TerriK INVESTIGATION, PART 2: (More from Donofrio and Hawaii)

Naturalborncitizen Blog ^ | 9/27-09 | Leo DonoFrio

[Danae]

TerriK INVESTIGATION, PART 2: OIP Staff Attorney Linden Joesting’s Response to TerriK’s Appeal Appears To Confirm That The DoH Maintains Amended Vital Records For President Obama.

The UIPA at 92F-3 explicitly defines “government records” as follows:

“Government record” means information maintained by an agency in written, auditory, visual, electronic, or other physical form.

When a state agency in Hawaii is faced with a request for government records, the Office of Information Practices Administrative Rules govern all responses to such a request.  State agencies may not issue a response which doesn’t conform to the OIP Administrative Rules.

Agencies must answer every request for government records within the four following types of response:

1.  the agency has the record and will provide it to you

2. the agency does not maintain/possess the record

3.  the agency has the record but you are denied access to it

4. the agency needs more information from you to understand your request

These are examples of the four basic responses available to a state agency.  For example, an agency may not tell a person that the agency refuses to say whether they possess a certain record.

This very issue was discussed  in OIP Opinion Letter 97-08, wherein a staff attorney for the Corporation Counsel was faced with a UIPA request concerning a legal memo.  The staff attorney refused to acknowledge whether the legal memo existed by citing attorney client privilege.

[FARS]

In case you missed any of these.

Some repeats (usually embellished) you may have seen and also new material. The Looking for a Hero is great.

Note: “noiri” provides the permalink to these articles and stands for “No Islamic Regime (in) Iran”

MUST VIEW/LISTEN VIDEO. Inspirational on Iran. LOOKING FOR A HERO.
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/09/looking-for-hero.html

COMPARE two presidents’ view on Iran (two videos together)
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/09/compare-bush-for-people-oba-hussein-for.html

OBAMA RECORDS IN HAWAII – New legal activity
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/09/access-to-records-in-hawaii-heating-up.html

DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE only Certified Obama in ONE State (Hawaii) NOT the OTHER 49
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/09/obama-was-only-certified-as-eligible-by.html

HOW OBAMA CONFRONTS IRAN
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/09/oba-hussein-i-shaved-my-legs-for-this.html

BRAIN WASHING IN SCHOOLS
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/09/maos-china-hitlers-germany-stalins.html

FAIL TO BUY HEALTH CARE Go to Jail!
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/09/fail-to-buy-health-insurance-go-to-jail.html

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[Red Steel]

does anyone believe they will release information on fees and DOH proceedures regarding Ogabe's vital records?

They are going to have to sue Hawaii in court just to see the indicative data related to Obama's birth records.

[AZ .44 MAG]

Thanks for the ping.

I hope this is disturbing Oblahblah’s sleep.

[mad_as_he$$]

Winner!

[HoneysuckleTN]

Could you please add me to your birth certificate ping list? Thanks!

[Danae]

EG, I absolutely do. Okubo and Fukino are completely ignoring part of the Hawaiian Statute. Its §338-18 (13) section (d) “Index data consisting of name and sex of the registrant, type of vital event, and such other data as the director may authorize shall be made available to the public.”

Which means that any documents other than those which are protected like the long form, must be released. Such as reciepts for the purchase of COLB’s. Those documents are NOT protected by Privacy laws and MUST be made available. :) Because Hawaii is breaking its own laws, Terry has standing to Sue. And ALL Americans have the right to request those records not specifically covered by privacy laws or sealed by court order (ie Adoption records).

Interesting note here, Hawaii has admitted they have more than one record. We know Barry was adopted. That would have been something that would have been changed on his birth certificate, his COLB as well, and listed as AMENDED on that COLB. Barry would have been able to get certain privileges in Indonesia with that listing of Lolo Soetoro as his father - also listed as an Indonesian citizen. It means Barry likely could have used it to get Indonesian citizenship based on the fact that the father listed on his COLB is Indonesian.

So... Barry can get an Indonesian passport with it as well later in life.

Interesting no?

Now, the COLB that Obama put up on fact check shows Obama sr as his dad, so the Birth records got amended again. In Hawaii if the Adoption is invalidated his birth records would have reverted to what they were previously.

Golly, I wonder when Barry did that?

I am betting that Barry had a COLB at some point in his life that listed Lolo Soetoro as his father, an Indonesian citizen.

Thats all academic, the fact that Barry’s Birth father is/was British - Kenyan, makes him Constitutionally NOT a Natural Born Citizen.

Barry should be in jail right now.

[Red Steel]

That would have been something that would have been changed on his birth certificate, his COLB as well, and listed as AMENDED on that COLB.

And is more evidence that Obama's COLB Chrissssy Mathews waved to the world is a forgery.

[Danae]

Nah, more than likely its real. He just had to nullify the Adoption in his birth records, which he could have done. The question is when was that done? After 1980 when he went to Pakistan perhaps?? Or perhaps after he went to college, as a foreign Student?

Hawaii makes it pretty easy for a person to change their records, nullifying an adoption so that his birth record reflects his birth father would be easy to do. Otherwise, after his adoption by Lolo Soetoro, his COLB would have listed Lolo as his dad and that he had an amended birth record. Obviously he doesn’t have lolo on his COLB so that means that Obama has amended his birth records a couple of times in his lifetime.

The question I have is when did he change it back?

Like I said, its still irrelevant, what IS relevant is Barry’s dad was Kenyan-British, which makes Barry a citizen of the US, but NOT a Natural Born citizen. You HAVE to have two American Parents for that. At the VERY minimum.

[FTJM]

"Yes, you may ask for a copy of the invoice and receipt. If the agency has the documents in electronic form, or can easily convert the documents into an electronic form, then they may send it to you electronically. If no amendments were made, there would not be any such documents and the agency should inform you of that fact."

You've got to be kidding me.

[Danae]

Nope. Not even remotely.

THe state can answer with one of four responses:

From Leo’s site:

1. the agency has the record and will provide it to you

2. the agency does not maintain/possess the record

3. the agency has the record but you are denied access to it

4. the agency needs more information from you to understand your request

The DoH and OIP Eventually answered with # 3 but it took a while to force that answer. Mostly because it forced the state to statutorily ADMIT they have them! They really didn’t even want to do that.

It gets really interesting from here on out, because at that point in the investigation Terry wasn’t done with her questions! :)

[Candor7]

Sheesh! Not a single bit of TROLL spoor on this thread. Have they gone into hiding? Here little trollies. Come to Papa!!!

LOL.

[TigersEye]

The man in the highest office of the land is a National Security risk threat!

[MHGinTN]

As far as I can tell, re-reading clarifies nothing beyond what I posted. Leo is erroneously praising a staff lawyer who has remained solidly on the side of the DOH restricting access, against state previous OIPA procedures.

At the end of the letter from Linden H. Joestring, staff attorney, whom Leo is so positive about, we find the following continuing misdirection/obfuscation:

The DOH has taken the position that any related documents are also covered by the statute’s restrictions. This is based on the statute’s wording that no disclosure, inspection or copy of “all or any part of any record” is permitted except as authorized by the statute. … The statute restricts access only to those who stand in a specific relationship to the person whose record is requested. … The DOH’s interpretation of the UIPA and section 338-18, H.R.S. are correct.

[thecodont]

The question I have is when did he change it back?

Maybe in 2008, since he made a couple of stops to HI during the campaign season.

Maybe the "displayed" (Factcheck.org) COLB was the fake, and then BO went first to get Soetoro's name off, and then again to get BO Sr.'s name on.

So now the image on the "displayed" COLB (since scrubbed) can't be called a fake, since BO has made a couple of amendments to the records.

[Red Steel]

If Donofrio and Miss Tickly are successful then we should be able to see if Obama made amendments (indicative data) to his birth record in 2008.

[rocco55]

Gang, I am a little confused right now. Initially Leo said Okubo and Fukino were guilty of not informing TerriK that she had the right to “appeal” her case and it was the duty of the DoH to state this in their reply to Miss Tickly (AKA TerriK). Then yesterday, John Charlton sent a threatening message to Okubo and cc’d EVERYONE in the Health Dept regarding Leo’s newly discovered statute 338-18(d) which affords the petitioner the right to obtain ‘index’ data, per the new interpretation of this statute, which request MUST be sent to the petitioner upon request.

Now, it seems that OIP Attorney Linden Joesting, with whom I’ve exchanged e-mails with and, per Miss Tickly, is one of the few cooperative attorneys at the State level, is stating:

“I regret we cannot help you further.”

Whatever happened to the State taking disciplinary action against Obama’s two little pawn girls (Fukino and Okubo) ?

Whatever happened to the 338-18 (d) case that was purportedly going to be a legal means of obtaining ‘something’ from Obama’s files ???

If anyone has any explanations, I would GREATLY appreciate receiving an answer.

If the answer is just sit tight until PART III of Leo’s investigation, I’ll live with that, but I thought we were ready to proceed with legally supported accusations regarding the State neglecting to inform Miss Tickly of her right to appeal in addition to 338-18 (D) and NEITHER of those two avenues of recourse were even mentioned in this PART II.

Please excuse the frustration. I GREATLY admire and respect Leo and Miss Tickly for their efforts, but I thought we were “getting warmer” ! Thx for your time.

[Red Steel]

The DOH has taken the position that any related documents are also covered by the statute’s restrictions. This is based on the statute’s wording that no disclosure, inspection or copy of “all or any part of any record” is permitted except as authorized by the statute. …

Not if Donofrio can get Hawaii to separate the "indicative data" from the specific records.

[FTJM]

I think you missed the point of my comment. It’s asinine that the State is potentially hiding behind an inability to transfer information into electronic format. That’s the loophole in the statute that they hide behind.

[Danae]

There is more to come, there is more to the story! Leo and Terry are not done yet!

[Danae]

There is more coming! :)

There is some CYA going on. And the State of Hawaii has reason to be trying to cover its ass. I don’t know what that reason is yet, but its pretty obvious they are doing just that. CYA on a fairly large scale.

There is more to come! :)