Posted on 04/29/2010 4:25:14 AM PDT by RightSideNews
After reading Robert Moon's article in the Conservative Examiner, yesterday and watching the Glenn Beck video you will see how our elected representatives are moving under the cover of smoke and using mirrors to deflect our attention to issues like financial reform. HR 2499, being voted on today, if passed it will force a yes or no vote in Puerto Rico...if passed, the trigger is pulled on the second question....bringing in the "Tennessee Plan" path to statehood. Statehood adds millions of votes, 2 Senators, and more. Its all there.
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“I think that it was Frank Luntz that conducted a poll in PR a few years ago that showed that a majority was conservative on every social issue except for capital punishment.”
That’s what I would like to see. Then I will keep my end of the challenge. — FRegards ....
Good counter point. I wish we could find a military loving state. We have too much in the way of military hating states already.
Wonderful that they are so religious. God bless them. But the sad truth is that Catholicism is based on religious monopoly. Religious monopolies often end up being cynical about politics, such as the leftist run country of Mexico, also Catholic dominant.
Got one here in Idaho. As for PR statehood, last visit,(on the west end), I continually broached the subject (in english with no difficulty) with almost exclusively pro statehood results. Not accurate polling but my impression of responses were friendly, and concerned. The few wanting no change were senior citizens. I have no political facts or past history to quote but personnally, I like PR better than CA where I was raised.
But you can vouche that English is spoken a lot in PR? That’s a good sign.
I’m a bit mystified, actually.
Traditionally the Left in PR has always promoted independence. Its always been a bit of a pose, since even the independentistas don’t want to give up their US citizenship, but thats always been their pose. So to see the mainland Left wheel around and try to drive statehood through catches me a bit off guard. The statehood people have always been people like yourself, who lean Republican. Fortuno is a Republican in addition to being PNP. Its almost like the Left has decided to steal a march on us somehow.
So now, as we react to the Obamists, we are undercutting the island Republicans. Weird.
Or, maybe the real plan is the “free association” plan but I don’t quite see where this would be heading. I know the Chavists would like to get their hooks into PR, and I wonder if there is a double game being played here.
I’m fine with statehood for PR. “They” have been “we” for a hundred years now, its about time. But the bum’s rush we are getting from the Obamists makes me nervous, makes think there is, like I say, a double-game being played.
Sneaky bastards!
Dems vigilant on Puerto Rico bill [Hispanic Dems want to kill it]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2503223/posts?page=32
[Sratching head.]
That is a head scratcher???
For me, FRiend, this entire bill blitz is a head scratcher. For example, there are people claiming that the democrats made a mistake to attempt this bill, that Puerto Rico is conservative. I’ve seen no polls to that affect, although their president seems to be conservative. I’m suspicious regardless.
Democrats are idiots in a lot of ways, but not when they calculate things like this.
I don’t trust this blitz, FRiend. I have trouble believing that democrats would miscalculate something this important.
Poor nonwhite peoples who speak Spanish do NOT support GOP candidates. A slight majority of PR received the WIC card and are dependent on the Commonwealth for employment (directly or indirectly). PR politics is a world onto itself, and should not be thought of as "conservative" in the sense of Anglo constitutionalist self-reliance.
I don't see why someone who opposes DC statehood and the continued invasion from south of our border would support PR statehood.
Thank you for your take. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if you nailed it.
I don’t quite know what to think of that story, Arthur. It is obviously a very slanted piece written by Puerto Rican commies. OTH it sounds a lot like a Puerto Rican Ruby Ridge. Which liars should I believe?
My point is that there is a rabid anti-America element in Puerto Rico. Not all there, of course. But they are quick to turn on us. It helps point out how the US could be balkanized. I suspect it would be Quebec on steroids.
OK. That point is easy enough to appreciate. I think we’re already pretty well balkanized here in the Lower 48 FWIW. 0bammy has managed to pound in every existing wedge pretty deeply too.
That sounds reasonable.
That's a good question. There are a lot of them.
Does Fortuno support Obamacare?
Anyhow IMO all FR opposition for Puerto Rico statehood stems from fear it would develop into a solid rat state. An issue you have addressed before Auh2. It would be my only reservation.
For decades PR had an island-wide network of public hospitals, and in the 1990s Gov. Rosselló (a pro-statehood, pro-business Democrat) privatized almost all of the public hospitals but gave health-insurance benefits to low-income residents (”la Tarjeta de Salud,” the healthcare card). The Tarjeta became so popular among people (some of whom gave up their employer-paid plans to get it) and doctors (the Tarjeta has low deductibles, if any) that it has become a huge strain on PR’s already bloated budget. Gov. Fortuño is too cowardly to cut benefits, so he sees ObamaCare as a way for the feds to subsidize the Tarjeta.
That, in a nutshell, is the problem with “Commonwealth status”: few PR voters have to pay federal income taxes, so most voters see increased federal spending as an asset without being tempered by the liability of having to pay higher taxes. It is also why one can’t assume that because voters in PR support public spending that is subsidized by U.S. taxpayers that they would similarly support so much public spending if PR becomes a state, since at such time they would start paying federal income taxes. (Everyone in PR already pays Social Security and Medicare taxes, but few realize that their payments are used for unrelated federal spending.)
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