Posted on 12/25/2008 7:55:05 PM PST by Soliton
After 10 years and many thousands of replies, I am leaving FR.
I don't really care, and I don't know why anyone else would.
I am leaving before I am banned (again). Truth doesn't seem to matter on FR. I don't know if it is donations or sympathetic opinions that do, but I have been suspended twice when I followed the rules and the people who complained to the moderators didn't, yet the moderators sided with them.
For the record, evolution is a fact and the Shroud of Turin is a fraud. I would prove it if the admin moderators would let me, but they won't. Your resident "expert", Swordmaker won't debate me because he can't.
I will work to build a forum where members have rights and truth matters.
Merry Christmas
If you are interested in an ID site that still allows open debate, you could try here.
http://telicthoughts.com/death-of-a-popular-anti-id-argument/
I’m assuming you’re sufggesting what you are because you feel the htread was taken off topic- however, Soliton made hte somment he could ‘prove evolution’ however, I posted an indirect challenge to that claim and posted hte relevent links & Coyoteman responded- While htis might be Sopliton’s farewell thread, it also was an indirect challenge to ID- and therefore the subsequent subject matter is still on topic- those hwo have wished to bid him farewell have doen so, and can still continue to do so- As well- Soliton himself has since responded to others in a negative manner, and htey have relavently responded to those as well.
No, it wasn’t because this thread has been taken off topic. This thread really has no central topic anymore, LOL. And you’ll notice that I said Soliton essentially did this to himself by being an ass, but that all goes back to the idea of respecting others and letting things go, which I think is a lesson some people on both sides coudl learn
. I said what I did because this thread is a lot like a whole bunch of other threads that DO have legitimate topics that get way off track because of debates concerning evolution/creation.
Wow. I leave town and miss all the fun. Thanks for the ping.
Hope you had a wonderful Christmas. :)
I do try to keep that in mind- but really the only threads I really post on are the science threads which usually are evo/creation threads anyways
Truly, mortal men are traveling worldlines "in" space and time. As such all mortal men suffer from the observer problem - only God can see "all that there is" all at once. Objective truth is knowable only to Him and can only be received by His revelation.
To God be the glory!
Cheers!
...oh, and Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas to you and Happy New Year, dear grey_whiskers!
You call the anti-Christian bigotry you spew on this site "teaching?"
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
BTW, teachers answer questions, so why don't you answer this one?
Do you believe eliminating religion should be a main goal of working scientists?
That's a simple yes or no question.
But my dear VoiceofXmasPast, this "brain business" of yours is a naked assertion and nothing more. For it to be anything more, you'd have to put some actual evidence on the table, and explain how you analyzed it to come up with such a conclusion.
Don't bash me with slogans, show me the details of your reasoning.
But I do gather from your statement you think by simply annointing one's self with the title "atheist" that one can cancel one's existing human nature, escape all personal responsibility and natural obligation to others past, present, and future; and "evolve" into some sort of brave new world of so-called "freedom" — according to a purely human model, designed according to "reason" so-called — whose ultimate (chimerical!) goal is to create "a system so perfect that no one will need to be good."
Fat chance!!! Looks like a model of life-denying "escapism" to me....
In the Old Testament and classical Greek and Roman traditions, persons found to be thinking in this way were thought to be pneumopsychopaths, a condition typified as (1) denial of the absolute reality of God (Israel); and/or (2) "contempt for reason" (Greece, Rome). Go figure!!! :^)
"Freedom" as typically understood today is falsely conceived. This so-called "freedom" is a complete illusion: For there can be no worse form of slavery on this planet than total regard to one's own narrowly-conceived, concupiscent, unchecked, personal (and often bodily) self-interest.
I gather that atheist thinkers tend to think of freedom as "freedom from." Funny thing, that: Christian believers tend to think of freedom as "freedom for. "
Maybe that's why the gulf between the two seems insurmountable....
BTW, if you are going to aver that "brain" is somehow the equivalent of "thinker," truly I'd love to see your evidence and reasoning. I hear that sort of thing all the time nowadays, but I have yet to encounter a single scrap of evidence that your statement is valid, either on scientific or epistemological grounds.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
YIKES!!!!!! LOLOL!
And Happy New Year dear grey_whiskers!
Beautiful and so elegantly stated, and above all, true. Real Truth is always beautiful.
You see, that's what you don't get. I'm not concerned about you "associating" me with Dominionists any more than I'm concerned you might associate me with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, and that goes for your efforts to "associate" any more than a handful of American Christians with these ideas. You might as well be saying that I'm a ham sandwich because both I and the sandwich contain protein, or saying that I'm a child molester and murderer because John Wayne Gacy and I have both lived in Illinois. Your assertion is such a non-sequitur that the word "non-sequitur" isn't strong enough to describe it!
One of the ludicrous articles you cited as "proof" of the Dominionist threat against America and Science named Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America as a prominent Dominionist. Well then, if you, Coyoteman, support the Second Amendment, you too support the aims of Domininists and are just biding your time until the day you can ban Astronomy! Welcome to the team, sir! We'll let you in even though your position on evolution associates you with Lenin, Stalin and Margaret Sanger. We'll need all the troops we can get if we're going to oppress all those Presbyterians and Methodists on schedule.
Now, let's not forget what you were asked in the post you were replying to with another ludicrous accusation:
Do you believe eliminating religion should be a main goal of working scientists?
That's a simple yes or no question.
thank you kindly, little jeremiah!
It seems to me God is the only objective observer there can be, for the very simple reason that He is not caught up in the net of space and time of the Creation He made; He is not Himself contingent on anything beyond Himself; that is, He is utterly, timelessly self-subsistent (i.e., uncaused) Being. He stands outside of the creation He made, and thus is the only one who can see it all "entire," from Alpha to Omega, all at once — past, present, and future — and also in terms of the purpose of His creating in the first place (i.e., "in the beginning").
How much knowledge do we human beings really think we have, when we get only partial views of reality, and those filtered through five narrow lenses of sensory perception? What can we actually say we know about something whose past is obscured to us, and whose future is yet to be actualized?
Man can't do that sort of thing!
But God can. And does. And He reaches out to us to clue us in....
To God be the glory!
Damn. I thought it was the new calendar year of the New Messiah which has next year its year zero in recognition of his ascendancy to power.
For use in archaeology your name would be read as Common Era 2949 Before Barack.
That would translate as either 940 BC (Before Christ) or 940 BCE (Before Common Era) in the current pre-Barack calendar.
What’s interesting is that his real name does have an interesting connection to something along those lines. Out of respect for him, I won’t reveal it, but it’s not impossible to determine. I rather enjoyed figuring it out.
On that note, someone should create a puzzle thread on FR for challenging, ORIGINAL puzzles and games. They’re quite easy and fun to do in this tech age in which we all live.
A man was on the porch roof of his farm house during Katrina as the flood waters were rising. He prayed: "God, save me from this disaster." He prayed very hard.While he was praying a large truck came by, sloshing through the five foot deep swirling waters, with several people on the bed, and the driver said "Come on, I'll take you to higher ground."
The man on the porch roof said, "No, that's all right. I have my faith in God and He will save me." He prayed harder as the truck drove on to the next farm house.
The water kept rising and now it was twelve feet high and the man had climbed onto the roof of his farm house and was sitting a-straddle of the peak. Several hours later a boat came by and the pilot of the boat said "Hop in."
The man on the roof said, "No, I don't need to, my faith in God will rescue me. I'm waiting for Him." The pilot of the boat said "Suit your self" and sailed away. The man prayed harder.
A couple of hours later, the water was over the roof and the man was standing on his chimney, clinging to his TV antenna. A helicopter came flying low over head and the pilot yelled down, "Hold on, we'll send a rope down! Tie it around you and we'll pull you up!"
The man said, "I trust in God! He will save me!" and refused to tie the rope around himself. He prayed even harder as the frustrated helicopter pilot and crew flew off.
The water rose even higher until it swept the house and the man away. He drowned—and suddenly the found himself facing the Judgement Seat. He faced God and said "I trusted in you! Why didn't you save me?! Where were you?!"
God shook his head and said "I sent you a truck, a boat, and a helicopter. What more did you want? A miracle?"
Sometimes CE, the miracle IS the doctor with his medicine and technology just being there when it is needed.
I figured that when I read your reply to GE after I posted my tongue in cheek comment. ;^)>
Wm Jennings Bryan would be proud: populism won
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