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DOH indirectly confirms: Factcheck COLB date filed and certificate number impossible
Butterdezillion | Feb 23, 2010 | Butterdezillion

Posted on 02/23/2010 8:02:16 AM PST by butterdezillion

I've updated my blog to include the e-mail from Janice Okubo confirming that they assign birth certificate numbers in the state registrar's office and the day they do that is the "Date filed by state registrar".

The pertinent portion from Okubo's e-mail:

In regards to the terms “date accepted” and “date filed” on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. Historically, the terms “Date accepted by the State Registrar” and “Date filed by the State Registrar” referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of O’ahu or on the neighbor islands of Kaua’i, Hawai’i, Maui, Moloka’i, or Lana’i), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of O’ahu) respectively.

MY SUMMARY: As you can see, Okubo said that the “Date filed by the State Registrar” is the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office).

There are no pre-numbered certificates. A certificate given a certificate number on Aug 8th (Obama’s Factcheck COLB) would not be given a later number than a certificate given a number on Aug 11th (the Nordyke certificates).

There is no way that both the date filed and the certificate number can be correct on the Factcheck COLB. The COLB is thus proven to be a forgery.


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To: Danae
"Eggie, your analogy is not only false, your friend doesn't even KNOW that the person he talked to was at all knowledgeable about anything. He admitted he wasn't in the department in 1961, and I can tell you this, in the 1970's things WERE done differently in Hawaii. In 1961 Hawaii had been a state for what 3 years....? and you think that their processes would not have evolved over a period of a decade? Decade and a half(?), when this "person" gained his first hand information?"

I am struggling to understand your point here Danae. It seems to me you are arguing in my favor here. It is blindingly clear that there's nobody around today who was processing birth certificates in Hawaii in 1961... to include Janet Okubo. And it is butterdezillion, not me, who seems to be arguing that the process never changed over the last 50 years... my own position has always been that it most certainly has.

The guy was the best we could find, definitely closer both to the process and the time period than Ms. Okubo. If you don't think he's likely to have a better institutional memory than the Public Relations person, well that is more a reflection on your inexperience with bureaucracies than an argument in favor of butterdezillion's wild speculation.

Texas Buckeye has repeatedly made the point, and I have merely verified it, that butterdezillion can have no actual idea what the process was for processing Hawaiian BCs in 1961, and therefore her assertion that the numbering proves a forgery is well... goofy. You seem to admit that yourself in this post. So... what are we arguing about exactly?

"Because Okubo IS responsible for the information AND getting that information right, she has about a thousand percent more credibility than either you or your friend. She is HELD ACCOUNTABLE for what she says."

How droll... you guys have repeatedly insisted that Okubo is part of the conspiracy, that she has squirmeed and lied and done everything possible to keep the truth from you... and now suddenly you treat her as the paragon of accuracy and accountability?

Exactly how does that work in your world? I for one can make neither heads nor tales of the way you guys think.
541 posted on 02/24/2010 10:57:31 AM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins; All

> In every other place he used his real name?

You tell me, Wiggy. What is his real name?

Was he lying then or is he lying now?


542 posted on 02/24/2010 10:58:16 AM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: little jeremiah

He can’t USURP what he won in the election. If he loses in 2012, and then don’t leave the White House, he would be a USURPER.

The persons trying to OVERTURN the election are you and your fellow Birthers. You have representatives in Congress. If you think something fishy took place, write your Congress critter and tell them to investigate, or start impeachment proceedings.

That would be a whole lot better alternative than running around in circles with phony Kenya birth certificates, secret agent investigators who haven’t got enough sense to interpret some credit report data, assorted psychics who can perform “long distance mental telepathy” analyses of legal bills, and in general, acting like a mob of witch hunters running around the woods and outhouses at night who are trying to figure out who put the hoodoo on Granny Smith’s milk cow.

parsy, who can’t help but find some of this stuff like a free Ed Wood movie....


543 posted on 02/24/2010 10:59:02 AM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: butterdezillion

Excellent, excellent.

He’s fuming now. Making emailing Axelrod or Rahmie about what to say, if he’s a higherup hireling.

This is good. If I ate popcorn I’d pop some.


544 posted on 02/24/2010 10:59:08 AM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: MissTickly; butterdezillion

ROFL

D’oh! Eggie has egg on his face.

Its amazing this poster is still here. He has less credibility than ...Obama... LOL


545 posted on 02/24/2010 10:59:34 AM PST by Danae (Don't like our Constitution? Try living in a country with out one.)
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To: pissant

Me too.

One can sort of smell them, through the ethers.


546 posted on 02/24/2010 10:59:48 AM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: parsifal

You’re losing it.


547 posted on 02/24/2010 11:00:19 AM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: butterdezillion

Hey... that’s the date on the email. Deal with it.


548 posted on 02/24/2010 11:00:38 AM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins

You apparently haven’t yet seen that the DOH office was closed on Feb 5th and your story has been proven as a lie.

You’re using it to gloat over your great find as opposed to my “wild speculation”. The audacity of the lies is absolutely astounding, but I’m glad you posted again so we couls all see how you Obots prance and parade even when you know you’re lying.

The emperor is naked, Ender. You are the emperor. Continue to prance; it will vindicate everything we’ve ever said about how the Obots will smile and parade their superior wisdom as they pollute the air with the filth of their lies.

What happened to you, here, will also happen to Obama and everyone who has covered for him. The truth will not stay hidden forever.


549 posted on 02/24/2010 11:01:52 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: EnderWiggins

Back to the cave troll, I won’t engage you in further conversation regardless of what you post, I won’t even be reading it. You are a troll.


550 posted on 02/24/2010 11:02:38 AM PST by Danae (Don't like our Constitution? Try living in a country with out one.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
“I’ve never apologized for Obama. Not ever. Never defended him. Never praised him.”

You have failed to attack him with sufficient fervor. Nor have you denounced him with adequate passion and zeal in regards to the approved topics.

You filthy, filthy Obot.

551 posted on 02/24/2010 11:02:38 AM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: EnderWiggins

He sent you an e-mail saying that he had been at the DOH office chatting away with all those people for 2 1/2 hours “this afternoon”. But the office was closed.

I’m amazed you can even show your face - er, ender. lol.


552 posted on 02/24/2010 11:03:45 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: little jeremiah

I ain’t the one who thinks them birth announcements was some sinister plot.

parsy, who ain’t lost his marbles


553 posted on 02/24/2010 11:03:51 AM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: BP2

His real name is (as per his birth certificate) Barack Hussein Obama II.

The only place you showed a different name (nicknames are the same name in case you intend to start quibbling about “Barry” vs. “Barack”) was the Indonesian school registration document. And since he was a small child at the time, whoever was responsible for the entry and whatever their reason... it certainly was not him.

So in regards to your question and based upon the evidence youve provided, it does not appear that Obama has ever lied about his name.


554 posted on 02/24/2010 11:05:13 AM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins; All

> I am struggling to understand your point here Danae.

That seems to be a common occurrence with you, Wiggy.

Here, have another sip.

It won't clear your thinking,
but it'll probably make you feel better.



555 posted on 02/24/2010 11:05:42 AM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: butterdezillion

I am sure you are mistaken.

parsy


556 posted on 02/24/2010 11:05:51 AM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: butterdezillion

If you want, I’ll write him back about the discrepancy. But that is what the email says, and that is the date that is one it.

I’m looking right at it.


557 posted on 02/24/2010 11:07:05 AM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: DJ MacWoW

Hey... I’ve got no problem with links and proof. It’s just that with Birthers, there’s often a lot of links that don’t actually prove anything.

All I’m asking is for you guys to connect the dots. It is after all your argument, and i suspect you might want it to actually be understood.


558 posted on 02/24/2010 11:09:13 AM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: little jeremiah

I think Nobama is a liar and don’t believe he was born in Hawaii. He is out to destroy America as we know it. He has refused to prove he is eligible to be president as a natural born citizen. My point is there is nothing anyone can do about it.


559 posted on 02/24/2010 11:10:05 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: EnderWiggins; All

> His real name is (as per his birth certificate)

And where did you see that birth certificate, Wiggy?

Was it presented to and later by FoxNews, CNN or C-SPAN?


Or was it by these two hand-picked partisan hacks?

The truth about Obama's birth certificate (FactCheck.org)
–by Jess Henig, with Joe Miller


Jess Henig has an M.A. in English Literature.
Joe Miller has a Ph. D. in Political Philosophy.


560 posted on 02/24/2010 11:10:17 AM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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