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US State Dept Confirms: Obama “NOT” a US Citizen Prior to & in 1968
ConstitutionallySpeaking ^ | 9/24/2010 | ConstitutionallySpeaking

Posted on 09/24/2010 11:31:46 AM PDT by patlin

proof positive that Obama was ”NOT” a US citizen prior to & in 1968...Sept. 24, 2010

Dear Sen. Thune,

As a member of the Armed Forces Committee & member of the sub-committee on Personnel, I am imploring you to please take this seriously & take immediate action...

(Excerpt) Read more at constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com ...


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To: LorenC
illustrate is just how bogus the 'two-citizen-parent' claim about natural born citizenship is.

That is such a blatant lie it's not even worth responding to.

581 posted on 09/28/2010 11:54:36 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Moderates manipulate, extremest use violence, but the goal is the same.)
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To: curiosity
source for the Indonesian schools laws was a Freeper that lived there for quite some time.

In other words, all you've got is the unverifiable word of some anonymous guy on the internet. Typical.

Typical is your response as actual copies of the Indonesian laws at that time have been submitted in courts of law. This is none other than your trying to obfuscate the issue with your delirium brought on by an over abundance of koolaide.

582 posted on 09/28/2010 11:59:55 AM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: curiosity; usmcobra
Hmmm, what does the court docs say?

Soetoro/Obama was registered in a public school as an Indonesian citizen by the name of Barry Soetoro and his father was listed as Lolo Soetoro, M.A. Indonesia did not allow foreign students to attend their public schools in the late 1960’s or 1970’s, and any time a child was registered for a public school, the child’s name and citizenship status were verified through the Indonesian Government. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Chapter 13, Law No. 62 of 1958 (all citizens of Indonesia have a right to education). The Indonesian school record, indicates that Soetoro/Obama’s name is “Barry Soetoro;” his nationality is “Indonesia” and his father “Lolo Soetoro, M.A. There was no way for Soetoro/Obama to have attended school in Jakarta, Indonesia legally unless he was an Indonesian citizen, as Indonesia was under tight rule and was a Police State. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Law No. 62 of 1958. These facts indicate that Obama/Soetoro is an Indonesian citizen, and therefore he is not eligible to be President of the United States.

Under Indonesian law, when a male acknowledges a child as his son, it deems the son, in this case Soetoro/Obama, an Indonesian State citizen. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 62 of 1958 concerning Immigration Affairs and Indonesian Civil Code (Kitab Undang-undang Hukum Perdata) (KUHPer) (Burgerlijk Wetboek voor Indonesie).

Furthermore, under the Indonesian adoption law, once an Indonesian citizen adopts a child, the adoption severs the child’s relationship to the birth parents, and the adopted child is given the same status as a natural child and the child takes the name of his step-father, in this case, Soetoro. See Indonesian Constitution, Article 2.

The Indonesian citizenship law was designed to prevent apatride (stateless) or bipatride (dual) citizenship. Indonesian regulations recognized neither apatride nor bipatride (stateless or dual) citizenship. Since Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship; neither did the United States (since the United States only permitted dual citizenship when ‘both’ countries agree); and since Obama/Soetoro was a “natural” citizen of Indonesia, the United States would not step in or interfere with the laws of Indonesia. Hague Convention of 1930.

Pretty cut & dried to me. But then again, I never drank the Obama or the GOP koolaide for that matter.

583 posted on 09/28/2010 12:17:49 PM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: patlin
delirium brought on by an over abundance of koolaide.

My money is on vodka.

584 posted on 09/28/2010 12:30:52 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Moderates manipulate, extremest use violence, but the goal is the same.)
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To: patlin; curiosity

And I was going try to get curiosity to bet another $100 on this....

Bummer.


585 posted on 09/28/2010 12:48:25 PM PDT by usmcobra (.Islam: providing Live Targets for United States Marines since 1786!)
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To: curiosity; usmcobra
“Constitution of Indonesia of 1945 first: (asnic.utexas.edu) Chapter XIII. Education Article 31″

“1. Every citizen has the right to education.

” “2. The government shall establish and conduct a national educational system which shall be regulated by law.”

Notice, it says every citizen. It does not say every child. Now Obama's Indonesian school record say what?,/p>

ChildÂ’s name is Barry Soetoro

Citizenship status: Indonesian; Father, Lolo Soetoro, M.A.

Asian Law Digests Indonesia Law Digest13.01; Martindale-Hubbell(R) Law Digest –

Asian Law Digests; 1 Indonesia Law Digest; Section 13 Family.

Asian Law Digests INDONESIA LAW DIGEST 9.02. Indonesian citizens are required to complete civil registration, implementation of which includes completing formalities for and obtaining family identity cards and recordation concerning every change which arises.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/24898751/Barry-Soetoro-Indonesia-School-Record3

And for further proof, the Soetoro-Dunham divorce docs clearly states that from the marriage, there are 2 children, one under the age of 18 & one over the age of 18 & still dependent on both parties for education expenses. This further eludes to a conclusion that Obama was using foreign aide for his college tuition.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9940006/Soetoro-Divorce-1980-9-Pages-Merged

586 posted on 09/28/2010 12:53:41 PM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: usmcobra

=( Sorry, just felt the obsfucation had gone on long enough


587 posted on 09/28/2010 12:56:20 PM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: usmcobra; expatguy
Which is not a denial but rather that he does not remember where he said it.... Keep looking.

LOL. Cobra dude, if you want to make a claim about something, the burden is on YOU to find the source. The burden is not on the skeptic.

Until you provide us with an actual citation to source, then any reasonable person will conclude the source does not exist.

BTW, expatguy, did you in fact ever say Indonesia prohibited non-citizens from its schools? You can resolve this dispute once and for all.

588 posted on 09/28/2010 1:00:07 PM PDT by curiosity
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From the original troll brigade:

To: mlo; Non-Sequitur; parsifal; Pilsner; Drew68; curiosity; Sibre Fan; El Sordo; MilspecRob; ...
Ping to an Orly Taitz whack-a-mole thread.

9 posted on Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:48:19 PM by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2427610/posts


589 posted on 09/28/2010 1:08:02 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Moderates manipulate, extremest use violence, but the goal is the same.)
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To: patlin; usmcobra
LOL. Amazing how bad the reading comprehension skills of birthers can be.

All you've shown, guys, is that the Indonesian Constitution only gives citizens a right to education. So a non-citizen does not have a right to go to their public schools. That does not, however, mean non-citizens are (or were, in 1968) prohibited from attending public schools.

So let me renew my challange:

Show me the Indonesian law that prohibits (or prohibited in 1968) non-citizens from attending Indonesian public schools.

I submit to you that you will not find such a law, because it does not exist.

Oh, and FYI, the registration birthers love to cite so much wasn't for a public school, but a private, Catholic school. That means it's not an official document.

590 posted on 09/28/2010 1:08:45 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: patlin; curiosity
"See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Chapter 13, Law No. 62 of 1958 (all citizens of Indonesia have a right to education)"

OK, so Indonesian citizens have a right to education. That's swell. What, however, is the source of the claim that non-citizens were not allowed to attend Indonesian schools?

591 posted on 09/28/2010 1:16:43 PM PDT by LorenC
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To: curiosity
I can say for sure he didn't, though even if he did, it wouldn't be relevant to his eligibility.

That's a lie.

If it was established that Obama did in fact register as a foreign exchange student in college, there would be demands from Congress, the press, and the public for a full fledged investigation into Obama's birth records prove that he was actually natural born citizen. And, no, the Democratic leadership wouldn't be able save him or prevent in investigation under those circumstances. It would be like trying to stop a tsunami.

No statement by any official at the Hawaiian DoH regarding the "vital records" would be accepted at face value. Period. Actual documents would have to be released. They would demand access to the vault copy.

If it had been established that he actually had registered a foreign exchange student in college during the '08 campaign, it would've ended his quest for the oval office.

592 posted on 09/28/2010 1:37:35 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Cyropaedia
If it was established that Obama did in fact register as a foreign exchange student in college, there would be demands from Congress, the press, and the public for a full fledged investigation into Obama's birth records prove that he was actually natural born citizen.

First of all, we know for sure he wasn't a foreign exchange student. Both Occidental and Columbia confirmed he formally matriculated at those colleges. Foreign exchange students do not matriculate, but merely register for classes as visitors. They only come for a year or two, and do not receive degrees from the US institutions they attend. They merely earn credits toward a degree they earn at their university in their home country. At Occidental, we know Obama was working toward an Occidental degree, and we know he received one from Columbia after he transferred.

Second of all, even if he did register as a foreign exchange student (which we know he did not), it wouldn't affect his eligibility to be president. Registration as a foreign student is not an expatriating act, so it would not affect his citizenship status.

If it had been established that he actually had registered a foreign exchange student in college during the '08 campaign, it would've ended his quest for the oval office.

Perhaps, but that train has already left the station.

593 posted on 09/28/2010 1:55:26 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: LorenC
Indonesia was under tight rule and was a Police State at the time. Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Law No. 62 of 1958. Note, it says 1945, but some things have been updated.

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,,LEGISLATION,IDN,4562d8cf2,3ae6b4ec8,0.html

Now, there were other(private international) schools, such as that, that supposedly Ann Dunham was trying to get a job in per her statements in the passport records of Lolo Soetoro, but we do know for a fact that Obama attended Indonesian schools, not private ones that were vedry expensive. Here is a report from 2001. Why anyone in their right mind would take a child to this place during a time of revolution is beyond my comprehension. But then, I was raised as a patriotic American, not a communist sympathizer.

http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/refworld/rwmain?page=country&docid=3e2ebaeb4&skip=0&coi=IDN&querysi=education&searchin=fulltext&display=10&sort=relevance

594 posted on 09/28/2010 2:14:12 PM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: curiosity
Occidental and Columbia confirmed he formally matriculated

where's your proof of that? Did they release documents to you that are not for public viewing? Are you that special?

595 posted on 09/28/2010 2:17:24 PM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: curiosity

As a concerned conservative don’t you want to know the truth about Obama.....

Keep reading.....


596 posted on 09/28/2010 2:37:43 PM PDT by usmcobra (.Islam: providing Live Targets for United States Marines since 1786!)
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To: patlin
Indonesia was under tight rule and was a Police State at the time.

Oookay...but where's your source that non-citizens were prohibited from attending public schools?

Why anyone in their right mind would take a child to this place during a time of revolution is beyond my comprehension.

I take it you haven't looked at Lolo Soetoro's immigration records. He and Ann spent a year or two asking for him to be reclassified a U.S. permanent resident so he wouldn't have to return to Indonesia after his visa expired. The request wasn't granted, Lolo returned to Indonesia in 1966, and after another year when Ann couldn't get US immigration to change its decision, she finally moved to be back together with her husband.

But then, I was raised as a patriotic American, not a communist sympathizer.

That's a good thing, but it appears you also don't have much sympathy for women who prefer not to live in different hemispheres from their husbands.

597 posted on 09/28/2010 2:42:58 PM PDT by LorenC
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To: LorenC
“‘The Indonesian Citizenship Law states that children’s citizenship is derived solely from the citizenship of the father. Children of citizen mothers and foreign fathers are considered foreigners and require visas to remain in the country until the age of 18, at which time they may apply for citizenship. They are prohibited from attending public schools and must attend private, international schools, which usually are more expensive.’”

The information is accredited to the U.S. State Department, however no link is given

598 posted on 09/28/2010 2:49:41 PM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: LorenC

If everything about SAD is so above board, why all the secrecy? Why not be proud of your heritage? Obama sure dfoesn’t seem to be proud of his or his mothers for that matter.


599 posted on 09/28/2010 2:54:35 PM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: patlin
The information is accredited to the U.S. State Department, however no link is given

Of course there's no link to a source. Some birther obviously made it up, as usual.

600 posted on 09/28/2010 3:18:05 PM PDT by curiosity
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