Posted on 10/04/2010 1:11:50 PM PDT by Amerisrael
"This is weird. Glenn Beck, who became a Mormon a few years back, is now using his program to promote Mormon archaeology. If you click on these links you can view it. He also has a conspiracy theory about how science, government, commerce, and religion, not in the least, the Smithsonian Institute, purposefully altered history. My good friend Kurt Van Gorden sent me the links below, as well as the descriptions of what he is saying in the videos.
In the first video, about half way through, I about fell out of my chair when Beck referenced Adairs History of the American Indians ( imagine! ) as proof of similarity between Native American ceremonies and Israelites. He forgot to mention that it predates the BOM by several decades (It was written arounde 1765!). He then ties the Egyptian pyramid math to the Indian mounds (only FARMS and the Maxwell Institute have ventured in this arena, which instantly identified his sources for me). Then in the second video, he uses the fraudulent Newark Stone and the fraudulent Bat Creek stone Hebrew inscriptions as proof of Hebrew among the Indians."
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Nope it’s not going to end any time soon....svcw...the war is going to get hotter as that day approaches and the enemy will become bolder and bolder....our nations so desensitized pretty much anything goes now as there is little left in the minds and hearts of men to discern. Far too much indoctrination to the other side....but they go willingly unfortunately...
You’re mixing me up with ansell’s question CB. I didn’t ask you any question.
There’s no such thing as a “Jewish Christian”...it’s an oxymoron...magritte
So what about people who call themselves Jewish Christians? Would they in your mind be lying?
Have heard you say that before...but you are mistaken. A Jewish individual never loose their Jewishness when they come to Christ and identify Him as the Messiah they have long sought. Rather those who do this find their Jewishness all the more meaningful and their relationship with the Lord God richer...as it certainly would be.
The only people who generally make your statement are those who do not accept that Christ is the Messiah...and natural to believe so, for only God can remove the blindess they have concerning Christ. But one day all of the Jewish Nation will see Christ for who He is...I look forward to that time...and He will wipe every tear from their eye when they see that He is who He said He is...
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 6:46:26 PM · 654 of 664
caww to CynicalBear
an invitation, never an intervention
Wrong.....it is an invitation but also no doubt for some an intervention...otherwise you cannot justify Pauls conversion on the road to Damascus, which was clearly the Lord intervening from Pauls intentions to destroy believers. Further there are many testimonies throughout history of God intervening in the affairs of men...both for Salvation and otherwise.... He judges.. and not with a soft hand as some might imagine..but his judgments are certainly just and true no matter His approach to each individual concerning their Salvation.
I see what happened. You jumped in the conversation and didn’t get the point of the “an invitation, never an intervention” meaning.
Nope, they are just mistaken and misquided..by the same token, just because Mormons call themselves Christians, I guess that makes them Christians??...magritte
Do actually know what the Torah requirements are for the Jewish Messiah?
I know that the requirements God gave.... Christ fulfilled exactly to the T. I also know the Jews at that time expected a conquering King who would subdue their enemies, which he will indeed show Himself to be at the appointed time...but because He didn’t fit their bill then, many rejected Him. But many also accepted Him as the Messiah and for that His message of Salvation came to us Gentiles as well. Which shows Gods great and loving Mercy for us who are not Jewish. He includes Gentiles now in all the great and prescious promises to Israel...and for that we Gentiles are very much humbled and grateful.
Well then if indeed that is the case you might explain the difference?
Identity of the Messiah
The concept of the messiah seems to have developed in later Judaism. The Torah contains no specific reference to him, though some Jewish scholars have pointed out that it does speak of the "End of Days," which is the time of the messiah.
The Tanakh gives several specifications as to who the messiah will be. He will be a descendent of King David (2 Samuel 7:12-13; Jeremiah 23:5), observant of Jewish law (Isaiah 11:2-5), a righteous judge (Jeremiah 33:15), and a great military leader.
Jews do not believe that the messiah will be divine. A fundamental difference between Judaism and Christianity is the Jewish conviction that God is so essentially different from and beyond humanity that he could never become a human.
Moreover, Jews find no foundation in the scriptures for such a belief about the messiah. Passages viewed by Christians as indicating a divine messiah (such as the suffering servant of Isaiah 53) are viewed by Jews as speaking of the people of Israel. In general, only the following passages are accepted as referring to the messiah:
Isaiah 2, 11, 42; 59:20,p> Jeremiah 23, 30, 33; 48:47; 49:39
Ezekiel 38:16
Hosea 3:4-3:5
Micah 4
Zephaniah 3:9
Zechariah 14:9
Daniel 10:14
I was distinguishing the difference because of the Mormon belief that they are part of the 144,000.
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Yes mormons believe it but it is not true...
Do you think it is true that the mormons have taken the place of the real Jews ???
Your argument that those on this thread who “Intervene” and debunk the falsehoods Mormonism teaches as being wrong and not something Jesus would do does not carry water. Christ did so many times with the religious leaders as I have stated before...and it was certainly Christ's intervention as they attempted to smear His message before those he intended it for.
Not until the power of Satan the father of lies and mormonism is destroyed by God..
>>Do you think it is true that the mormons have taken the place of the real Jews ???<<
Absolutely not. The Bible is clear on that subject. The Jewish people are Gods chosen people. They still have 7 years of His promise to deal with them as the chosen ones. The 7 years of the Tribulation. The 144,000 are 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes.
Then why are you fighting with Christians over the cult mormonism ???
>>I gave Paul as an example where Christ Himself certainly did intervene.<<
I have to confess that Im at a loss on that one. How did Jesus intervene with Paul?
>>it was certainly Christ’s intervention as they attempted to smear His message before those he intended it for.<<
I would not equate giving His message as intervention. Perhaps its our different perspective of what intervention is. I was thinking along the lines of the origin of this thread and our conversation that the way some feel it their calling to inform Mormons that they are wrong and seem to want to eliminate them from participating in the conservative movement.
I believe that it is not our place to convert anyone. We are simply Gods servants of telling people about the free gift of Salvation. Positive approach only. Its the work of the Holy Spirit that draws a person to Him.
>>Then why are you fighting with Christians over the cult mormonism ???<<
Because I dont believe that its wise to eliminate a sector of the conservative movement at this point in American history. We are struggling to keep this country from becoming a socialistic or Islamic country. Beck, in my mind, is doing a great service to our conservative cause and to dismiss his contribution because of his faith at this point is counter productive. Why alienate a portion of our support?
The Torah is very specific on the basic requirements...the most basic is that the Jewish Messiah is a man...not a demi-god, or any version G-d becoming man (”God is not a mortal” (Numbers 23:19)). If you recall, G-d gave us Gentiles our instructions in the time of Noah, so we have long been covered by his love...best to you...magritte
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