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MSNBC Implies People Skeptical Of Government Are Psychologically Insane
TruthSeeker24's anti-N.W.O. corner ^ | July 28, 2009 | Paul Joseph Watson

Posted on 07/28/2009 6:38:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

During a discussion of the Obama birth certificate controversy, MSNBC host Chris Matthews and his guests implied that anyone who questions the official 9/11 story, thinks the Bilderberg group are exercising power to create a world government, people who are worried about gun control and immigration, or even people who are merely skeptical of government, are psychologically insane.

Responding to Matthews’ implication that people who had questions about Obama’s birthplace were “full mooners” and insane, MSNBC political analyst Howard Fineman included “people who are worried about the government taking up the guns, people who deny the federal government has a right to tax your income, people who are worried about being overrun at the borders,” in the same category and said they were merely looking for a reason to find a conspiracy behind Obama.

Matthews then brought up a psychological test which featured the question, “Is somebody chasing you right now?,” implying that anyone who doubts what the government tells them would answer in the affirmative, before asking, “Are we talking psychological problems here with people or what?”

Politico writer Ken Vogel then characterized people who question 9/11 and people who think Bilderberg are working towards a world government as a group that Republicans need to “watch out for” if they want to avoid being marginalized.

Matthews then said he was “in love” with Vogel because he had reminded him of “all the androgynous zones of insanity,” before cracking a lame joke about George W. Bush detonating the twin towers with a plunger.

Vogel then responded by including Ron Paul and supporters in the mix, noting that they embrace an “innate distrust of federal government,” again in the same context that to do so is a display of insanity.

Essentially, Matthews and his guests are implying that anyone who doubts the government’s official 9/11 story, anyone who believes the Bilderberg group have influence or power, anyone concerned about gun control and open borders, and anyone who is just generally skeptical or doesn’t trust government, is on the fringes of society, is potentially psychologically insane and may need treatment.

This is of course manifestly absurd – if embracing any one of those concerns deems one to be psychologically unstable and on the “fringes” then the majority of the American people would be classified as psychologically insane.

Indeed, only yesterday Rep. Collin Peterson, a Democrat, told Politico, “Twenty-five percent of my people believe the Pentagon and Rumsfeld were responsible for taking the twin towers down.”

In addition, a 2006 Zogby poll revealed that “less than half of the American public trusts the official 9/11 story or believes the attacks were adequately investigated.”

Does more than half of the population of America constitute a “fringe” element? It seems that Matthews, Vogel and Fineman aren’t as “mainstream” as they apparently thought they were – they are in fact the minority.

In reality, it is Matthews and his fellow establishment peanut gallery talking heads that need psychological help, embracing as they do some bizarre cult-like faith that government is angelic and can be completely trusted without skepticism.

As we have seen before in history, the designation of political opinions deemed to be antagonistic towards or even merely skeptical of the state is a hallmark of tyranny.

As Kurt Nimmo wrote last week in a story about a German man who was sent to a psychiatric institute for protesting Obama;

In the former Soviet Union, psikhushkas — mental hospitals — were used by the state as prisons in order to isolate political prisoners, discredit their ideas, and break them physically and mentally. The Soviet state began using mental hospitals to punish dissidents in 1939 under Stalin. The Psychiatric Prison Hospital in the city of Kazan was transferred to NKVD (the secret police organization for the People’s Commissariat for Internal Affairs) control and in 1969 Yuri Andropov, the head of KGB, submitted to the Central Committee of Communist Party of the Soviet Union a plan for creating a network of psikhushkas.

According to official Soviet psychiatry and the Moscow Serbsky Institute at the time, “ideas about a struggle for truth and justice are formed by personalities with a paranoid structure.” Treatment for this special political schizophrenia included various forms of restraint, electric shocks, electromagnetic torture, radiation torture, lumbar punctures, various drugs — such as narcotics, tranquilizers, and insulin — and beatings. Anne Applebaum, author of Gulag: A History, indicates that at least 365 sane people were treated for “politically defined madness,” although she surmises there were many more.

It now appears that the corporate media are taking their cue from the Stalinist dictatorship of the Soviet Union, and in alliance with government guidelines which characterize people with similar political beliefs as dangerous extremists and potential terrorists, are denouncing people who are skeptical of government as thought criminals who should be dismissed as mentally ill cranks.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: bho44; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; msm; obama; presstitutes; truthers
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In other words, if you're not a far left wing kook extremist, Homosexual pervert, baby killer, street walker, welfare mother, communist, fascist, felon, Muslim terrorist, earth worm worshiper, racist, tax evader, or human mutant, there's something wrong with you.
He wants us to clean up our act and join them. (WT....?)
21 posted on 07/28/2009 7:02:29 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Do these clowns at MSNBC are seeking the same path that the old Soviet Union did to their people ?


22 posted on 07/28/2009 7:05:25 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...people who are worried about gun control and immigration, or even people who are merely skeptical of government, are psychologically insane.

Responding to Matthews’ implication that people who had questions about Obama’s birthplace were “full mooners” and insane, MSNBC political analyst Howard Fineman included “people who are worried about the government taking up the guns, people who deny the federal government has a right to tax your income, people who are worried about being overrun at the borders,” in the same category and said they were merely looking for a reason to find a conspiracy behind Obama.

Real simple sport. If you trust your government, particularly the one we have now with obama at the helm, you my friend are insane.

Of course there are people out there that want to remove all firearms from the hands of private citizens. To deny that is a bald-faced lie. If the government thought it could get away with it, they would do it tomorrow.

We're not worried about immigration. However, we are very concerned about illegal immigration, smuggling, and in a broader sense border security. If you aren't, you are either a one-world let's all be one big happy family idealist, a fool to rely on the good intentions of others, or sadly misinformed. There are people out there who wish us harm. They are looking for ways to do us harm. We either secure our borders, or suffer the consequences. There is no touchy-feely middle ground.

I absolutely do not think the government has "a right" to tax my income. As citizens we are (supposedly) protected by and represented by our government. That doesn't happen for free. So as a citizen I believe I am obligated to help pay for this common defense. However, there is nothing magical about an income tax. The government has no intrinsic "right" to tax me. The federal, state, and local budgets could be funded just as easily solely by a sales tax.

Is there a conspiracy behind obama? Yes, I believe there is. obama is hiding something. Almost all the records of his youth have disappeared or been sealed. His birth certificate and eligibility to be President remains an open question. The only "proof" offered of his citizenship has been a "short form" certificate of live birth. In Hawaii, at that time, anyone could get a COLB, even if they were not a natural born US citizen. There are conflicting stories regarding obama's long-form or full birth certificate. Someone said they saw it, someone said obama has it. Some others claim Hawaii destroyed them in 2001 and went paperless so he couldn't possibly have it. Others have stated he cannot produce it because he cannot find it. Too many contradictions - someone (one or more people) is obviously lying. For added fun, the address listed on the COLB is not and never has been an obama residence. So this is obviously incorrect, possibly made-up when someone was falsifying the COLB. Simply put, if there is nothing worth hiding in the real documentation of obama's youth, why are he and his cohorts (in crime?) spending so much time, money, and political capital to keep them sealed? Why is obama in such a rush to ram his version of a socialist/fascist paradise down our collective throats? Is it because he knows his days in office are numbered? Counted by the various court challenges he now faces?

In short, there are lots of reasons to disagree with MSNBC... We are not insane, they are at best foolish and naive, but more probably just drinking the obama kool-aid afraid to admit they backed a nightmare.

23 posted on 07/28/2009 7:18:32 PM PDT by CodeMasterPhilzar (I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom. You can keep the "change.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mr. Matthews, a fully rabid dog is LESS INSANE than yourself. Please take your stupidity, your annoying voice, and your thrilled leg away, far far away.


24 posted on 07/28/2009 7:21:28 PM PDT by chris37
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What is the latest American opinion poll concerning the U.S Congress?

What is the latest opinion poll on Zero?

Chrissy is putting, what, well over 100 million Americans into his “crazy” category.....

It is the insane leftists who are driving this country toward disaster.

Those who continue to support this DRIVE TO DISASTER - either willingly (they favor Stalinist / Marxist / Maoist principles) or due to their derangement syndrome helped along by the MSM brainwashing .....simply are beyond help until the disasters continue to mount.

But would I suggest mental institutions for them?
No - I would suggest moving them to N. Korea or Cuba.....for a minimum 10 year period.

Then they can come back and help us rebuild what will be left of this country by then.


25 posted on 07/28/2009 7:23:32 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Jeff Head

LOL

They’re soooo funny, those azzes belong in the funny farm
or animal farm.


26 posted on 07/28/2009 7:26:30 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Many lge corp. successes started with a sm bus., an entrepreneur & a dream. 0 is killing that dream)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Of course, right....

Under Bush, liberal/Dem. dissent and skepticism of government = patriotic.

Under Barry, conservative/Repub. dissent and skepticism of government = “psychologically insane,” unpatriotic, etc.

Wonderful. =.=


27 posted on 07/28/2009 7:28:41 PM PDT by cranked
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I used to thing those who thought our politicans and elite would betray our constitutional freedom and government were nuts... But things are unfolding as the nuts said they would... Now I’m a not too.

We no longer have a constitutional republic. We have an oligarchy.


28 posted on 07/28/2009 7:31:34 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We surround them.

No one watches MSNBC. It's a dinosaur.

Liberals are too dumb to realize how dumb they really are.

29 posted on 07/28/2009 7:39:29 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: JavaJumpy

EVERY 9/11 conspiracist and/or Bilderberg follower I know is a liberal!

It’s called projection. Just finished Jonah Goldbeg’s “Liberal Fascism”. And how the modern liberals call those who disagree with them fascists. The modern liberals and the facists are in fact cut from the same cloth.


30 posted on 07/28/2009 7:46:29 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (From this point forward the Democratic Party will be referred to as the Communist Party)
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To: Fred Hayek

Well better check myself into the loony bin.


31 posted on 07/28/2009 7:48:09 PM PDT by Cheryllynn
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Would that include one of their own, Bill Richardson?
________________

Bill Richardson: Obama is an Immigrant

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2143475/posts


32 posted on 07/28/2009 7:49:38 PM PDT by JavaJumpy
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To: Caribou

Excellent.


33 posted on 07/28/2009 8:37:47 PM PDT by freedomconservationist
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To: grey_whiskers

I would guess that there’s mandatory “voluntary” treatment, paid for by the U.S. Health Care System.


34 posted on 07/28/2009 8:38:39 PM PDT by freedomconservationist
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To: Neidermeyer

So that means what, 90% is more accurate for the mental disorders in the United States then? Something’s got to give.

Who do people believe, a licensed doctor or MSNBC? Who would a rational person believe, and who would an insane person believe? Is this your point?

I’ll have to order this book :)


35 posted on 07/28/2009 8:42:12 PM PDT by freedomconservationist
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To: steelyourfaith

Hmmm... I wonder which era provides more accurate news coverage... ours or our forefathers’.


36 posted on 07/28/2009 8:43:30 PM PDT by freedomconservationist
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To: CodeMasterPhilzar

My friend, you have your facts wrong.

Not in any sense that a liberal would tell you, but there are some shortcomings.

Obama’s COLB was supposedly issued in 2007, on 2008 paper. The birth certificate remains on file with the State of Hawaii, so they say.

I agree on pretty much everything else. The only reason to fear the private ownership of guns is if you intend to do something that will make them angry enough to use them. So, what does this mean for people who mean to take them away?


37 posted on 07/28/2009 9:09:31 PM PDT by freedomconservationist
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To: Jeff Head

Sounds like typical Microsoft idiocy. “If you’re not like us, you’re wrong”. As an Information Technology professional, I don’t like using their software because there’s no transparency, and it costs too much to get training that yields too little results, and they produce software that even they recommend wiping out and re-installing every 6 months. Why is this? They can produce nothing that is good enough to last in perpetuity, or that will scale up to a significant amount of users without breaking. Sound anything like the policies being proposed in our government lately?


38 posted on 07/28/2009 9:26:17 PM PDT by freedomconservationist
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To: freedomconservationist
Here's how it will work (from the aforementioned The Ball and the Cross:

The tall man sitting on the gravel bowed with urbanity, and said: "Quite at your service. Not to be confused with the Wilkinsons of Cumberland; and as I say, old boy, what have you done with my yacht? You see, they've locked me up here--in this garden--and a yacht would be a sort of occupation for an unmarried man."

"I am really horribly sorry," began Turnbull, in the last stage of bated bewilderment and exasperation, "but really----"

"Oh, I can see you can't have it on you at the moment," said Mr. Wilkinson with much intellectual magnanimity.

"Well, the fact is----" began Turnbull again, and then the phrase was frozen on his mouth, for round the corner came the goatlike face and gleaming eye-glasses of Dr. Quayle.

"Ah, my dear Mr. Wilkinson," said the doctor, as if delighted at a coincidence; "and Mr. Turnbull, too. Why, I want to speak to Mr. Turnbull."

Mr. Turnbull made some movement rather of surrender than assent, and the doctor caught it up exquisitely, showing even more of his two front teeth. "I am sure Mr. Wilkinson will excuse us a moment." And with flying frock-coat he led Turnbull rapidly round the corner of a path.

"My dear sir," he said, in a quite affectionate manner, "I do not mind telling you--you are such a very hopeful case--you understand so well the scientific point of view; and I don't like to see you bothered by the really hopeless cases. They are monotonous and maddening. The man you have just been talking to, poor fellow, is one of the strongest cases of pure idee fixe that we have. It's very sad, and I'm afraid utterly incurable. He keeps on telling everybody"--and the doctor lowered his voice confidentially--"he tells everybody that two people have taken is yacht. His account of how he lost it is quite incoherent."

Turnbull stamped his foot on the gravel path, and called out: "Oh, I can't stand this. Really----"

"I know, I know," said the psychologist, mournfully; "it is a most melancholy case, and also fortunately a very rare one. It is so rare, in fact, that in one classification of these maladies it is entered under a heading by itself--Perdinavititis, mental inflammation creating the impression that one has lost a ship. Really," he added, with a kind of half-embarrassed guilt, "it's rather a feather in my cap. I discovered the only existing case of perdinavititis."

"But this won't do, doctor," said Turnbull, almost tearing his hair, "this really won't do. The man really did lose a ship. Indeed, not to put too fine a point on it, I took his ship."

Dr. Quayle swung round for an instant so that his silk-lined overcoat rustled, and stared singularly at Turnbull. Then he said with hurried amiability: "Why, of course you did. Quite so, quite so," and with courteous gestures went striding up the garden path. Under the first laburnum-tree he stopped, however, and pulling out his pencil and notebook wrote down feverishly: "Singular development in the Elenthero-maniac, Turnbull. Sudden manifestation of Rapinavititis--the delusion that one has stolen a ship. First case ever recorded."

Cheers!

39 posted on 07/28/2009 10:20:17 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

YES - and explains their dire rating; Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.


40 posted on 07/29/2009 12:25:34 AM PDT by Altera (See, "Culture of Corruption" by Michelle Malkin)
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