Posted on 10/04/2010 1:11:50 PM PDT by Amerisrael
"This is weird. Glenn Beck, who became a Mormon a few years back, is now using his program to promote Mormon archaeology. If you click on these links you can view it. He also has a conspiracy theory about how science, government, commerce, and religion, not in the least, the Smithsonian Institute, purposefully altered history. My good friend Kurt Van Gorden sent me the links below, as well as the descriptions of what he is saying in the videos.
In the first video, about half way through, I about fell out of my chair when Beck referenced Adair’s History of the American Indians ( imagine! ) as proof of similarity between Native American ceremonies and Israelites. He forgot to mention that it predates the BOM by several decades (It was written arounde 1765!). He then ties the Egyptian pyramid math to the Indian mounds (only FARMS and the Maxwell Institute have ventured in this arena, which instantly identified his sources for me). Then in the second video, he uses the fraudulent Newark Stone and the fraudulent Bat Creek stone Hebrew inscriptions as proof of Hebrew among the Indians."
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Thats what many anti-mormisms say....But if you attack everything someone says they believe, you are attacking them whether you want to believe it or not...be sure when speaking of the Mormons, include Reid and Hatch and not just Beck, or your just speaking ill of the person, not his beliefs...I have seen people put words in Beck’s mouth that I never heard him say...That is the sin of calumny...I am sure you know what that means...
I just saw your problem.
You are thinking your own heart gives you the wisdom to determine right and wrong.
When you pray for wisdom, the Holy Spirit gives wisdom to your spirit. Not your heart. Your heart like mine is as Scripture says, deceitfully wicked. We get spiritual wisdom from the Holy Spirit that lives in us and is Our Teacher and source of God’s wisdom, among other things.
Dunno Elsie...I could explain my positions on Jesus and G-d to you ad nauseum using the Torah, refuting pretty much everything you believe in, but nothing I say would ever convince you how wrong you are, would it? Eventually you would tire of me bird-dogging you and you would become non-responsive...same thing with the Mormons, I presume...take care...magritte
You’re the judge of my heart? I have a problem?
No man on earth has the right to judge me.
Courts of the land, yes, if I disobey civil law.
But in religious matters? Not!
My comments here have been solely to defend Beck and the fact that I have never heard him preach Mormonism...in fact, I challenged some to provide links to those who criticize him for such things and they cannot.
This thread was started for no other reason but to bash Beck and I pointed it out in the very beginning. The OP is a troll and accomplished his mission well, as I pointed out a long time ago.
Go back and read it for your self.
And honestly, I believe Glen would not have a problem with that one bit.
Glen’s a big boy and can handle conservatives telling him he’s wrong about this.
If it was any other issue, and Glen was wrong about it, wouldn’t he want to at least hear the reasoning of that side? What if (gasp) Glen WAS WRONG, he’d come right out and say so if he believed he was wrong! That’s the worst thing that could happen! Glen’s said he was wrong about things before. It hasn’t destroyed him. It probably made a lot of people stick with him because the guy sincerely listens when others say “You’re wrong” and will come out and say he’s wrong when he believes he’s wrong.
If people who have wrong ideas never have anyone else tell them “I disagree with you, I think you’re wrong”, how will they ever learn to defend their ideas and how will they ever look at their own wrong views and come to the correct conclusions?
I didn’t judge your heart. I responded to what you wrote. You’re hitting neurotic on this thread.
Stoop to what?
What facts?....Name them....
HA Ha ha!
In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim,
“I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]
It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.
· Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]
· Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.
· Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.
· As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.
· Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]
· Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.
· Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.
· Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.
· Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammed’s son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith’s followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith’s own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.
· Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.
“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4]
Endnotes
[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”
Cool. I always wanted to be neurotic, just to know what it feels like.
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As I told my son when he and his wife decided to leave the catholic church and he said something negative about anothers faith.....don't ever forget you have bothers and sisters in Christ in every denomination..... But it seems that some think only those that believe as they do have the inside track on eternity.....if we agree on the basic's Christ redeemed all and God is just and Jesus opened the door for anyman to walk through, and he forgives sin. That is the good news, not the other stuff..
So yes....unless J. Smith had a true born again experience at the end of his life....he died and went to hell.
That is what I think....and that is what the Bible speaks.
Elsie, Elsie, Elsie...
Stop frothing at the mouth. Islam will prevent you from ever denigrating the LDS Church again. The LDS Church, however, will defend your right to denigrate Islam. Find a balance, Dude.
Wrong I can judge you I can judge you (word and deed) against the Word of God. I can not judge your heart.
I countered with....basically..."prove your statement"
You made the post that there aren't any facts on the WHOLE THREAD...it should be up to you to prove this. Wouldn't you think?
Hey I'm probably wrong...tell me where and how.
OK; I'll be lovingly posting facts from MORMON history as atomement for my sins.
Thanks for posting an example on how Glenn Beck weaves Mormonism into his show
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
We can tell a person not by what comes out of his mouth but by his actions in accordance with the word.
Jesus also said he that does the will of My Father in heaven is my bother and sister...I think that is why he said to some that thought they were doing good by casting out demons in His name, be gone I know you not...they were is some way not doing the fathers will.....hope this is not too confusing, I sometimes find it hard to express myself...
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