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To: asgardshill
My emphasis in bold. How would a 10,000-plus mile long wall covering every inch of US land border have stopped 9/11? Walls can be penetrated, tunneled under, breached via bribery and misdirection, and scaled. Hence my assertion that such a wall would grant us nothing but a false sense of security for an astronomical cost

Securing the borders is necessary but not sufficient. We need to do other things too. The Maginot line forced the Germans to go around it. That's what land mines and fortifications are supposed to do -- to channel the invaders. But the French failed to follow up and provide for a proper army to defend against that.

It is much better and cheaper to stop them at the border that to try to round them up after they are here.

The value of securing the borders is in keeping out massive numbers of illegal voters. The threat is showing itself now. We are seeing local politicians in California and other southern states that are sympathetic to illegals and doing everything they can to make illegals a privileged criminal class who are above the law.

If border security is a "false sense of security" then please tell me what you think a "true" sense of security would be? Would you do nothing?

510 posted on 10/13/2004 3:23:43 AM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Dan Evans
Securing the borders is necessary but not sufficient.

"Securing the borders" is an unobtainable pipe dream, never before accomplished on this scale in the history of the world.

We need to do other things too. The Maginot line forced the Germans to go around it.

For a little while. Then they simply overwhelmed the Line and it became a very expensive tourist attraction.

You make my point for me - the Germans simply went around it.

That's what land mines and fortifications are supposed to do -- to channel the invaders. But the French failed to follow up and provide for a proper army to defend against that.

They couldn't - they were getting shot at via Belgium and every other point of entry the Germans found.

It is much better and cheaper to stop them at the border that to try to round them up after they are here.

But you can't. (Stop them at the border, that is). Border too big, resources too few.

The value of securing the borders is in keeping out massive numbers of illegal voters. The threat is showing itself now. We are seeing local politicians in California and other southern states that are sympathetic to illegals and doing everything they can to make illegals a privileged criminal class who are above the law.

Yes, and the goal of "defeating evil in all its forms" is a laudable one as well.

If border security is a "false sense of security" then please tell me what you think a "true" sense of security would be? Would you do nothing?

Nobody can "defeat evil in all its forms" - we simply don't have the ability to do that. All we can do is be vigilant, fight it when we see it, and support those who are trying to do so. As the Poles found out during WW II, horse-mounted cavalry cannot defeat heavy armor. And we cannot defeat terrorism simply by undertaking a multi billion dollar public works project that has never worked for any society that tried it before.

575 posted on 10/13/2004 6:48:49 AM PDT by asgardshill (Got a lump of coal? Tell Mary Mapes to 'shove it' - in 2 weeks you'll have a diamond.)
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