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Fossil Strengthens Dinosaur-Bird Link
discovery online,reuters ^ | feb-14-2002 | reuters

Posted on 02/15/2002 6:20:27 PM PST by green team 1999

Fossil Strengthens Dinosaur-Bird Link


Feb. 14 — A 130 million-year-old newly discovered fossil of a small meat-eating dinosaur found in China is further proof of the evolutionary link between dinosaurs and birds, scientists say.
"This animal is not a direct ancestor to birds but it is a very close cousin. It is from a group called troodontids which is closely related to birds," Peter Makovicky of the Field Museum in Chicago said on Wednesday. The new dinosaur, called Sinovenator changii, was probably feathered and is almost the same age as the oldest known bird Archaeopteryx.

"The similarities in the skeleton between animals like Sinovenator and Archaeopteryx are very striking,"said Makovicky.

Sinovenator was a two-legged predator like the mighty Tyrannosaurus rex but it was the size of a large chicken with a skeleton less than three feet (one meter) long.

It had a bird-like shoulder joint, a wishbone and a pelvic bone that points backward, similar to modern birds and was found in the fossil beds in northeastern China's Liaoning Province, an area that has yielded other important fossils.

"It demonstrates that major structural modification toward birds occurred much earlier in the evolutionary process than previously thought," said Makovicky, who reported the findings in the science journal Nature.

Paleontologists have been strongly divided over whether birds evolved from dinosaurs. But Makovicky, who co-authored the Nature report with colleagues from the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Beijing and the American Museum of Natural History in New York, said the dinosaur fossil should resolve the issue.

"These findings help counter, once and for all, the position of paleontologists who argue that birds did not evolve from dinosaurs," he said.

EVOLUTIONARY TREE

Scientists weren't sure exactly where troodontids were placed in the evolutionary tree because they had features that are present in birds and others found in different dinosaur groups.

Sinovenator will help eliminate some of the confusion, said Makovicky, adding that the fossil also cuts the time gap between the appearance of birds and dinosaurs that are closely related to them.

"The discovery of Sinovenator is important because it is the earliest troodontid dinosaur yet discovered," said Dr. Mark Norell of the American Museum of Natural History.

"It is very close to the age of Archaeopteryx. This means that any perceived problem about differences in age between the origin of birds and the occurrence of small bird-like theropods disappears," he added in a statement.

Theropod dinosaurs, two legged predators such as Sinovenator, and birds have more than 100 similar anatomical features including a wishbone, swiveling wrists and three forward pointing toes.

"Our study suggests that dromaeosaurs (swift running theropods) and troodontids are each others' closest relatives and that those two groups share a close common ancestor with birds," said Makovicky.

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KEYWORDS: caudipteryx; dinosaur; dinosaurs; godsgravesglyphs; maryschweitzer; paleontology
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To: green team 1999
Is this the one that was declared a fake?
21 posted on 11/21/2002 1:13:15 PM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw
Geesh, these evolutionary apologists just will not give up on their fantasy......should I post the BBC link that proved the fraud of the Piltdown Bird?
22 posted on 11/21/2002 1:18:16 PM PST by matthew_the_brain
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To: green team 1999
Nice feathers ...

... added by an evolution-minded artist.

23 posted on 11/21/2002 1:29:26 PM PST by Theo
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To: matthew_the_brain
Piltdown Man was considered a fraud (outside of England) since before 1920. There are old articles in the scientific journals of the time saying that the parts of Piltdown didn't fit evolutionary theory. In the 1950s, carbon dating showed that the parts were not of the same age.
24 posted on 11/21/2002 1:32:52 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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To: matthew_the_brain
Sure post if not too much trouble. Is this *bird* the fake, done up fake in China for the money?
25 posted on 11/21/2002 1:35:23 PM PST by dennisw
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To: VadeRetro
...generally write in sentences.

Shameless intolerance. Proof your are a Republican.

26 posted on 11/21/2002 1:38:42 PM PST by js1138
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To: f.Christian
Without faith in God, all horrors, all of man's worst nightmares, would become possible. And so they did. What men believe really matters."

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

27 posted on 11/21/2002 1:41:32 PM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
Now we have the evolution inquisition...same thing going on...on---on!
28 posted on 11/21/2002 1:50:39 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: dennisw
'Piltdown' bird fake explained



By BBC News Online's Helen Briggs
Forensic analysis of a forged fossil once hailed as a "missing link" between birds and dinosaurs has shed light on its murky origins.



Sadly, parts of at least two significant new specimens were combined in favour of the higher commercial value of the forgery, and both were nearly lost to science

Nature report
Scientists believe that the fake is a mosaic built from at least two, and possibly five, separate specimens.

Two significant fossils were almost lost to science while building the hoax, says an international team from the United States, Canada and China.

The specimen, known as Archaeoraptor, captured the attention of the scientific world when unveiled by the National Geographic Society, US, in October 1999.

It reportedly came from a site in China's Liaoning Province that has yielded a host of exquisitely preserved early birds.



A reconstruction of how the tiny feathered dinosaur might have looked

With its mix of dinosaur and bird-like features, many palaeontologists believed that Archaeoraptor captured the moment in evolution when dinosaurs were experimenting with flight.

But it later emerged that the tail had been glued on to increase the fossil's commercial value before being sold to a dealer.

The tail turned out to be from a new type of bird-like feathered dinosaur - Microraptor - the smallest, adult dinosaur yet discovered.

New bird fossil

Computed Tomography (CT), a technique more common in medical examination, was used to investigate how the forgery was put together.

The analysis was carried out at the University of Texas at Austin, US, in collaboration with experts in China and Canada.



Exposing the fraudsters (Image courtesy of the University of Texas High-Resolution X-ray CT Facility and Nature)

The results suggest that the fossil was built from the front part of the skeleton of an ancient bird, the first of its kind ever seen, cemented on to a slab.

What appear to be random bone fragments of unrelated fossils were stuck on to "complete" the skeleton, making a mosaic that fooled the scientific world.

Dr Timothy Rowe, of the University of Texas at Austin, told BBC News Online: "Now that we know which pieces really do go back together properly and which do not, we can see that there is a new species of extinct bird present in the forgery and that it definitely deserves to be studied and described.

"The tail came from a different animal altogether, and it has already been described and named Microraptor. We may never know where the legs came from."

Piltdown forgery

The Chinese fossil is one in a series of fakes that have fooled paleontologists in the past.

Piltdown man was exposed 40 years after its discovery and recently a dinosaur at the Museum of Wales was shown to be a Victorian hoax.

New forensic techniques, such as those carried out by the Texas team, are increasingly being used to check the authenticity of fossils, said Dr Rowe.

"I would think that insurance companies, auction houses, customs agents, the US Internal Revenue Service, private collectors of fossils, and others with financial stakes in objects like fossils will be concerned and interested in having forensic verification of any specimens that they buy/sell or insure," he told the BBC.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1248079.stm


All of this crappola is eventually proven to be a sham, just as evolution is a huge sham.
29 posted on 11/21/2002 1:55:08 PM PST by matthew_the_brain
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To: matthew_the_brain
The bottom line is that Darwinian evolution is the sine qua non of the New World Order because it almost seamlessly supports too many perversions of the times to be dispensed with. Everything from modern humanistic education, to the sexual revolution, to Dr. Jack Kervorkian, to Eugenics---and way beyond---would be unthinkable without it.

The Brain has spoken......there is nothing else to say
30 posted on 11/21/2002 2:00:16 PM PST by matthew_the_brain
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To: matthew_the_brain
Thanks!!!
31 posted on 11/21/2002 2:02:30 PM PST by dennisw
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To: Asclepius
Apparently your confusion wasn't included in the "some" Sinovenator will help eliminate. Better luck next time.
32 posted on 11/21/2002 2:07:26 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: matthew_the_brain
Gee, Matthew, the date seems to have gone lost on your article. Or did you remove it?

We did a thread on the subject, the current-at-the-time players. Real museum piece now, that one. Jan 17, 2000.

34 posted on 11/21/2002 2:08:15 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: green team 1999
Already been done. Do a google search on "terror birds."
35 posted on 11/21/2002 2:08:26 PM PST by Junior
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To: PatrickHenry
There are no fostitional transils.
36 posted on 11/21/2002 2:09:06 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: js1138
Who woke up the wackos on this dead thread?
37 posted on 11/21/2002 2:12:53 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Notice how the Discovery Institute was right there out front on this one, too, exposing the frauds of the evolutionary scientists.

Errr, never mind...

38 posted on 11/21/2002 2:15:45 PM PST by general_re
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To: general_re


Darwin gave us a way to test his theory by using the fossil record. But Darwin's theory flunks Darwin's test. The theory doesn't fit the facts........Funny that the standard of Survival of the Fittest doesn't seem to apply to the theory that coined the name..........



The "evolutionary tree" is a fiction found only in school textbooks.....and continually perpetuated by wilted hippies still living in the 60's.
39 posted on 11/21/2002 2:18:22 PM PST by matthew_the_brain
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To: dennisw
Is this the one that was declared a fake?

How many variations of this hopeful questions have I seen now? Every new bird fossil announced, some Luddite asks your question. Archaeoraptor was announced in or around Nov. 1999 by National Geographic and retracted by January. It did get included in one article in their magazine in the brief time between.

The catalog of dinosaur-bird transitionals is large, still growing, and does not include Archaeoraptor.

40 posted on 11/21/2002 2:19:34 PM PST by VadeRetro
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