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To: VoiceofXmasPast; Alamo-Girl; spirited irish; Soliton; metmom; hosepipe; svcw
See, by being an atheist,"deny[ing] the soul" isn't a problem. "[S]ubjective experience, the ability to think, etc." is the province of the brain, not of some mystical, magical soul.

But my dear VoiceofXmasPast, this "brain business" of yours is a naked assertion and nothing more. For it to be anything more, you'd have to put some actual evidence on the table, and explain how you analyzed it to come up with such a conclusion.

Don't bash me with slogans, show me the details of your reasoning.

But I do gather from your statement you think by simply annointing one's self with the title "atheist" that one can cancel one's existing human nature, escape all personal responsibility and natural obligation to others past, present, and future; and "evolve" into some sort of brave new world of so-called "freedom" — according to a purely human model, designed according to "reason" so-called — whose ultimate (chimerical!) goal is to create "a system so perfect that no one will need to be good."

Fat chance!!! Looks like a model of life-denying "escapism" to me....

In the Old Testament and classical Greek and Roman traditions, persons found to be thinking in this way were thought to be pneumopsychopaths, a condition typified as (1) denial of the absolute reality of God (Israel); and/or (2) "contempt for reason" (Greece, Rome). Go figure!!! :^)

"Freedom" as typically understood today is falsely conceived. This so-called "freedom" is a complete illusion: For there can be no worse form of slavery on this planet than total regard to one's own narrowly-conceived, concupiscent, unchecked, personal (and often bodily) self-interest.

I gather that atheist thinkers tend to think of freedom as "freedom from." Funny thing, that: Christian believers tend to think of freedom as "freedom for. "

Maybe that's why the gulf between the two seems insurmountable....

BTW, if you are going to aver that "brain" is somehow the equivalent of "thinker," truly I'd love to see your evidence and reasoning. I hear that sort of thing all the time nowadays, but I have yet to encounter a single scrap of evidence that your statement is valid, either on scientific or epistemological grounds.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

670 posted on 12/29/2008 9:42:18 PM PST by betty boop
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