Of course you are absolutely correct, anyone who doesn't
buy into the birther nonsense is certainly an Obama supporter.
Who could deny logic like that?
Posted on 05/11/2010 6:32:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
This is just plain nuts. Lt. Col. Terry Lakin, a highly-decorated Army surgeon, with 18-years of service behind him, is willingly throwing his career and reputation away, because be believes in the birther conspiracy nonsense that President Obama is not a natural born citizen. The Army has instituted court martial proceedings against him for refusing to obey deployment orders to Afghanistan, which Lakin says are illegal orders from an illegal alien. The birther doctor appeared on CNN’s Anderson Cooper’s 360 program Friday evening with his lawyer. And the interview soon turn heated, as Cooper attempted to inject some fact-based reality into the conversation.
Lakin’s lawyer Paul Jensen, obtained by the birther conspiracy groups American Patriot Foundation/Safeguard Our Constitution, continually jumped in to answer Cooper’s questions posed to Lakin. The basis of Jensen’s arguments all center on his rejection of Obama’s Certificate of Live birth issued by the state of Hawaii. He contends it’s not proof of Obama’s birth in the United States, because it’s merely an “abstract” of the original document on file. Lakin through his lawyer, is demanding to see the original document.
Jensen couldn’t explain Obama’s two birth notices in local Hawaii newspapers. And he refuses to accept the determination made by the Republican governor of Hawaii, who examined the original birth certificate on file, declaring it valid.
Despite all of the evidence to the contrary, Jensen falsely declared there was “mounting evidence” that Obama is an illegal alien.
When Cooper asked Lakin if he believes that all members of the military from Hawaii are also illegal aliens and not eligible to serve, he mumbled something about the President being required to be a “natural born citizen”
After Jensen continued to jump in with his birther conspiracy theories, Cooper asked: “Can the colonel not talk for himself? The guy’s an adult.”
Finally, Lakin offered a general response, explaining why he is subjecting himself to a court martial:
“It’s a fundamental of the Constitution, and my oath of office is to the Constitution, and I believe we need truth on this matter.”
The remainder of the interview is being shown tonight. What a truly sad and pathetic spectacle.
(VIDEO AT LINK)
I was replying to patlin, who had made multiple posts to me...about anchor babies, and then complained I had not responded.
Obama’s father wasn’t here as a tourist, or illegally. He was here for years, getting an education IAW US government policies. Obama wasn’t an anchor baby.
“I’m having at laugh at how you’re trying so hard to make Obama be a citizen of the United States as per WKA. “
And yes, if Obama was born in the USA, he is a citizen. There is no debate about that.
Of course you are absolutely correct, anyone who doesn't
buy into the birther nonsense is certainly an Obama supporter.
Who could deny logic like that?
Obama’s father wasn’t here as a permanent resident, which was what allowed WKA to be a citizen of the United States. Visiting college students aren’t here on business. Yes, Obama may have been born a statutory citizen, but this would only be if he can prove he was born in the United States or that he was born out of wedlock. To date, this has never been done.
Why won’t Obama show the vault copy?
It does not exist! There is no vault birth certificate from Hawaii, issued by any hospital, signed by a doctor, witness by anyone. It simply does not exist.
Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya, as his relatives have stated, the Kenyan Government has stated, his own wife has stated that his ‘home country is Kenya, that he is Kenyan.
Barack Hussein Obama is a foreign national, an alien to this country, an undocumented illegal foreigner.
“This is the first time I have said this about you..but...you are an Obamabot.”
I say that the citizenship of Obama’s father does not disqualify Obama as President. If that makes me an Obamabot, then Rush Limbaugh, JD Hayworth, Sarah Palin, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, every state legislature and every member of Congress is an Obamabot.
If I have to choose between agreeing with Rush, Ann, Michelle, and Sarah, or bushpilot1, edge919 & BP2...I’ll go with the former.
I’m to the political right of the vast majority of the country. Arizona is only the third state to pass concealed carry without a permit, which I believe is the birthright of every American.
I believe the US government should cut expenditures by 50% immediately. If that includes my retirement pay, so be it.
I’m opposed to abortion, gay rights, anchor babies, illegal immigration, and ethnic studies - which Arizona just banned as well! I think Arizona’s new immigration law is far to mild, and needs to be more aggressive.
But I also need to be realistic. If I ran for office, I couldn’t get elected in AZ-8 because I’d be seen as a radical, fire-breathing right wing nut.
So if I’m an Obamabot, then at least 98% of the country is as well. All I’ve said is that Obama’s father’s citizenship doesn’t disqualify him from holding office, and I’ve explained why. His parentage wasn’t a secret during the election. Everyone KNEW his father was Kenyan from the time Obama filed to run.
At some point, the rabid birthers need to think about why no one agrees with them.
WKA’s parents were not here permanently either...
<>The courts in Indiana disagree with your legal interpretation.<>
That would be the infamous Indiana Footnote 14 Court you’re referring to, right???
http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/11/13/indiana-appellate-court-reinvents-nbc-definition/
In the opinion of the court, the parents had a permanent domicile and residence in the United States. There’s nothing indicating the same for our visiting college student, Barak Sr.
No, that is the entire decision, backed by the entire decision in WKA. Remember, the dissent in WKA complained the majority was making it possible for someone born of TWO foreign parents to run for President. While not legally binding, that ‘dicta’ has been very influential for 100+ years.
The Indiana Courts ruled IAW WKA, not against it.
Read them for yourself:
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/11120903.ebb.pdf
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0169_0649_ZO.html
I disagree. The LTC should have disobeyed all of his orders, not just this one, if that was the case.
Yes I have good things to say about them, they did their jobs and received their pay, then resigned, retired or did not reenlist.
"The Convention between the United States and China of 1894 provided that
Chinese laborers or Chinese of any other class, either permanently or temporarily residing in the United States, shall have for the protection of their persons and property all rights that are given by the laws of the United States to citizens of the most favored nation, excepting the right to become naturalized citizens."
Kenyan Birth Certificates have vaccanations forms not United States ones.
Barack Hussein Obama discovered his REAL Birth certificate, the one that stated he was born in Kenya. The adoption of Obama.
And your strongest evidence for that is what??? Wong Kim Ark decision about which your beloved Indiana Footnote 14 Court wrote this:
"14 We note the fact that the Court in Wong Kim Ark did not actually pronounce the plaintiff a “natural born Citizen” using the Constitution‟s Article II language is immaterial. For all but forty-four people in our nation‟s history (the forty-four Presidents), the dichotomy between who is a natural born citizen and who is a naturalized citizen under the Fourteenth Amendment is irrelevant. The issue addressed in Wong Kim Ark was whether Mr. Wong Kim Ark was a citizen of the United States on the basis that he was born in the United States. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. at 705, 18 S. Ct. at 478."
The Court lied about what Wong Kim Ark said and then tried to cover it up with a footnote. And this Indiana Footnote 14 Court and the Wong Kim Ark Court are your authorities??? Get real --
Is it possible the LTC came to a realization and could no longer serve?
That tipping point being, for him, a stark reality that he serves an illegitimate Commander
Wrong. They cited the parents condition in the summary of the decision. Part of that was to ensure that the parents weren't diplomats, but the other part was to ensure that they had 'permanent allegiance' (such as suggested by English common law).
"... of parent of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China ..."
Also, you're misunderstanding what you cited. The court didn't cite the Convention because they supported how it was applied to permanent or temporary Chinese residents, because the act as a whole was seen as an overreach of power by Congres:
"The fact, therefore, that acts of Congress or treaties have not permitted Chinese persons born out of this country to become citizens by naturalization, cannot exclude Chinese persons born in this country from the operation of the broad and clear words of the Constitution, 'All persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.'"
The court acknowledged that permanent allegiance was necesary for the parents in order for the child to be 'subject to the United States' under the 14th amendment.
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> Either repent, or knock off pretending you are a Christian. Bwa-ha-ha. Mr Rogers, who died and made you god ... the good Reverend Saul Alinsky? “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”
An overwhelming number of Christians serve in the US military. And as in centuries before & in lands far away when fighting Islamic jihad, today's Christian soldier may have to slay the enemy for God and country ... in stark "violation" of the 5th Commandment: "Thou shalt not kill."
The difference is that since Jan. 20, 2009, today's US fighting man and woman serve
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Your posting methodology is straight out of Rules For Radicals ... your credibility is about as high as a lizards belly, littleman.
Sure, pretty much anything is possible. I still think he should have taken care of the soldiers in the field first. Besides, it’s not a question of whether he can no longer serve, if it was, he could resign his commision, couldn’t he?
the Colonel will just be an asterisk in the history books.
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