Posted on 01/16/2016 8:35:06 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Dear Reader (including those of you born in Canada),
I guess we should start there. I find this birther stuff to be a lot like women's prison movies: compelling, entertaining, and totally ridiculous.
Other than the presidency, there's no place in American life where the distinction between "naturalized" and "natural-born" citizenship matters.
But imagine if it did? Imagine that your American-born mother just happened to give birth to you in Canada or Belize while on vacation. Your American-born mom and dad bring you home days later and raise you exactly as they would have had they been in Cleveland the whole time. Now imagine there are also all sorts of jobs you are barred from having. Not only can you not be president, but you can't be, say, a chiropodist or an embalmer. Pick your restrictions: You can't go to certain colleges or you can't get the best ESPN bundle. Americans born abroad can't buy basset hounds. Unless you were born here, you can't get cheese on your hamburger. Whatever. It really doesn't matter.....
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I start with who is eligible, then I go from there.
As to what was done to "the negro" in the first American compromise for commerce they believed was necessary to seal the deal and form a nation?
I've come to see that failed test as the reason for the prophetic, imho, crack in the Liberty Bell.
And that Bell is still cracked, too, thanks to crappy repair job that didn't fix the problem, but rather fixed that sad legacy problem into place.
Oh well...live and learn, I guess. Maybe we'll get that test question right soon. It's always the right time to live up to your stated ideals instead of down to the ways of the world.
Ultimately, living by the world's worldly ways is the condition that leads us to the final chapter of our story and its ending, IIRC.
As I see it, in order for the world in the last chapter of our story to come about, we first have to get rid of the "Fathers" in all aspects.
Once you do that, once daddy's out of the house for good, then the final authority is gone, too! Then we kids can do what we want and justify it how we want, good, bad or whatever. We're free of authority and off we go, redefining the world in our image!
For example, in the NBC argument, we once again have to have an authority tell us again what we once used to know as a self evident truth. Same for a lot of once self-evident truths, such as gay marriage to name but one.
That's all a part of who we are in these Fatherless times. We don't follow authority in these days; we get around it or redefine it if it's in our way.
Honor our highest ideals? Nope. "It's easier to get forgiven than it is to get permission."
Fathers are important and we're the rich kids who inherited everything but dad.
We need a strong Father. I think that's the subliminal part of Trump's appeal, for men and women alike.
In this world the world is creating, there are a lot of people who have a Father-sized hole in them.
Not good. Fathers are important. No wonder things are so messed up.
No, what I said above and throughout this thread is what I’m saying. Pay attention.
I don’t have the answer on the NBC issue. I tend to think Cruz is eligible, but I don’t know that for certain. It does need to be settled. I don’t know how he can do that.
I don’t understand how you, and so many others, can put so much faith in Trump only based on what he says - and says only relatively recently.
He hasn’t actually done anything that I know of to furthered the conservative or even Republican cause prior to his running for President.
He was praising de Blasio on how he thought he’d make a good mayor shortly after he got elected which wasn’t very long ago. People here say well he does business in the city and has too. So to further expand his wealth he praises a man who is essentially a communist that will make many peoples lives much worse. I can’t accept that. And there’s a long list of other examples.
He’s a master self promoter. He’s constantly promoting himself. He wants Presidency. And he’s well on his way to making the deal. But to what end.
I’ve been down this road before with Schwarzenegger vs. Tom McClintock in California. The “govenator” said all the right things calling his opponents “girlymen”, etc. People loved it. Tom McClintock was true conservative who had a plan - but he couldn’t get past the govenator. This was right after the Democrat governor had been recalled. Almost any Republican could have won. The govenator had no history of conservative principles but claimed them as his own. When he won he caved out of the gate. Buckled to the unions, raised taxes and started numerous “green” projects to save the planet. Just what California needed...
We’ve had 8 years plus of moral and economic ruin. I don’t know if we can take another 4 years.
Nope. Only thing Trump is concerned about is is ego and power .
And Cruz does not care about Cruz!?
What a great question and to the point! Why doesn’t Cruz give the New York money back? The money that came from New York values and from New York gay married men. I believe it totals $11.5 million. This is such an inconvenient question.
Nope. Only Trump and Trumpbots seem to care. Besides, plenty of learned Constitutional lawyer types have declared Cruz is perfectly eligible. We would be worlds better off with Cruz at the helm than Rubio, Jebby, Kasich, or the others. Trump is an unknown quantity because he’s sort of a loose cannon. His main strength, for me, is that he owes nothing to anyone (being feelthy rich) and he doesn’t seem to back down. And at least he doesn’t seem to hate the U.S. and actively work toward its demise like the present squatter in the White Hut.
That “great question” was answered on post #98 if you care to look.
>> he doesn’t see anything special about America.
New York exceptionalism?
Ex post facto much?
You want a polite campaign? Ask McCain and Romney how those work in the end.
Tag line.
Can you explain the constitutional and legal basis on this stuff?
I can
I see precious few here try to explain it
They claim as fact how they wish it to be and bloviate
From Mark Levin or Lawrence Tribe to you
Fact is Cruz is a perfect storm over the wording of this in the Constitution and the subsequent legislation regarding natural born as a legal term
What you are claiming is natural born no longer applies and instead it’s simply anyone with citizenship who didn’t go thru the application process as an immigrant with no US parentage
This will be broached by the opposition
Ted Cruz brought up the early Presidents as same as he knowing full well they were considering citizens from having been born on this soil and certified by race and standing as citizens at time of the founding of the US
it’s a lot of smoke and mirrors but it will be settled somewhere I promise
I’m about whatever the truth is
Trump or Cruz I don’t care
And thus began my journey...
Yeah, I know what you mean. I don't understand a lot of things either these days, so I've been rethinking my thinking and that's been very helpful!
Instead of questioning authority, like they used to say, one should instead question what one is sure of. You generally get better results that way.
Personally, I honestly don't know what to make of Trump at this point, same for Cruz, too, but now for a much different reason for him than when I first "met" Ted, so to speak.
Regarding the things Trump has said and done in public?
Trump has had to find a path to success in a part of the world now long-governed by insanity.
It wasn't always as bad there as it is now, but it often has been, and often even much worse. Many have tried to make it there, but he has succeeded. How does that go? "If you can make it there, you can make it anywhere"?
In fact, Trump has far surpassed any inheritance he may have received from his father, and then some.
I think that's significant. Many kids who inherit the business run it into the ground or sell it outright and party on.
However, the ones who take it and run with it, making it an even greater success, not just as a business, those kids are very rare, indeed.
I don't understand how you, and so many others, can put so much faith in Trump only based on what he says - and says only relatively recently.You must have me confused with someone else. I am still assessing what Trump might be while giving him credit where it's due.
Beyond that, I don't know what to make of him. I've never seen anything like these last few months, so I'm just commenting on what I see while trying to figure things out.
I've been down this road before with Schwarzenegger vs. Tom McClintock in California.This would explain why you don't have any "blind faith" in Ted Cruz, either.
Smart. My first impressions got that one wrong big time!
Duly noted!
"Thou shalt not speak ill of another Republican"
The media is just waiting for that- they are loving this cage match, after Cruz said he would not get into one...
What I remember was all those New Yorker women lining up with food, comfort and applause as the MEN had shift change at Ground Zero.
The personal attacks against me [Reagan] during the primary finally became so heavy that the state Republican chairman, Gaylord Parkinson, postulated what he called the Eleventh Commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican. It's a rule I followed during that campaign and have ever since.
The goal was to prevent a repetition of the liberal Republican assault on Barry Goldwater, attacks which contributed to Goldwater's defeat in the 1964 presidential election.
East Coast Republicans like Nelson Rockefeller labeled Goldwater an 'extremist' for his conservative positions and declared him unfit to hold office. Fellow Republican candidate for Governor George Christopher and California's liberal Republicans were leveling similar attacks on Reagan. Hoping to prevent a split in the Republican Party, Parkinson used the phrase as common ground.
Party liberals eventually followed Parkinson's advice.
Exactly. I can’t believe people don’t see this. They believe that business trumps (pun intended) ethics. I don’t and neither do many businesses that support conservatives.
You are making too much sense. What are you doing here?
I can’t believe that this forum which hated McCain and Romney is gung ho for Trump who makes the former appear conservative.
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