Posted on 10/12/2004 8:42:25 PM PDT by knak
up on drudge:
WASH TIMES: U.S. security officials are investigating a recent intelligence report that a group of 25 Chechen terrorists illegally entered the United States from Mexico... Members of the group, said to be wearing backpacks, secretly traveled to northern Mexico and crossed into a mountainous part of Arizona, Gertz to report in Pgae One Splash, newsroom sources tell DRUDGE...
Do you know that every time the Border patrol picks up people coming across the border and attempts to deport them, the ACLU, amnesty intl., you name it - every bleeding heart liberal group is on their ass to feed them, give them health care, college education, all the stuff we have to earn. I am serious about the patrol - they do get accused of racism if they do their jobs too well.
Fox had a story about a Taliban guy they released for Gitmo who is in Pakistan now holding hostages - all above and Natl Red Cross insists these people be let go --and we know exactly what they will do.. If those Chechens were caught, I bet Bianca Jagger, Rob Reiner, Ed Asner etc would be screaming bloody murder!
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At last. Reality!
just post this post over and over -
Or float across the border?
I'm very interested in finding out how to "seal" the border when it comes to our maritime borders. There are many thousands of miles of 'border' that there is no practical way yet to monitor.
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for ex - just little old Maine, with it's coves and inlets, has over 3,000 miles of borde just on the water side! AND thousands of Islands ofall sizes.
Get real -
That's a very good idea. I'll bet there are already enough bounty hunters in the US to do the job if they put in some overtime.
Small price to pay in America's ongoing battle to keep landscaping prices reasonable.
Bush is not even paying lip-service to his base on this issue. We want REAL border security, and we want it NOW!!!
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so get you a--- down there, takes your friends, and start protecting. Heck, in 3 shifts per 24 hours, you could probably watch a while 1/4 mile.
If we can stop 95 percent of illegals and incarcerate them, the other five percent will stop trying.
We have people in Texas that have volunteered to watch the border (not cost to citizens) and they were told by lib groups that they would be sued.
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there you have it, all you liberal-leaners. If you want the borders even half way patrolled AND "policed" - go after the ACLU, the human rights groups etc.
Securing the borders is necessary but not sufficient. We need to do other things too. The Maginot line forced the Germans to go around it. That's what land mines and fortifications are supposed to do -- to channel the invaders. But the French failed to follow up and provide for a proper army to defend against that.
It is much better and cheaper to stop them at the border that to try to round them up after they are here.
The value of securing the borders is in keeping out massive numbers of illegal voters. The threat is showing itself now. We are seeing local politicians in California and other southern states that are sympathetic to illegals and doing everything they can to make illegals a privileged criminal class who are above the law.
If border security is a "false sense of security" then please tell me what you think a "true" sense of security would be? Would you do nothing?
I heard that most of the "Chechen" terrorists that attacked the Russian school were actually Arabs.
You just hit the jackpot subject and made TLI's "A" list. I got soooo tired of writing this up a created a standard post for the "gosh our borders are big" crowd that wants to QUIT before anyone is allowed to even try. Perhaps the border, the MEXICAN border (I grow weary of hearing about our "coastlines" the wetbacks are crossing from mexico which has very few subs) but we can DAMN sure stop the 2 - 3 MILLION per year number and get it down to a couple of thousand.
One more time, just for you, and oh by the way, what we are spending funding the emergency room medical costs for the illegal mexicans ALONE will equal the cost of this little construction project.....
It addresses the legal issues as well...
It is total BS that illegal border crossers are committing a misdemeanor. Lets take a look.
Just a thought, what if the IRS began to receive reports regarding the transfer of funds to locations outside of the united States and it became apparent that is is a nationwide trend.... (oops, already happening) therefore invoking conspiracy laws.
Say for example, an individual living in the united States ILLEGALLY had conspired with other individuals living in the united States ILLEGALLY to create a hideout from the investigative branch of ICE. They have rented the hideout under a fake name and all of the conspirators chipped in to pay the rent on the hideout. Then, in order to avoid local law enforcement agents, all of the ILLEGAL aliens live in the hideout, thereby circumventing the reporting regulations for an alien ILLEGALLY living in the u.S. That would be a crime, right?
OK, let's say those same aliens living ILLEGALLY in the u.S. all had jobs and because they are paying very little to support themselves, (they are all living in the hideout, thereby paying 1/5 to 1/10 what the average American pays in rent and lest than 1/20 what the average home owner pays in monthly mortgage payments) they are sending regular sums of money out of the county, money that was earned during the course of ILLEGAL ACTIVITY, i.e. not reporting there illegal status, hiding their address from law authorities, and falsifying federal IRS forms with fake SS numbers. This would all constitute crimes, right? Well, what kind of a crime?
STRUCTURING, IE money laundering......
4.18.1956(a)(1)(B)(ii) Money Laundering-Illegal Structuring,
18 U.S.C. § 1956(a)(1)(B)(ii) See Statute
[Defendant] is charged with violating that portion of the federal money laundering statute that prohibits structuring transactions to avoid reporting requirements. It is against federal law to engage in such conduct. For [defendant] to be convicted of this crime, you must be convinced that the government has proven each of the following things beyond a reasonable doubt:
First, that [defendant] entered into a financial transaction or transactions, on or about the date alleged, with a financial institution engaged in interstate commerce, involving the use of proceeds of unlawful activities, specifically, proceeds of the [insert crime here(illegal alien) ];
Second, that [defendant] knew that these were the proceeds of unlawful activity;
Third, that [defendant] knew that the transaction or transactions were structured or designed in whole or in part so as to avoid transaction reporting requirements under federal law. ------- The defendants are also charged with knowingly conducting and attempting to conduct financial transactions that involved the proceeds of specified unlawful activity, knowing that the transactions were designed in whole or in part to avoid a transaction reporting requirement and while conducting and attempting to conduct such financial transactions, knowing that the property involved in the financial transactions represented the proceeds of some form of unlawful activity, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1956(a)(1)(B)(ii).
The Treasury Department has published a booklet entitled, "Money Laundering: A Banker's Guide to Avoiding Problems," which contains a list of suspicious activities that the Treasury Department says fit the profile of a "money launderer." These activities include: 1) Paying off a delinquent loan all at once; 2) Changing currency from small to large denominations;3) Buying cashier's checks, money orders, or traveler's checks for less than the reporting limit (i.e., under $10,000); 4) Acting nervous while making large transactions with cash or monetary instruments; 5) Opening an account and using it as collateral for a loan; 6) Presenting a transaction that involves a large number of $50 and $100 bills; and 7) Presenting a transaction without counting the cash first. . . .
"Structuring" is defined by the IRS as any effort to avoid reporting cash or other monetary transactions over $10,000 by breaking them down into smaller "related" transactions over any 12-month period (defined by USC 31, Sec. 5322-5324-Money Laundering Control Act of 1986, as amended). A structuring violation carries with it a criminal penalty with a mandatory prison term, heavy fines, and confiscation of structured funds and money "connected" to them. (A civil penalty of a $25,000 fine with confiscation of structured funds also exists.) Monetary instruments included in structuring are cash, cashier's checks, money orders, and traveler's checks.
"Structuring" is now defined as money laundering, and is a criminal offense. You can now go to jail for dealing in cash to protect your financial privacy, if the IRS thinks you're trying to hide or structure your transactions or monetary instruments.
The above is describing a nationwide conspiracy of ILLEGAL ALIENS that are defrauding the government and a guilty of a long list of federal conspiracy crimes. 20% of the ILLEGAL ALIENS have the phone numbers of welfare and social services on them when arrested. That is intent to commit fraud, a FELONY. The rest are crossing the border with the intent of illegally obtaining jobs and will pay no taxes. Additionally they will conspire to maximize the amount of illegally gained tax free cash they can acquire.
Remember, when the crime was committed, or rather, under the definition of conspiracy, the crime began when the illegal alien set foot on u.S. territory with the intention of getting a job "that nobody else wanted." They are FELONS at one step north of the border.
On to the actual costs.......
Let us visualize a real live controlled border. That would require a fairly large construction project to build semi-sunken border stations at one mile intervals from end to end across the southern border with Mexico. By placing them at one mile intervals no point on the border is more than 30 seconds from a border station. By sinking them into the ground, one level is completely protected against almost all man-portable weapons and the second level (ground level) can be bermed on three sides except for the horizontal observation and firing ports along the east, south and west sides. the north side would extend out to include a 3 sided, covered bay where the interceptors will sit at the ready.
Each such station will be staffed by five three man teams. As this is a closed border plan, there is no need for more than three per station. Allowing 5 shifts per station, the three normally needed for 24 hour staffing at 8 hour shifts, plus two ?weekend? shifts that could rotate out with a weekday shift, giving the week day workers opportunity for time off, vacation, backup for sick days, etc.
Then there is the eternal question, how much?
Ahhhhhhhh, there is the beauty. ZERO. This will not add a single dime to the budget. WHY? The money is currently being pi$$ed away for nothing and where it is going will only get worse. Allow me to rub salt here . .
""When approving the Medi care bill last month, Congress allocated $1 billion to help border hospitals cover those costs. President Bush is expected to sign the bill Monday.""
Which he did. So the money is there, it is just being spent in a reactionary mode. In a proactive mode most of the money will only be spent only in the first year, after that the cost would drop dramatically.
OK, lets do the numbers.
1330 miles from Atlantic to Pacific ='s 1330 stations.
1 station initial construction 165,000
1 electronics and weapons 40,000
3 trucks @ 40,000 each 120,000
15 staff, 5 shifts at 3 per shift 630,000
utilities (water, electricity) 12,000
Total for one station for the first year (including construction)
$967,000
Total for the 1330 stations required
$1,288,044,000
and that is including construction cost.
After the initial construction,
Back out 90% of 165,000 to = 16,500, or annual maintaining
apply the same 10% maintaining to the other front end expenses
and the total annual bill is . . . $870,352,000
Case Closed.
The only reason the border is NOT closed is the fed WANTS the criminal invaders here.
the only question is . . . WHY?
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Well well, let us review the facts.
1. All the illegals KNOW what they are doing is against u.S. law. It is illegal for them to be here.
2. The border can be closed for .10 cents on the dollar of what it costs PER YEAR, that would be 22 Billion, due to their presence. It would cost less than 2 Billion to close it.
They are in fact criminals and were felons by their own admission the moment they set foot on u.S. territory. What is government is thinking? By allowing this to go on in the face of such universal opposition of the wishes of the Americans will be political genocide if just one of the annual two million criminal border crossers are involved in a major terrorist event. That is not pubies or dems, just politicians and gubbermnt in general.
So . . . how do we sum this up?
Over 2 in 10 ILLEGALS apprehended while crossing our borders have the phone numbers and addresses of social service agencies in their possession when apprehended.
Last I heard that is premeditation. Also known as intent to fraud. They KNOW they are illegal and not elegible. They crossed the United States International border to commit fraud. That is a Federal Felony.
So much for poor honest hardworking " just want the work Americans will not do " BS.
This also negates the "they are only tresspassing and can not be detained by a land owner or American citizen." They are committing a felony and a felony in progress can very much be subject to citizen arrest.
NO reason to not close the mexican border.
MANY reasons to close the border NOW.
Does this current government really believe all Americans are so stupid as to let this go on?
Perhaps we will all go back to our AC and Buds if they put a few troops on the border to let the media snap a few thousand pics? This will portray the government as “doing something” and “gittn tuff.”
Perhaps the fed.gov should bash itself in the head with a brick, too.
Right now, the current policy of the federal government is resulting in massive increases in crime, as much as 800% in some areas. The fed has made it clear they do not intend to do anything to enforce CURRENT LAW beyond a few token sweeps that net about than .000001% of the criminal illegal aliens.
We better pray there are many more Americans that continue to be willing to step up and with their actions, say the bs stops HERE, and NOW.
The thought occured to me, since the debate is in Tempe, Arizona. Chechen terrorists Entered USA from Mexico into Arizona. I hope this is nothing, but it is not that far away.
Nonsense! 44,000 soldiers. Rifles with a 1/4 mile range. Night vision goggles. Surveillance drones.
22,000 miles of border is less than half a foot per American. If Israel can afford to put a wall around their country, then we sure as hell can.
Travis has been posting on threads about illegal immigration long before this one ever appeared.
Why would you rule out high-powered hunting rifles? We are at war you know.
Pull yourselves together people.
He sells fiction books based on these kinds of scenarios.
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