorry to disappoint you folks, but you’re wasting your time. The citizenship question is not the first in US history.
Subsequent law has dealt with insufficiencies of the constitution on this issue:
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
-Anyone born inside the United States *
-Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
-Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
-Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
-Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
-Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
-Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
-A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
that is not the end of the sentence. Please read further
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
You cut it off.
"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. "
You have to consider the phrase "at the time of the adoption of this constitution". The founding fathers, were all citizens, but they weren't "Natural Born Citizens", so they grandfathered anybody who was a citizen at the time the constitution was adopted. After they died out, only the "Natural Born Citizen" would apply.
You are right but you need to take the comma(,) after United States.
“a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution” is one sentence.
Answer the question.
Far as I’m concern the BC issue is dead. He was born in Hawaii and his commie whore mother was a American citizen. That is more of enough for him to be Natural Born. Time to focus on the real issue folks..
The gap is that it did not specifically define what “natural born citizen” actually is.
Thanks for the clarification.
So, it's not as easy as I thought i.e. merely relying on Article II, Section I.
In that case, I don't see anything (and I believe the idiot was born in Hawaii, mind you) that makes him not a "natural born citizen".
To LearsFool...
Precisely... I like how this “natural born” thread has a few posts and the birth certificate has hundreds.
The SCOTUS is completely aware of this and knows that the 4 conservatives would lose any shred of any semblance of being strict Constitutionalists if they did not offer correct opinions on this. If they did offer correct opinions, the fact that Congress is aware of this eligibility problem will be made public. So I sincerely doubt they will agree to hear this case until long after nobama is out of office.
Congress is completely aware, media heads are completely aware. The “powers that be” are aware. So the nation hangs by a thread while the “natural born” requirement which makes nobama Constitutionally ineligible is - quite amazingly - kept completely out of all mainstream media.
It’s amazing that it already is “out”. Probably 15% of the population is completely aware of the coverup which is taking place in broad daylight.
Your post sums the issue up in very few words which most everyone could understand.
Simply amazing.
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