Posted on 04/29/2010 4:25:14 AM PDT by RightSideNews
After reading Robert Moon's article in the Conservative Examiner, yesterday and watching the Glenn Beck video you will see how our elected representatives are moving under the cover of smoke and using mirrors to deflect our attention to issues like financial reform. HR 2499, being voted on today, if passed it will force a yes or no vote in Puerto Rico...if passed, the trigger is pulled on the second question....bringing in the "Tennessee Plan" path to statehood. Statehood adds millions of votes, 2 Senators, and more. Its all there.
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I don't recall Eskimos or Hawaiians committing 150 acts of terrorism to remain independent [FALN]. I could be wrong on that, but there is a strong independent streak in Puerto Rico which I respect. I love mountain lions, but I don't invite them in my house.
I suspect what they'll do here is add in a proviso that the illegals ALL "show good faith with a three night stay on the beach at Mayagüez, Puerto Rico" (thinking this will buy off the folks employed in the tourist industry).
Do you know what voters in PR don’t want? The current territorial status, which got 0.1% of the vote in the 1998 plebiscite. And full independence is supported by less than 5% of the population. Voters in PR are split among those that want statehood, with a of its rights and obligations, and those that want the U.S. to continue to send billions of dollars to PR while continuing ti grant U.S. citizenship to all who are born there but not to levy federal income taxes on the Island’s residents. If your home state was given the option of not having to pay federal income taxes in return for not having voting representation in Congress, but would still receive billions of dollars in subsidies, don’t you think that you could convince half of the voters to take the deal for as long as Congress was stupid enough to offer it?
Conservatives are being short-sighted and foolish by supporting the ingrates that want the benefits of U. S. citizenship and subsidies without the responsibilities, all because of the myth that voters in Puerto Rico would vote the same as second- or third-generation descendants of Great-Depression-Era PR migrants to NYC or Chicago. The electorate in PR is most similar to that of Louisiana—pro-life, pro-marriage, and pro-military, but economically populist, protectionist on trade matters, and tolerant of a certain level of corruption. Louisiana (LA) is a classic swing state, voting for the winner in every presidential election berween 1972 and 2004, and it would not surprise me if PR had voted the same way as LA in those elections. PR-born voters in Central Florida gave comfortable majorities to Jeb Bush in 2002 and George W. Bush and Mel Martinez in 2004 (the 2004 exit polls showed Puerto Ricans in Central Florida giving 50% of the vote to Bush, but like 1/3 of them were mainland-born Puerto Ricans that largely voted for Kerry), and in PR right now the Governor, the Senate President, the Speaker of the House, the Mayors of the 100+ population cities of San Juan, Bayamon, Ponce, Guaynabo, Arecibo and Toa Baja, and majorities in both houses of the state legislature are Republicans. No one can predict with certainty how the electorate in PR will vote if the Island becomes a state, but it is far likelier that they will elect one Senator from each party and 3 Representatives from each party than the all-Democrat delegation that people ignorantly assume that PR would elect.
There are at least 20 states that you should support kicking out of the Union before even considering keeping PR out because it isn’t conservative enough.
Cll, I always like your posts - it gives us a different perspective than we have here on the mainland.
Regardless, isn’t this proposal essentially a “forcing” of statehood on PR?? If so I cannot support it.
Here’s a Threat Matrix quote [via mestamachine]:
http://www.hispanicmuslims.com/articles/arizonalatinos.html
Latinos embracing Islam, but
‘dirty bomb’ case brings unwanted attention
By Daniel González
Arizona Republic
June 28, 2002
Melissa Morales, a Latina born in Puerto Rico, was eating in a local Mexican restaurant recently when the waiter wanted to know why she covered her head in a long black scarf.
“Eres monjita?” the Spanish-speaking waiter asked. Are you a nun?
Her answer caught the waiter by surprise. No, she told him. Not a nun, a Muslim.
Latinos and Islam may seem like a strange combination to most, primarily because Catholicism is so deeply embedded in Latino culture. But the combination is less unusual, believers point out, in light of the fact that beginning in the year 711, Muslims from North Africa occupied Spain for more than seven centuries.
Still, the estimated 40,000 Latino Muslims in the United States remained far off the country’s cultural radar until earlier this month when a Latino Muslim named Jose Padilla was accused by federal authorities of plotting with Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaida terrorist network to detonate a radioactive “dirty bomb” on U.S. soil.
Authorities said Padilla, the Brooklyn-born son of Puerto Rican parents, was raised a Catholic, but converted to Islam.
Padilla’s arrest did not bring the kind of attention the small but growing number of Latino Muslims want. They are quick to defend their religion as peaceful.
“Islam is peace. Islam is not terrorism,” said Morales, 25, an elementary school teacher at the Tempe Islamic Cultural Center.
There is no Latino Muslim organization in the Phoenix area, and Morales said she has encountered fewer than 50 Latino Muslims.
She also wondered why Padilla’s ethnicity and citizenship became an issue when John Walker Lindh’s has not. Lindh is the 20-year-old American from California who converted to Islam and is accused of conspiring with Taliban forces in Afghanistan to kill fellow Americans.
“Why do we have to categorize (Padilla) because he’s Latino? Why don’t we do that with John Walker?” asked Morales, pointing out that Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens by birth.
The world’s 1 billion Muslims believe that Islam is the one true religion and that there is only one God, Allah, whose revelations revealed in the seventh century to the Prophet Mohammed are contained in Islam’s sacred book, the Koran.
Padilla’s arrest shocked many Latino Muslims, including Juan Galvan, vice president of the national Latino American Dawah Organization.
Dawah means “the call to Allah” in Arabic, and the organization works to promote Islam to Latinos.
Galvan believes the publicity over Padilla’s arrest only added to negative perceptions about both Islam and Latinos.
“Islam is always associated with something negative,” said Galvan, 27, of Austin, who also heads the Texas chapter of the Latino American Dawah Organization. “Of all the people who had to get themselves in trouble, this guy turns out to be Latino.”
Islam is the nation’s fastest growing religion and in many ways the reasons Latinos are converting to Islam are no different than those of others.
Some, like Veronica Ramirez, 36, of Tempe and Lucy Chapa, 32, of Phoenix, were raised Roman Catholic but became disenchanted with many of Catholicism’s tenets.
“I was practicing Catholicism, but in my mind there were always doubts,” Ramirez said. “One of my questions was the Trinity. How could one person be three?”
Ramirez, a native of Mexico, said a Muslim friend from Lebanon first introduced her to Islam in college. She said she was attracted to the faith’s practicality.
“For every rule there is a reason. It’s not just ‘because,’ “ Ramirez said.
Chapa had never heard of Islam until she met a Muslim man while traveling in Europe seven years ago.
Other Latino Muslims like Sheila Roman, 36, of Tempe and Katherine Muhammad, 30, of Phoenix converted to Islam after marrying Muslims.
“My converting was not for my husband,” said Roman, a native of Puerto Rico. “It was by choice.”
Morales, a former Pentecostal missionary, prefers to say she “reverted” to Islam rather than converted.
In fact, she said, many Latinos who embrace Islam feel that they are reclaiming their Islamic heritage, not rejecting Latino culture.
“Latino people,” she said, “have a legacy of Islam in Spain.”
In the company of each other, they often blend three cultures, greeting each other with the traditional Muslim greeting “salaam alaykum” while conversing in Spanish and English.
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http://www.latinodawah.org/links/links2.html
Muslim Organizations in Latin America
Latino Muslim Organizations in the United States
Muslim Organizations in Latin America
Various Latino Muslim Links
Various Latino Links
Various Muslim Links
ARGENTINA | BOLIVIA | BRASIL | CHILE | COLOMBIA | COSTA RICA
CUBA | CURAZAO | ECUADOR | EL SALVADOR | GUATEMALA | HONDURAS
MÉXICO | NICARAGUA | PANAMA | PARAGUAY | PERÚ | PUERTO RICO
REPÚBLICA DOMINICANA | SURINAME | FRENCH GUIANA
TRINIDAD Y TOBAGO | VENEZUELA | GUYANA | URUGUAY | HAITI
Countries that first colonized Latin America: SPAIN, PORTUGAL, and FRANCE
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In 2007, there were over 5,000 Muslims in Puerto Rico, representing about 0.13% of the population. There are eight Islamic mosques spread throughout the island, with most Muslims living in Río Piedras.
Puerto Rican converts to Islam continues to occur. “Ties between Latinos and Islam are more than just spiritual, but date back to Spanish history. Many people do not realize that Muslims ruled Spain for more than 700 years”. And at times not just individuals, but whole families convert. However, lack of Muslim education in the Island forces some Puerto Rican Muslims to migrate to the States.
Many Latino Muslims who claim Islamic roots point out that Islam’s influence on Latin America is not new. They point to the African/Islamic influence evident in Spanish literature, music and thought. Thousands of Spanish words, for example, are derived from Arabic. In Latino culture, especially language, there are lots of Arabisms.
***Islam was brought into Puerto Rico mainly via the Palestinian migration of the 1950s and ‘60s. Thus, today there is a strong Palestinian presence among Muslims in Puerto Rico. “They are economically strong and are thus able to pay for a full time Imaam”.
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Islam Luring More Latinos
The steadily increasing number of Latino Muslims illustrates how deeply rooted Islam has become in the America landscape - even spreading to communities not normally associated with the faith, religious scholars say.
By Chris L. Jenkins, Washington Post, January 7, 2001
At dusk, Aminah Martinez prepares dinner in her small Fairfax kitchen. Corn tortillas for enchiladas, grated cheese and beef for tacos, maybe an avocado for guacamole — all staples of her youth.
But dusk is also time for prayer. So every evening, with her husband and two children, she places her hands together and kneels to the east. It is Maghrib, Muslims’ fourth prayer of the day, and she begins whispering in Arabic as the subtle aromas of Mexico mix with sounds often associated with the Middle East.
Martinez is one of the thousands of Latinos nationwide who have converted to Islam. It is an amalgam of two seemingly disparate communities. But in growing numbers, Hispanics, the country’s fastest-growing ethnic group, are finding new faith in Islam, the nation’s fastest-growing religion. Moved by what many say is a close-knit religious environment and a faith that provides a more concrete, intimate connection with God, they are replacing Mass with mosques.
“Islam has given me a sense of religious community and well-being that I was starting to miss in my life,” said Martinez, 26, who converted from Catholicism in 1993. “It’s helped give me a sense of completion.”
The steadily increasing number of Latino Muslims illustrates how deeply rooted Islam has become in the national landscape — even spreading to communities not normally associated with the faith, religious scholars say. The Muslim population in the United States is estimated at more than 4 million, nearly six times the number in 1970, but still a fraction of the nearly 1 billion Muslims worldwide.
Although exact numbers are difficult to find, the American Muslim Council, an advocacy group in Washington, estimates that there are 25,000 Hispanic Muslims in the United States. The largest communities are in New York City, Southern California and Chicago — all places that traditionally have had large Hispanic and Muslim populations. All-Spanish mosques have emerged in some of those areas.
Many of the converts say they are choosing Islam because they feel the religion gives them greater direct contact with God, without saints and a rigid church hierarchy. Some also point to what they see as a closer-knit, smaller community that helps replace the extended family they have lost here in America, as well as a supportive sanctuary to help sort through their sometimes recent immigration. The Latino Muslims are part of a larger trend of American Hispanics leaving the Catholic Church, experts say.
In the Washington region, the population of Latino Muslims is largely from Mexico and Central America, as it is in western states, according to Latin American Muslim Unity, an advocacy group in Fresno, Calif. In other eastern cities, including Miami, significant numbers of converts are from Puerto Rico and Cuba.
“It certainly is a community that we have seen grow throughout the country over the past several years,” said Aly R. Abuzaakouk, executive director of the American Muslim Council. “The community is not as organized as other Muslim groups here, so sometimes it’s hard to determine the numbers.”
Signs of the growth of Islam in the United States can be seen in everyday life. A few colleges are building student centers for Muslims, just as they built Hillel centers for Jewish students or Newman centers for Catholics several generations ago. The White House now sends greetings for the Muslim holiday of Id al-Fitr, the feast that ends Ramadan.
“I think on college campuses and other public spaces, you’re finding a greater acceptance of the views and the presence of Muslims,” said John L. Esposito, a professor at Georgetown University and director of its Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding. “A generation ago you might use the phrase ‘Islam and the West,’ and now you would say ‘Islam in the West.’ “
Indeed, acceptance and exposure are fueling the conversions, making it easier for Latinos to learn about Islam. Martinez, for example, converted when she was a student at the University of Texas in Austin. The eldest child in a strict Catholic household, she says Islam was largely alien to her until she began talking with Muslim students on campus. Like many Hispanics who have converted, she said she felt a distance from the Catholic Church, both as a religious community and a spiritual path.
“Growing up, I was a very devout Catholic. . . . Youth groups and everything,” Martinez said. “But as I got older, I felt there were too many distractions in the church. Islam, to me, was a more direct faith where I felt a strong sense of belonging.”
Her faith was tested immediately. Martinez’s grandmother was so disappointed by the conversion that she asked her granddaughter to leave her home and refused to support her financially. She saw the defection from Catholicism as a rejection of family and tradition, Martinez said. It would be a year before the two would reconcile.
Such stories are common among Latinos who have abandoned Catholicism for Islam.
Others have had a smoother transition. Becky Diaz Abu Ghannam, 39, a Chilean American resident of Sterling who converted in 1984, said that she grew up feeling that Catholicism did not provide the close-knit religious community she was looking for. As she became more aware of Islam when she came to America, she found that it provided a warmth and direction that appealed to her — particularly the five daily prayers. Initially, like many other Hispanic women interviewed, she was concerned about the role of women in Islam and whether she would be forced to take a subservient position to her husband, who is also Muslim, and other men. Her fears subsided as she learned more about the Koran and its teachings and how some countries’ Islamic communities are less stringent about such requirements.
And, she adds, her mother, a lifelong Catholic, converted several months ago after seeing her daughter’s spiritual path.
“The sense of sisterhood I felt with others who wore hijab was something that I had never experienced,” said Abu Ghannam, referring to the practice of Muslim women covering their heads in public. She added that, like Martinez, she is raising her children to speak all the languages of their upbringing: Arabic, Spanish, English.
“I think what many [Hispanics] are finding in Islam is a community that they find more nurturing,” said Nicole Ballivian, a Los Angeles documentary filmmaker who is completing a movie about Latino Muslims called “Luces Sobre Islam” (”Islam in Focus”).
She has traveled throughout South America and the Caribbean and visited many Hispanic Muslim communities here. She said that many of the converts she has talked with say the Catholic Church is large and impersonal.
These concerns about Catholicism mirror a trend that many officials in U.S. dioceses have tracked for years: the defection of Hispanics. The Catholic Almanac estimates that 100,000 Hispanics in the United States leave the church each year, although some other experts put the number as high as 600,000. Most have moved to Pentecostal and evangelical Protestant faiths as well as Mormonism, Islam and Buddhism. Converts appear to be both men and women in equal numbers.
“The numbers of Latinos who convert to various religions is certainly significant,” said Alejandro Aguilera Titus, assistant director for the Secretariat for Hispanic Affairs with the National Council of Catholic Bishops in Washington. “We find that the conversion efforts of many faiths have increased recently, which has led many Hispanics away from the Catholic Church.”
Many area Latinos who have converted say their attraction to Islam is spiritual and pragmatic. And even as their community seems scattered — with members attending mosques in Manassas, Herndon, Falls Church, Langley Park and College Park — they have formed their own organizations and have produced their own literature. Spanish translations of the Koran, for instance, are popular at several Northern Virginia mosques.
The Association of Latin American Muslims, a group based in Takoma Park, distributes a bilingual, bimonthly newspaper, “La Voz Del Islam” (”The Voice of Islam”) with members occasionally walking the streets to talk to Latinos.
“Organizing here can be very difficult at times, because it is easy to mistake Hispanics for other ethnicities,” said group president R. Abdur Rahman Campos, who converted in 1982 after coming here from Mexico. Campos, 48, said he left the Catholic Church frustrated by what he called its heavy emphasis on saints, which he says distracted him from the word of God.
“But it is important to continue to spread the teachings to Hispanics and non-Hispanics,” he added. “To everyone.”
Source: Washington Post, Sunday, January 7, 2001; Page C01
I quoted you in post 45. Thank you.
BTW, I realized this morning that there are Republican mayors in 6 (not 5) of the 8 largest cities in PR.
This morning I posted something similar to that post from a couple of days ago: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2502891/posts?page=43#43
“Regardless, isn’t this proposal essentially a “forcing” of statehood on PR?? If so I cannot support it”
There’s something to that in that bill. I’ll tell you more. The Puerto Rican political party that’s pushing this in DC, know full well that this is not going to fly. They know that even if they pass it in the House, the Senate will kill it. Why do they do it anyway? I’ll tell you another little dirty secret.
The New Progressive Party, the party currently in power in Puerto Rico, is made up of a coalition of Democrats and Republicans, and it is the party which purportedly supports statehood. To your surprise, the faction that actually controls the party DOES NOT REALLY WANT STATEHOOD. they are content with the status quo. They just pushed this bill to appease the hardcore pro-statehood faction of the party. That’s it!
And there’s more: OBAMA OPPOSES PUERTO RICO STATEHOOD. How do I know this? Because his Puerto Rico go-to-guy is Congressman Luis Gutierrez (D-IL), who’s rabidly anti-statehood and pro-independence. Regarding Puerto Rico, whatever Alien Head Gutierrez says, goes with Obama.
But wait, you also get with this package: GLENN BECK AND HERITAGE.ORG AND MOST CONSERVATIVES HAVE FALLEN INTO ANOTHER DEMOCRAT TRAP. That’s right. They are actually peddling the spin of the Puerto Rico political party that’s more closely aligned with the national Democrats. Your read right: Glenn Beck is serving as a tool of the Popular Democratic Party and that of leftist democrats like Obama, Gutierrez, and Nydia Velazquez (D-NY).
“A single language increases a nation’s unity. Multiple languages weaken a nation’s unity. On that basis alone, I am opposed”
What language am I writing to you in, sir? I was born and raised on the island and I think I’m rather fluent in English, as are most of the people I know here.
Also, unlike most states and the federal government, English is actually an official language of Puerto Rico.
Puerto Rico was annexed by the U.S. over a hundred years ago and language has not been an issue in our relationship at all. Why would that change under statehood?
Lame Cherry has been saying that about GB for almost a year or so.
Not sure that I agree, but that blogger has been saying it consistently about GB.
Exactly.
They will probably have to “promise” to-at some point in their lifetime-”visit” PR.
Or they can purchase their PR citizenship-on an installment plan of course. But if you’re too poor, the govt will subsidize your payments for you.
I’m telling you-this opens up a whole other stream of money, power, votes and of course, abuse. All using the trump card-RACISM.
The bill provides a vote for or against the status quo. If the status quo is rejected, there would be a second vote a few (I believe 6) months later between statehood and “sovereignty.” If sovereignty wins, one of the options would be an “associated republic” similar to what the Republic of the Marshall Islands and Republic of Palau (tiny island nations in the Pacific) have with the U.S. Most of the anti-statehood voters in PR want either things to stay as they are or for some sort of associated-republic status with a treaty guaranteeing U.S. citizenship and federal funding but no federal taxation or legislation unless consented by the PR government, but obviously the U.S. would never grant such a deal and if it went crazy and did so a future U.S. government would terminate the treaty.
The most important thing to remember is that the bill asks U.S. citizens in PR what their status preference is, but that ultimately any change in political status of PR must be aporoved by the U.S. Congress.
“PR does not want it.
America does not want it.
The Enemies of America and the US Congress, who are
partners in crime, are both eager to shove this, too,
down the throats of captive Americans.”
Our current Congress are nothing but vampires! Every evil done in the dark of night. If it weren’t for Beck’s show, I wouldn’t have even known about this!
B U M P
LOL. That’s laughable! Puerto Rico has a “muslim problem”?! That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard so far in this debate. I LIVE HERE AND I DON’T KNOW A SINGLE MUSLIM. There’s like one mosque out there in sticks and its members keep to themselves.
Your Puerto Rico is fictional. The real Puerto Rico is 99% if not 100% CHRISTIAN. That’s Catholic or Evangelical Christians.
51st State? [Glenn Beck]
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/39739
Glenn Beck is serving as a tool of the Popular Democratic Party and that of leftist democrats like Obama, Gutierrez, and Nydia Velazquez (D-NY).
To what ends?
The New Progressive Party, the party currently in power in Puerto Rico, is made up of a coalition of Democrats and Republicans
Why should I trust "Republicans" who label themselves as "progressive" and align themselves with Democrats?
Debate aside, God bless all who made the Ultimate Sacrifice, and God bless their loved ones!
And ACORN is finished too, right?
Sovereignty association is a bad, bad deal. It’s what we have with Quebec. I’m shocked that the Democrats want to saddle America with Canadian problems that really are intractable. It’s completely at odds with American principles. It cannot be an option for Puerto Ricans who should be given a straight up vote, independence or statehood, as all the other states received.
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