TerriK INVESTIGATION, PART 2: (More from Donofrio and Hawaii)

Naturalborncitizen Blog ^ | 9/27-09 | Leo DonoFrio

[Danae]

TerriK INVESTIGATION, PART 2: OIP Staff Attorney Linden Joesting’s Response to TerriK’s Appeal Appears To Confirm That The DoH Maintains Amended Vital Records For President Obama.

The UIPA at 92F-3 explicitly defines “government records” as follows:

“Government record” means information maintained by an agency in written, auditory, visual, electronic, or other physical form.

When a state agency in Hawaii is faced with a request for government records, the Office of Information Practices Administrative Rules govern all responses to such a request.  State agencies may not issue a response which doesn’t conform to the OIP Administrative Rules.

Agencies must answer every request for government records within the four following types of response:

1.  the agency has the record and will provide it to you

2. the agency does not maintain/possess the record

3.  the agency has the record but you are denied access to it

4. the agency needs more information from you to understand your request

These are examples of the four basic responses available to a state agency.  For example, an agency may not tell a person that the agency refuses to say whether they possess a certain record.

This very issue was discussed  in OIP Opinion Letter 97-08, wherein a staff attorney for the Corporation Counsel was faced with a UIPA request concerning a legal memo.  The staff attorney refused to acknowledge whether the legal memo existed by citing attorney client privilege.

[Danae]

She might have been hoping you would do just that, consult with an attorney who would look at the case and see that Hawaii was not following its own UIPA laws and involve OIP just as Leo and MissTickly have done! :)

[Danae]

Sounds like some liberal justices are trying to stack the deck.

[SeattleBruce]

Is this in an on-line manual ?
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If there is an online manual, a few of us should download it, for validation purposes. It’s probably a PDF download and you can basically have a timestamp. That way if they change it, you’ll have proof they changed it - and approx. when. (you may have already been planning to do this.)

[SeattleBruce]

Remember ? if they call us birthers “ NUTS “ or “ CRAZY “ .. just remind them of a man named NOAH
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And remind them that we’re not the ones covering up our entire past while persuing the US Presidency.

[SeattleBruce]

And, then he must replay all the meticulous steps he thinks he took in his foggy mind .. what was done or undone or amended .. checking off the list and whom he gave this to sterilize and that to remove ..what he knows he did .. and anguish over the possibility that anything might have been forgotten, left undone or incomplete.

The suffering of liars .......
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Quite an intriguing picture you paint..

[Beloved Levinite]

WHERE THERE IS SMOKE...

THERE IS FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA HA!! SQUIRM, ZER0, SQUIRM!!

[Danae]

Between this and the ACORN tapes, I would have to say that September might have been even worse than August! :)

[SeattleBruce]

Sorry, Newsmax, there is zero evidence that what Barry released on line is actually a genuine Hawaii issued CoLB.
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Right, some elements in his campaign just put something with the title ‘certification of live birth’ online. That's it. No proof that even that was real/authentic - and that's not a long form.

Further, people aren't asking the more fundamental question of his parentage and how that relates to Barry being or NOT BEING a natural born citizen, required in Article II of the USC.

Now the SCOTUS needs to rule on this matter. But I don't think they will as long as the usurper in chief is in the WH - because of the political implications (such as they are and notwithstanding the clear Constitutional evisceration that will happen instead.)

It is a sad shame what has happened hear...under the cover of the American Public’s apathy toward the USC and our political so-called leaders.

[conservativegramma]

Oh hello MissTickly - great to see you back!

Oh, and thank you for your excellent work! Fabulous. Praying for you both!!

[SeattleBruce]

If Obama had the Adoption legally nullified, his COLB would have reverted back to the original form, with out the amended language on it.
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But would the amendment stamp itself have still been applied?

[BP2]

I have not gotten this impression at all from him. On the contrary, he expects the PEOPLE to prevail.=)

I pray you're right.

But based upon the level of internal corruption we've seen in Hawaii govt on this matter, it's quite unknown the number of layers of obfuscation, redirection, and deception we're going to have to cut through to get to the Truth. But like you & Leo, I see what's going on here too and know the DOH's and Lt Gov's interpretation is flawed and politically-motivated. I see Justice prevailing in the end.

[Danae]

What I read in the statute said that it would go back to what it had said before the Adoption, which means to me that it would not have an “Amended” on it.

“Reverts back to the original” I believe was the language used.

[HoneysuckleTN]

Thank you!

[SeattleBruce]

What I read in the statute said that it would go back to what it had said before the Adoption, which means to me that it would not have an “Amended” on it.

“Reverts back to the original” I believe was the language used.
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Oh, I see. So they still have all the versions on hand? That seems curious.

[Danae]

They have to keep everything. They cannot destroy or delete anything.

[rocco55]

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/amendment.html

Rec’d this from “crosstimbers”

Not a manual, but some info on amendments

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[tcrlaf]

“Front page of Indianapolis Star this morning headline says that ACORN is no longer in Indiana...”

ACORN???
Or is ACORN Housing (The Fed-subsidized Home Mortgage Broker front scheme) no longer in Indiana...

[TigersEye]

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[American Constitutionalist]

Ok,, I thank you greatly for the information ...

But, a nagging thought in my mind is thinking, even if he had it annulled, that, there would still be some kind of amended notation on it, correct ? or no ?