TerriK INVESTIGATION, PART 2: (More from Donofrio and Hawaii)

Naturalborncitizen Blog ^ | 9/27-09 | Leo DonoFrio

[Danae]

TerriK INVESTIGATION, PART 2: OIP Staff Attorney Linden Joesting’s Response to TerriK’s Appeal Appears To Confirm That The DoH Maintains Amended Vital Records For President Obama.

The UIPA at 92F-3 explicitly defines “government records” as follows:

“Government record” means information maintained by an agency in written, auditory, visual, electronic, or other physical form.

When a state agency in Hawaii is faced with a request for government records, the Office of Information Practices Administrative Rules govern all responses to such a request.  State agencies may not issue a response which doesn’t conform to the OIP Administrative Rules.

Agencies must answer every request for government records within the four following types of response:

1.  the agency has the record and will provide it to you

2. the agency does not maintain/possess the record

3.  the agency has the record but you are denied access to it

4. the agency needs more information from you to understand your request

These are examples of the four basic responses available to a state agency.  For example, an agency may not tell a person that the agency refuses to say whether they possess a certain record.

This very issue was discussed  in OIP Opinion Letter 97-08, wherein a staff attorney for the Corporation Counsel was faced with a UIPA request concerning a legal memo.  The staff attorney refused to acknowledge whether the legal memo existed by citing attorney client privilege.

[STARWISE]

I can’t imagine that he hasn’t had a couple of those cold sweat, sit up in the bed breathless startles, when the thought of a thread to his complicated, convoluted and multi-continental and multi-father/stepfather/mentor-filled colorful and active past suddenly pops into his subconscious and wakens him in the middle of the night like a stab to his flesh.

And, then he must replay all the meticulous steps he thinks he took in his foggy mind .. what was done or undone or amended .. checking off the list and whom he gave this to sterilize and that to remove ..what he knows he did .. and anguish over the possibility that anything might have been forgotten, left undone or incomplete.

The suffering of liars .......

[American Constitutionalist]

Sounds like the same kind of posturing that is happening in the ACORN case against James and Hannah.
Have you noticed ? James and Hannah have been consistent with their side, but, ACORN has been all over the road like a drunken sailer with their story, they got to cover a lie with another lie.

[thecodont]

The suffering of liars .......

Liars have to have exceptionally good memories.

But humans are fallible, and human memory is frail.

Something is always overlooked, something remains undone.

[shield]

HA...he is having nightmares no doubt. It’s very hard for a liar to remember all the different lies....when the lies are told again they are different than the first lies...

[rocco55]

AC, Red, I requested from MHGinTN a source for the ‘amended’ stamp on a COLB. I have been following these threads for almost a year and today is the first I’ve heard of this. Other COLB images have been submitted and none of them have had an “amended” stamp. Where did this idea come from?

I hope it’s true and can be used to incriminate both HI and BO, but I haven’t seen any evidence yet ?

BTW Red, I hope I am not hitting you with too many requests, today ?

[American Constitutionalist]

If you read in the BOOK of II KINGS chapter 6.
GOD revealed the secret plans of the King of Syria to the prophet Elisha, even the very thoughts in the King of Syria's mind on his secret bed chambers.
Yes, Main Fringe Media, the GOD of Israel WILL reveal the secrets of your secret plans to God's servants, even the very thoughts and plans in the mind if the GOD of Israel seems fit to do so.

and there is NOTHING,

I say, NOTHING in this world that can stop the GOD of Israel of doing his will.
There is no way you can crack the lines of communication of GOD because it is not of this world.


II KINGS chapter 6 : verses 8 - 13

8. Then the king of Syria warred against Israel, and took counsel with his servants, saying, In such and such a place shall be my camp.

9. And the man of God sent unto the king of Israel, saying, Beware that thou pass not such a place; for thither the Syrians are come down.

10. And the king of Israel sent to the place which the man of God told him and warned him of, and saved himself there, not once nor twice.

11. Therefore the heart of the king of Syria was sore troubled for this thing; and he called his servants, and said unto them, Will ye not shew me which of us is for the king of Israel?

12. And one of his servants said, None, my lord, O king: but Elisha, the prophet that is in Israel, telleth the king of Israel the words that thou speakest in thy bedchamber.

13. And he said, Go and spy where he is, that I may send and fetch him. And it was told him, saying, Behold, he is in Dothan.


The Earth is the LORD'S ( The GOD of Israel ) and the fullness thereof.
The God of Israel reins.
Axslerod ? main fringe media ? your plans are not secret, GOD knows them all, even the very thoughts and imaginations in your minds.

[American Constitutionalist]

GOD already knows their plans even before they hatch it in their minds, and GOD will reveal it to his servants.
Their plans are not hidden from the eye of the GOD of Israel.

[Future Useless Eater]

Linden Joesten's letter of Sept 17 spelled out that there are people who COULD legally request and receive all the related documents....

"The statute restricts access only to people who stand in a specific relationship to the person..."

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.htm

§338-18 Disclosure of records.
...
(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:
...
(5) A person having a common ancestor with the registrant;

There are THOUSANDS of persons documented to have a common ancestor with Obama. Even these people for example:

Obama Family Tree

It sure would be an awkward family reunion. But, believe it or not, Barack Obama is related to both President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney.

OK, distantly related: Obama and Bush are 11th cousins.

That's because they share the same great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents -- Samuel Hinckley and Sarah Soole Hinckley of 17th century Massachusetts.

That means Obama and former President George Herbert Walker Bush are 10th cousins once removed.

Barack Obama is distantly related to former President George H.W. Bush and President George W. Bush.

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[hoosiermama]

Facial tics get active too.

[hoosiermama]

BO has tried to remove all evidence.....But HE Can NOT be certain that that task has been established. Therefore, each time a new birthcertificate, new legal angle is presented his nerves has to be on edge.

Granted he’s a practiced lyer raised in a family of lyers, but sooner or later it will all unravel, he’ll be unable to control his enablers.

[Kevmo]

And is more evidence that Obama’s COLB Chrissssy Mathews waved to the world is a forgery.
***Wasn’t that Bill O’Reilly?

[Red Steel]

Chrisssssssssy Mathews.

"Matthews on Tuesday said Campbell was "playing to the crazies" by supporting the "crazy" bill, and the congressman shot back that it was all about "putting the matter to rest."

Matthews also accused Campbell of "feeding the wacko wing of your party," and held up what he called a copy of the supposed Obama birth certificate."

-end snip-

Newmax, July 22, 2009 6:33 PM: Chris Matthews Wrong on Obama Birth Certificate

[MHGinTN]

As per the usual, Newsmax gets it wrong on the fundamentals:

"... his campaign has released only his certification of live birth from the state of Hawaii, which is a document that offers a summarized version of the birth certificate." Sorry, Newsmax, there is zero evidence that what Barry rel;eased on line is actually a genuine Hawaii issued CoLB. HI has never verified the exhibit so many are accepting from this proven lying sob.

[MHGinTN]

BP2 posted the following example of an amended CoLB. We have people scouring the HI laws to find the specific statute which mandates that alterted BCs and vital records generate an "Amended" on the face of subsequent issued CoLBs and copies of the long forms.

[crosstimbers]

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/amendment.html

[MissTickly]

“In the end, I expect the judge to likely side with Fukino and the Lt. Gen. Joesting of Hawaii - Leo is already expecting this, too.”

I have not gotten this impression at all from him. On the contrary, he expects the PEOPLE to prevail.=)

[crosstimbers]

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0016.htm

[Future Useless Eater]

Interesting USSC discussion here about "Natural Born Citizens" (one snippet below)

http://www.oyez.org/cases/2000-2009/2000/2000_99_2071/argument

Mr. Davis: Your Honor, I guess the question is whether the term naturalized in the Constitution also encompasses natural born citizens.

In Rogers versus Bellei suggested that it did.

Justice Breyer: Well, I... for present purposes what we're interested in is what standard of review to apply, and whether the extremely deferential standard applies to these natural born citizens.

Mr. Davis: I think it's... I think it's totally clear that jus sanguinis citizenship has a different history than naturalized citizenship and has traditionally by this Court as well as by Congress been treated differently.

Justice Scalia: But has not been called natural born citizenship?

I mean, isn't it clear that the natural born requirement in the Constitution was intended explicitly to exclude some Englishmen who had come here and spent some time here and then went back and raised their families in England?

They did not want that.

They wanted natural born Americans.

Mr. Davis: Yes, by the same token...

Justice Scalia: That is jus soli, isn't it?

Mr. Davis: By the same token, one could say that the provision would apply now to ensure that Congress can't apply suspect classifications to keep certain individuals from aspiring to those offices.

Justice Scalia: Well, maybe.

I'm just referring to the meaning of natural born within the Constitution.

I don't think you're disagreeing.

It requires jus soli, doesn't it?

Mr. Davis: No, Your Honor, I do disagree with that.

I believe that it encompasses jus sanguinis citizenship.

Justice Ginsburg: And any academic right is... there's a debate over that?

Mr. Davis: Is a debate over it, that's correct...

Justice Ginsburg: There is a debate over whether my grandson is a natural born citizen.

I think he is.

Mr. Davis: whether he can be Vice President.

Justice Stevens: Of course the interesting thing about that provision, it requires that he be natural born at the time of the adoption of the Constitution.

That's what it literally says.

Unidentified Justice: [Laughter]

[Piquaboy]

He will be as sorely missed as Dasshole.

[Danae]

If Obama had the Adoption legally nullified, his COLB would have reverted back to the original form, with out the amended language on it.