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Email President Bush and confront him about his stand for homosexuals
Agape press ^ | 1/26/03 | Tony Horton

Posted on 01/26/2003 6:53:20 PM PST by TonyTheTigger

To: president@whitehouse.gov; vice.president@whitehouse.gov Subject: Email President Bush and confront him about his stand for homosexuals

Dear Mr. President this is what the web page seen by millions will say. I also have a rather large size mailing list I will send this out to.

Email President Bush and confront him about his stand for homosexuals

To: president@whitehouse.gov, vice.president@whitehouse.gov

You will not receive my vote and I will make web pages after web pages exposing you for the fence straddling liar you have become. Ignore this if you want.... I will make good on what I promised you.

If this story is false I will not do what I have said. If I get no response I will take it to mean your guilty.

Bush White House, Clinton White House ... No Difference on Homosexuality

News from Agape Press

http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/1/242003b.asp

A former voter for you,

Tony Horton


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To: xzins
Just bring in some HIV lab tests and AIDS rates will absolutely plummet. At the same time GW gets the credit.

I agree but unfortunately he’d get tagged as a homophobe.

261 posted on 01/28/2003 9:18:29 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: George W. Bush
Check your mail
262 posted on 01/28/2003 9:25:41 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks
WOW, my best buddy, a Southern Baptist, is a little right of you,...

I'm not sure that is actually possible.
263 posted on 01/28/2003 9:27:47 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: xzins
"salvation is by grace through faith and NOT by denomination."

You are correct. That is my opinion.

264 posted on 01/28/2003 9:29:46 PM PST by SpookBrat
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To: George W. Bush
I'm not sure that is actually possible.

Hehehe ;)

265 posted on 01/28/2003 9:32:00 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: TonyTheTigger
Just tell me what you like about queers and what you do not like about the policy from either president ?

Have you applied to be accepted by the Log Cabin ? I guess in your state of --------------- I replied to the wrong person like you did . You are forgiven .

266 posted on 01/28/2003 9:46:44 PM PST by Ben Bolt (Why does the left always come across as pissed off & so frustrated ?)
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To: TonyTheTigger
Looks like you are more new than you thought ..... See you in another world you choose kid .
267 posted on 01/28/2003 9:49:14 PM PST by Ben Bolt (Why does the left always come across as pissed off & so frustrated ?)
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To: sinkspur
......then you're galactically dopey

I love that scene between Cruise and Moore.

268 posted on 01/28/2003 10:18:59 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: xzins; angelo
I reread most of the thread and am even more sympathetic to Tony than I was when I posted. As I see it,a man posts on the Religious forum a request that people e-mail Mr.Bush and asks him for an explanation of why Mr. Thacker is no longer on a Commission to look at something or other about AIDS. He probably thought he would get some support or at least discusssion.

Well, look at the first response,it probably knocked the pins out from under him.I would have felt personally attacked and I think Tony got discombobulated and while he did try to bring more information to the threads,very few people were willing to stay on point.And,he got more and more excited and accusatory.

The thread deteriorated to posters defending Bush and some constitutional references to rights and a lot of back and forth about religious denominations.

I am somewhat in agreement with those of you who said you could not judge Bush's commitment to conservatism based on his spokesperson's statement about his distancing himself from Thacker's statement about the "Gay Plague",I found in the other information a clear commitment to things ordinarily not espoused by conservatives.For ezample Fleisher said "The President's view is people with AIDS need to be treated with care,compassion and that's why his budget has provided so much money to help in the fight against AIDS"

Then if you read Remedy's post and other posts about the money dedicated to research and education and factor in the skyrocketing insurance costs now that so many government and private sector employers are paying for partners maybe you will see what Tony saw.Follow the money and connect dots. Things are a mess.

269 posted on 01/28/2003 11:06:00 PM PST by saradippity
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To: saradippity; George W. Bush; rdb3
Since there is no HIV test available in Africa...

Where do you get your info? Biker bars?

You'll be surprised to learn they actually have cement buildings in Africa, and toilets, and hospitals, and families, and televisions, and HIV tests.

Here's an interesting statistic from the CDC that I haven't found an explanation for:

Take two junkies, one black and one white. Identical socio-economic backgrounds, same age, same health...everything equal, except one is black and one is white. The black junkie is 14 times as likely to contract AIDS as the white junkie.

14 times.

As far as medical stats go, that's astounding.

But we're not supposed to think about it; certainly not bleed over it, as you caution me. Because if we were, we'd see the dying faces of millions of black children on network news every night.

Instead, we watch "Survivor."

270 posted on 01/29/2003 12:31:08 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: xzins
A late night Ping to #270 to you, too, X. (I've got to start reading these things in order)

Prayers for the President's strength and stamina, and for the safety of all our own.

271 posted on 01/29/2003 12:41:32 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I've heard that the AIDS crisis in Africa is based on cases that have been diagnosed by syptoms rather than by HIV tests. Is that accurate?

Other than that, I've noticed your concern with this issue over the last few days. What did you think of the President's speech last night? He hit strongly on the AIDS in Africa theme.

What about the speech overall?
272 posted on 01/29/2003 3:43:11 AM PST by xzins (Prepare Ye the way of the Lord.)
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To: saradippity
To: president@whitehouse.gov; vice.president@whitehouse.gov Subject: Email President Bush and confront him about his stand for homosexuals Dear Mr. President this is what the web page seen by millions will say. I also have a rather large size mailing list I will send this out to. Email President Bush and confront him about his stand for homosexuals To: president@whitehouse.gov, vice.president@whitehouse.gov You will not receive my vote and I will make web pages after web pages exposing you for the fence straddling liar you have become. Ignore this if you want.... I will make good on what I promised you. If this story is false I will not do what I have said. If I get no response I will take it to mean your guilty. Bush White House, Clinton White House ... No Difference on Homosexuality News from Agape Press http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/1/242003b.asp A former voter for you, Tony Horton

There it is Sardippity...in its entirety.

There's nothing in there about Thacker. There's nothing in there really except. "Petition Pres. Bush and say 'You lose my support because of your SUPPORT for homosexuality.'"

Many asked where he was coming from. Instead of answers from Tony they got zinged by Tony. It was a simple request. They wanted him to build his case. They wanted to hear the limits of his idea in terms of dealing with other free Americans.

273 posted on 01/29/2003 3:50:34 AM PST by xzins (Prepare Ye the way of the Lord.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; xzins
You'll be surprised to learn they actually have cement buildings in Africa, and toilets, and hospitals, and families, and televisions, and HIV tests.

HIV test[s] are too expensive for the WHO to administer to every suspected patient. Instead the WHO has the following diagnostic policy

”AIDS in Africa was defined by the World Health Organization in their Banguie meeting as a combination of fever, persistent cough, diarrhea, and a 10% loss of body weight in two months. No HIV or any other test is required. “

274 posted on 01/29/2003 4:58:09 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks; Dr. Eckleburg
I have heard this before. The incidence of false positives is an issue but is not an overriding one. The use of symptoms to diagnose is. If you have a single elisa test AND you have the symptoms, then you have a lot.

If all you have is a diagnosis based on symptoms, then you are in the midst of a crap shoot.

Your quote was from the Univ of Wisconsin web site, poly sci deptmt. Do you know those folks?
275 posted on 01/29/2003 5:05:26 AM PST by xzins (Prepare Ye the way of the Lord.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; saradippity; Remedy
Take two junkies, one black and one white. Identical socio-economic backgrounds, same age, same health...everything equal, except one is black and one is white. The black junkie is 14 times as likely to contract AIDS as the white junkie. 14 times.

So you adduce from this and the ideas of virus conspiracy folks that the military-industrial complex is depopulating Africa? I don't think there's any proof.

I looked around a bit for info on African AIDS testing standards. One finds many descriptions like the following one:
Notwithstanding, unlike the West, in Africa AIDS is diagnosed without any laboratory tests, patients are classified as AIDS cases without laboratory proof that they have either immunodeficiency or HIV infection. All Africans need to have are various clinical conditions. But the conditions accepted as forming the "S" (syndrome) of "AIDS" in Africa bear no relationship to AIDS in the West.

In the West, AIDS consists of a person's having one or more of approximately 27 relatively rare diseases. In Africa, AIDS as defined by the World Health Organisation 1986/87 Bangui African AIDS definition is no more than a collage of common non-specific symptoms and signs such as cough, fever and diarrhoea, and a few diseases such as tuberculosis (TB) and a cancer called Kaposi's sarcoma, diseases which have been endemic in Africa for generations.
I don't find any compelling reason to believe that HIV has a true affinity only for blacks and sodomites. But I do know there is a lot of money and politics involved in maintaining the notion of a heterosexual AIDS crisis in Africa. But there is no actual proof of this in Africa. Even if there were, no one has demonstrated that the transmission was by normal heterosexual means.
276 posted on 01/29/2003 5:45:16 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush; xzins; Clint N. Suhks
The rationalizations surrounding AIDS are baffling and disheartening.

The latest answer why black Africa is "killing itself" is apparently now the "misreporting of actual cases." All those millions of deaths, from what?

Something has dropped life expectancy from 70 to 45 in a decade. In the last 25 years, have Africans suddenly stopped a particuar practice or started some habit, unknown before 1976? What is the differential that explains why almost 50 percent of the continent will die off in the next 10 years? Not having enough proper test kits does not explain the ungodly surge in deaths.

Are these numbers not so staggering that you feel compelled to understand them better, as a human being?

Remember, my question about the black and white junkies pertains only to the U.S. We have all means of diagnostic testing available here. What's your explanation for the statistical discrepancy between control groups of black and white junkies?

It's a question worthy of consideration. Any of us with time enough to debate eschatology on the internet probably has the time to do a little reading on this subject...from a variety of sources.

It's all about the numbers.

277 posted on 01/29/2003 8:59:43 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: George W. Bush
military-industrial complex

Why bring this into it? Are the numbers themselves not enough to question?

Those are Eisenhower's words; not mine.

278 posted on 01/29/2003 9:03:41 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: saradippity; xzins
"Many of you were unkind if not vicious."

Tony was unkind, viscious, ignorant, and inarticulate. - Other than that, he was a fine freeper in the tradition of MOJO ;o)

279 posted on 01/29/2003 9:07:58 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Best policy RE: Environmentalists, - ZERO TOLERANCE !!)
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To: xzins
I think I may have gone to the site (Agape press) that he referenced or picked up on it about the third post.Whatever,the thread got off point as do so many when we start to quibble over who is more "Christian" than whom.

Incidentally,I take threads off point myself since I am too cowardly and/or dumb and/or lazy to post a vanity or to post an article for discussion.Because of my own shortcomings,I admire people who try.

280 posted on 01/29/2003 9:19:55 AM PST by saradippity
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