Posted on 01/16/2015 3:36:32 PM PST by SJackson
Yes!
Unfortunately pornography has a foothold in both the Islamic and non-islamic worlds. Western society is well known for its blatant promotion of the pornographical industry, and it has never hidden the rampant pornography consumption that is prevalent within its developed countries. But the consumption of pornography in Islamic countries has seemingly flown under the radar, with the Islamic community leaders either unaware of, or turning a blind eye to the issue.
Many experts are of the opinion that the pornography addiction topic is well known by the Imams in western countries, but it is an area they dare not enter into out of fear of providing acknowledgement of the issue. They would rather pretend that none of the muslims in their area suffers from a pornography addiction, and that the problem just isnt a concern. The acknowledgement of the situation is even worse in Islamic nations, with experts having knowledge of the issue also remaining silent on the sidelines.
Pornography is an issue that the Islamic states need to deal with immediately, as figures show that consumption may already be spiralling out of control. Google recently released data detailing where the most sex related term searches were originating from, and muslim nation Pakistan came in at first place. For those who think that Pakistan may just be a blip on the radar, think again. Muslim states actually held 6 of the top 8 positions for searchers intending to seek access to sex related sites. The complete top 10 were:
1. Pakistan 2. Egypt 3. Vietnam 4. Iran 5. Morocco 6. India 7. Saudi Arabia 8. Turkey 9. Phillipines 10. Poland
Even more disgusting were the statistics for various animal sex terms, where Pakistan once again led the field across most areas. A suggestion for them to rename their nation as Pornistan would not be out of the question, as they were the country that produced the most searches for sexual terms for the animals pigs, donkeys, dogs, cats, horses, cows, goats, snakes, monkeys, bears, elephants, and the generic term animal.
Saudi Arabia was the only country to generate more searches than Pornistan for an animal, coming in at position 1 for ‘fox sex’. They also finished second or third for a good number of the abovementioned animal terms. Other muslim countries to register top 5 positions for those terms were, in order of prominence, Iran, Egypt, Malaysia, Indonesia, Turkey, Morocco and the UAE.
Other interesting statistics were Turkey ranking number 2 for ‘child porn’, and arabic being the language used 2nd most for searches for ‘gay man’, ‘gay sex’, and ‘gay girl’. Egypt led the pack when it came to ‘fat sex’ and ‘bird sex’, Indonesia was first for ‘homo sex’, and Saudi Arabia up front, or should I say back, for ‘ass sex’. Pornistan also led the searches for the terms ‘children sex’, ‘sexy child’, ‘sexy children’, and ‘rape’.
The fact that muslim countries dominate the list for pornography searches is alarming in itself, but when you add in the data for the child, animal and homosexual sex searches, it paints quite a disgusting picture of the state of the islamic world. Statistically a large number of pornography seekers confess to having an addiction problem, which means that pornography addiction is currently a massive problem within our muslim ummah.
Christians surveyed on the pornography issue state that it is a major problem in the home for 47% of them, and based on the above statistics we can assume that the figure is even higher in muslim homes. Unfortunately religion does not appear to be a barrier to pornography access, as can be seen in the figures that show Iran visits the most pornographic sites on the Shiite’s Ashura Day. Furthermore, another study in Saudi Arabia focusing on teenagers mobile phones showed that up to 70% of files exchanged between phones contained pornography.
Pornography addiction is an issue which can no longer be brushed aside by the muslim community. Many muslims are suffering from this problem and need assistance. If the community continues to deny there is a problem, it makes it harder for them to admit their isuues and seek help. Fortunately there are some muslims tackling the issue over the internet, with a number of pornography addiction programs available. One of the best programs available today is Purify Your Gaze by Zeyad Ramadan. If you are suffering from, or know someone who has a pornography addiction then please visit the Purify Your Gaze website to start on the road towards breaking your pornography addiction permanently Insha Allah.
I expect that is not an accident.
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that is what I thought
I've seen translations (by western scholars) saying 'raisins or grapes', since what's on offer in paradise, according to the Koran is meant to be food and drink, more sensual than sexual.
However, the Arabic word (in this context) which has also been used in Persian post-Islamic invasion, is "houri or huri" (pronounced hoo-ree) in paradise. It means a woman of very white or fair skin complexion with very dark eyes - very pure beings, maybe akin to angels.
The almost male equivalent of huri is a Gholam or Ghulam; again an Arabic word meaning a young male servant. Muslim women in paradise are promised only 1 of them. But it's unclear if a Gholam is meant to offer sexual pleasure or just be a servant.
In any case, most muslim religious leaders don't go into detailed explanations to their followers; the spin they put on it is 72 virgins not grapes/raisins.
lol, immigration?
I believe it’s “raisins.” Nevertheless, there is nothing “heavenly” about feral inventions.
The feral translation used to recruit ignorant, horny young feral animals is “virgins.”
46 posted on 1/14/2015 4:00:14 PM by melancholy
There is no doubt they use the word "virgins" to recruit... (put a spin on it as I was saying in #63). But that doesn't mean it is baseless. What is the Arabic word for raisins or grapes?
Two additional points:
1. The concept of houri/huri ("virgins") precise word in Arabic alphabet حورية (aka "nymphs") makes much sense when you look at the context of 'reward' in Islamic paradise (not heaven) in afterlife - Bodily (carnal) pleasures & appetites. Both sensual & sexual, even if we were going to take the more sensual connotations in the Koran.
2. The word houri/huri is actually mentioned in the Koran and several Hadiths as well. There is also descriptions of these "beings". Grapes or raisins don't match that description, as far as I can tell.
Always trying to enter through the back door.
Neither my Hippocrene desk dictionary, nor Schultz, Krahl & Reuschal’s Standard Arabic were any help at getting an etymological lock on the word. Do you recommend any other text for English speakers?
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Check out these sites and explore external links from each site - the idea or translation of “raisins/white grapes” seems to be mostly based on Christoph Luxenberg’s assertion that the word Hur or Hoor which appears in the Koran (Quran) is Syro-Aramaic in origins and not Arabic or classical Arabic: http://houri.askdefinebeta.com/ (this one is a good link for etymology, I think) — http://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/jan/12/books.guardianreview5 — http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Houri#cite_note-0 — http://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins#cite_note-Sura78_33-20
Do you read arabic script?
Doesn’t everyone?
Many Moslems believe that many things mentioned in Hadith and books of tradition and Mohammed's life are nothing but agendas to intimidate people into submission by islamic tyrants and now terrorists. Moslems believe in the unchanged Qura'an. (Death penalty for changing one letter! Of course!) But no death penalty for lies and misinterpretation by lousy "sheikhs" issuing fatwas and terrorists chopping innocent people's heads!
1- No "72" as a number and no word "virgin(s)" mentioned in Quran. The 72/70/700/7000 virgins in paradise as a reward for the true believers came only in heritage books "كتب التراث والسيرة" written by people after hundreds of years of beginning of Islam, obviously nonsense. Only in Quran "حور العين" , which is "beautiful women," virgins or not, who diverted the eyes, eye candy, if you will.
(9) كَذَٰلِكَ وَزَوَّجْنَاهُم بِحُورٍ عِينٍ ( سورة الدخان , Ad-Dukhan, Chapter #44, Verse #54)
(10) مُتَّكِئِينَ عَلَىٰ سُرُرٍ مَّصْفُوفَةٍ ۖ وَزَوَّجْنَاهُم بِحُورٍ عِينٍ ( سورة الطور , At-tur, Chapter #52, Verse #20)
Gholam or Ghulam; again an Arabic word meaning a young male servant. Muslim women in paradise are promised only 1 of them. But it's unclear if a Gholam is meant to offer sexual pleasure or just be a servant.
Not totally true. If we hire "kids" to cut our lawns or some such, it doesn't mean that the word "kids" mean anything other than "young persons," unless one adds a description or context. It's exactly the same in Arabic.
2- "غلمان" was mentioned once in the context YOU meant as domestic servants: (غلمان = plural of غُلَامٌ = boys)
(1) ۞ وَيَطُوفُ عَلَيْهِمْ غِلْمَانٌ لَّهُمْ كَأَنَّهُمْ لُؤْلُؤٌ مَّكْنُونٌ ( سورة الطور , At-tur, Chapter #52, Verse #24)
While other verses mention it with the true meaning (غُلَامٌ = boy < 18 years of age) :
(7) يَا زَكَرِيَّا إِنَّا نُبَشِّرُكَ بِغُلَامٍ اسْمُهُ يَحْيَىٰ لَمْ نَجْعَل لَّهُ مِن قَبْلُ سَمِيًّا ( سورة مريم , Maryam, Chapter #19, Verse #7)
(8) قَالَ رَبِّ أَنَّىٰ يَكُونُ لِي غُلَامٌ وَكَانَتِ امْرَأَتِي عَاقِرًا وَقَدْ بَلَغْتُ مِنَ الْكِبَرِ عِتِيًّا ( سورة مريم , Maryam, Chapter #19, Verse #8)
(9) قَالَ إِنَّمَا أَنَا رَسُولُ رَبِّكِ لِأَهَبَ لَكِ غُلَامًا زَكِيًّا ( سورة مريم 19#Maryam, Chapter #19, Verse x)
(10) قَالَتْ أَنَّىٰ يَكُونُ لِي غُلَامٌ وَلَمْ يَمْسَسْنِي بَشَرٌ وَلَمْ أَكُ بَغِيًّا ( سورة مريم , Maryam, Chapter #19, Verse #20)
The last one is a reference to Virgin Mary. Translation: "she said I had a غُلَامٌ [= boy] and no human touched me and I was not a sinner." A CLEAR REFERENCE TO THE BIRTH OF JESUS.
In Islam, Jesus is considered a Prophet, NOT a domestic servant. Many stupid Moslems don't know that, according to Islam, if a Moslem doesn't believe in Jesus, Moses, etc. as Prophets, HE IS CONSIDERED AN INFIDEL.
You asked: what are "raisins and grapes" in Arabic? They are: زبيب and عنب, respectively.
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True, there is no specific number, ie 72, in the Quran. That number came from a lesser known Hadith about what Mohammad allegedly had said "'The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives..." ; and agree Hadiths are largely unreliable. The fact the specified number isn't mentioned in the Quran is in two of the links I posted in #71 as well. Though the number 72 was not what I was disputing.
Only in Quran "حور العين" , which is "beautiful women," virgins or not, who diverted the eyes, eye candy, if you will.
حور العين and حور combined are mentioned 4 times in the Quran, as far as I know. Two of which you quoted; the others are in Surah Rahman chapter 55 verse number 72, and Surah Wa’qiah Chapter 56 verse number 22. To get the total picture, it's good to look at the verses before & after the main verse, or read the entire chapter. In Arabic with English translation verse by verse for each mentioned Surah and chapters here -- here -- here -- here
Equally, the translation is not always that of a dark-eyed, fair complexion 'women' or 'maidens' or 'nymphs'. حور العين is also translated as genderless companions, who are "pure" (hence, I think partly why commonly interpreted as 'virgins') -- here is a list of accepted and controversial English translations for the one verse you quoted كَذَٰلِكَ وَزَوَّجْنَاهُم بِحُورٍ عِينٍ as an example.
Also, apparently all believers (righteous) who are therefore in Islamic paradise get them, not just Shuhada (Martyrs).
I know Gholam is singular form of Gholaman which is plural. And as you say the plural Gholaman (غلمان) is mentioned in the Quran. Gholam (singular) also has a few meanings in Arabic; not according to me, but according to dictionaries I can find online. It can mean youth, boy, valet, page, servant and even slave. Depends on context I should think; Jesus was not the context I was referring to.
But more to the point of what I was saying in post #63 and further in #66, the latter in response to YOUR words from another thread which LucyT posted here in #65, was the concept of so-called 'virgins' is not baseless and is not about 'raisins' or 'grapes' as you were clearly saying you believe it is. كَذَٰلِكَ وَزَوَّجْنَاهُم بِحُورٍ عِينٍ (Thus. And We will marry them to fair women with large, [beautiful] eyes.)
Gholam or Ghulam; again an Arabic word meaning a young male servant.
I answered in #74:
Not totally true. If we hire "kids" to cut our lawns or some such, it doesn't mean that the word "kids" mean anything other than "young persons," unless one adds a description or context. It's exactly the same in Arabic.
Then you wrote in #75:
according to dictionaries I can find online. It can mean youth, boy, valet, page, servant and even slave. Depends on context I should think;
It looks like you agree with me that "the context" is key.
...Jesus was not the context I was referring to.
I know. I gave you that context as an example to explain that your statement above, in #63, is a blanket statement that isn't correct without a context or description attached to it.
Thank you for the URLs. I noticed that the "Sahih International's" English translation is poor, in general. One item was most interesting; however, drinking wine/alcohol IS allowed in Qura'an, to the chagrin of sheikhs, fatwas and terrorists! Islamic scholars should demand their execution for lying about what Qura'an says about the subject. In another part describing paradise, Qura'an said: "...rivers of wine flowing..."
Hell, that's the biggest bar, ever! You can drink all you want and take a swim to boot! Hahaha
Somehow, I couldn't copy the Arabic text. Here's the URL:
http://quran.com/52/23
52:23
Sahih International
They will exchange with one another a cup [of wine] wherein [results] no ill speech or commission of sin.
Have a good day.
Yeah, lol.. they should have said rivers of grape juice instead of wine so that they’re fully conscious when married off to pure raisins ;)
I can only speak of the Muslims I have known— they all seemed to love all those things prohibited in Dar al Islam—when here but so far as in their home country they were strictly DADT.Like that Lebanese beauty queen in fear for her life no doubt she insisted the Israeli was solely responsible.
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