Because of Adam Smith [Chick-Fil-A incident] many will no longer support liberal gay community

8-3-12 | Arcy

[Arcy]

The internet world awoke to a video of an exchange between Mr. Adam Smith, the now former CFO/Treasurer of Arizona based Vante, who has since been fired after embarrassing the company, and a young woman working the drive-thru window at his local Chick-Fil-A restaurant.

Smith, enraged by the first amendment freedoms Americans have to express opinions he disagrees with, chose to direct his frustrations with the Chick-Fil-A corporation by ambushing and berating a young lady trying to support her family by working at the drive-thru window of the restaurant.

Despite the professional and courteous service Smith received from the lady, he was unable to restrain himself from unleashing a vicious verbal assault on her. Much to her credit, she remained calm and collected - something Smith, the acting CFO of a company, could not do. Unmoved by the kindness of the young lady, Smith continued his relentless barrage, all of which was captured on his hand-held camera and later posted on the internet.

The liberal gay community continues to be its own worst public affairs advocate. Until the leaders of that movement learn to be tolerant of American values and the freedoms American's have under the constitution, it will continue to push away those who have tried to defend it.

For the record. I am absolutely NOT gay nor do I believe it is okay to be gay.

[moovova]

Because of Adam Smith [Chick-Fil-A incident] many will no longer support liberal gay community

Wow...this guy is good.

He killed two jobs and a movement in one day!

[DuncanWaring]

The First Amendment says “Congress shall make no law...”.

It doesn’t say “Your employer shall make no law...”.

[BlatherNaut]

She told me ‘Your statistics are outdated’....oookaay.

Clearly a hopeless case (militantly illogical).

And for the record (from the CDC), Men who have sex with men make up 2% of the population (that’s right, forget the 10% number that gets thrown around). And, they account for 61% of new infections.

Yes. These facts need to be trumpeted loudly and repeatedly. The faux images the media presents for propaganda purposes of the "happy and normal" homosexual "family" need to be supplanted with a more accurate picture - one which illustrates the medical and psychological dangers associated with this lifestyle.

[LearsFool]

She said she was uncomfortable but he persisted. That comes very close to assault.

So now our side is imposing "speech codes"? Banning "hate speech"?

Don't you see that this is merely the inevitable result of treating the Bill of Rights as though Moses brought it down from the mountain on stone tablets?

I'm GLAD that a-hole got fired. I'm GLAD Dan Cathy stood firm. And if there were a Chick-Fil-A in my city, I'd have GLADLY stood in line for an hour to patronize that morally-upstanding business. But NOT because "freedom of speech" is from God; but because morality is.

We need to get off this weak ground of "free speech" - where the good people have lost time and time again - and fight instead from the unassailable hilltop of morality.

[BlatherNaut]

Are we being manipulated to take our concentration off other things that are going on right now?

Probably.

But on the bright side, this issue may well have the power to damage the democrats in the upcoming election. People associate militant gays with democrats, and the DNC has decided to add "gay marriage" to their party plank at their upcoming convention, which will have the effect of rubbing people's noses in it.

[Windflier]

Gays only make up about 4-5% of the American population.

I don't think it's even that high. I've always read it's closer to 1-2%. That's a super-minority if I ever saw one, yet the entire nation is being bullied into accepting their perverted lifestyle.

[ExTxMarine]

We need to use our freedom to pursue morality rather than using it as a license for immorality.

I like your argument. However, liberals and progressives have very little absolute morals - other than hating the morals of others. In other words, the liberals aren't just attacking our "freedom of speech." They are SPECIFICALLY attacking Christian and conservative morality!

They don't like us having freedom of speech, but they HATE us having morals! They want to make our moral objection to homosexuality ILLEGAL! At this point and time, the homosexual mafia is winning this battle - in the legal courts. I think the American public showed on Wednesday - and all the voter referendums against same-sex marriage - that the homosexuals are NOT winning over our hearts and minds! In other words, they aren't winning the "moral" fight.

I am paraphrasing a found father, but he said something about our Constitution not being suited for a moral-less society. The direction America is heading, where Christian morals and values are being bashed, mashed and scolded by the MSM and liberals, I think we are seeing that he was most certainly CORRECT!

[LearsFool]

The First Amendment only applies to government action.

It doesn’t say “Your employer shall make no law...”.

Tell that to the government.

We've all seen the government trample this and other rights in their desire to suppress good people doing good things. And your answer is to appeal to these rights? We've already lost that battle. And you want a do-over?

I'd ask, "How's that working out for you?" except everyone already knows the answer. Our side was compromised and the battle lost when we started using "free speech" as a license for saying and doing things that ought not be said or done.

We were hoisted by our own petard. We haven't a leg to stand on. We're sliding down the slippery slope and complaining about it all the way.

[txrefugee]

“Gays only make up about 4-5% of the American population.”

The 2010 Census reported 1.7%. It is ridiculous for this tiny number of deviants to try to overturn our culture, and only in a supine country would they even try.

[LibertarianLiz]

The more normal mainstream Americans see how hate-filled, rude, vile, and loony the left is the better.

I know that this video does show the true nature of the "movement"; but, I can't be too surprised by it since it seems to happen over and over. I knew who the "hateful" people were some years ago when I watched a "gay activist" push down an elderly woman in CA who was protesting against "gay marriage". After that, I don't really expect good behavior from these people, and they never surprise me.

[Nip]

I pass no judgments on homosexuality.

I let nature do it for me.

Without active intervention, sexual traits like homosexuality tend to die out after two or three generations. Why? It can not reproduce itself without outside assistance. This has to be done either medically (artificial insemination, etc) or socially (host mothers or adoption).

IMHO this is what drives the hate shown by that community - it is so unfair that their life style is contra survival. And they are going to continue to protest until the laws of nature are changed in their favor no matter how many generations it takes. But they want the natural laws changed NOW!

[MamaTexan]

They hate what is normal because it reminds them that they are not.

True, at least for the foaming at the mouth gaystop-o members. I'm sure some really couldn't care less about the gay marriage issue.

I've decided if this is they way they want to play, fine. I'm willing to leave well enough alone, but if they keep pushing, I've decided to take the fight to them.

If ever confronted with one, the second they raise the issue, I'll start screaming HETEROPHOBE right in his face.

What happens next will be strictly up to them.

[LearsFool]

Indeed! The quote is from John Adams: "This Constitution is made for a moral and religious people. It is inadequate for the governing of any other."

I am heartened by the outpouring of support for Chick-Fil-A, but disappointed that so many explain it as support for "free speech" rather than for public morality, since "free speech" is the slippery slope that has gotten us into this mess in the first place.

For many, I suspect, "free speech" is an easy answer given by (A) those afraid to say, "I'm here in line at Chick-Fil-A because they stand for what's RIGHT in the eyes of God," or (B) those who don't like homosexuality but do like fornication and pornography and all their pet immoralities and so are disqualified to make an argument from morality.

[jeannineinsd]

Yes, he was a complete a**hole, and yes, he deserved to be fired and ridiculed. But let's not confuse things - under the First Amendment, he had every legal right to be a complete a**hole (just like his employer had every legal right to fire him for doing so).

He had a legal right to say what he did, but he was way beyond socially accepted behavior. It was not culturally appropriate. People are repelled by his behavior.

If he actually committed a crime, he would have a right to a trial, a right to a lawyer, a right to a presumption of innocence.

He does not have those rights for his social and cultural faux-pax. It is not a legal issue, but a social and cultural one.

[Ratman83]

Our side was compromised and the battle lost when we started using "free speech" as a license for saying and doing things that ought not be said or done.

The right did not us the First Amendment to say and do things that should not be done it was the left that did that. And the courts let them.

[Ratman83]

Our side was compromised and the battle lost when we started using "free speech" as a license for saying and doing things that ought not be said or done.

The right did not us the First Amendment to say and do things that should not be done it was the left that did that. And the courts let them.

[MamaTexan]

This guy did not post/sell this video for commercial purposes, so he likely did not need a release to do so.

Not that I really know, but -

He posted it publicly, obviously looking for public recognition, so the argument could be made that commercial purposes could have resulted from the video, despite the fact it was not initially for commercial intent.

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In other words, had his (totally delusional) plan of Internet fame been successful, he would have been fay-mus!

:-)

[Ratman83]

Darn double post and misspelling.

The right did not us the = The right did not use the

[oyez]

Kippling be a favorite of mine, he.

For the sin they do by two and two they must pay for one by one.

[shatcher]

You say “free speech” is the easy answer, but I believe it was the bigger issue of the day from the perspective of our country. As a Christian, I want to do what is right in the eyes of God. Many people don't understand that. As an American, I saw government officials trying to make policy based on someones religious beliefs. All Americans should be able to understand that was an attack on the freedom of every American.

[shatcher]

You say “free speech” is the easy answer, but I believe it was the bigger issue of the day from the perspective of our country. As a Christian, I want to do what is right in the eyes of God. Many people don't understand that. As an American, I saw government officials trying to make policy based on someones religious beliefs. All Americans should be able to understand that was an attack on the freedom of every American.

[shatcher]

You say “free speech” is the easy answer, but I believe it was the bigger issue of the day from the perspective of our country. As a Christian, I want to do what is right in the eyes of God. Many people don't understand that. As an American, I saw government officials trying to make policy based on someones religious beliefs. All Americans should be able to understand that was an attack on the freedom of every American.

[GOPJ]

Adam Smith taught at the local college for years. I'm sure his brand of hatred for traditional American fit in perfectly with the other liberal elites... Your kids, my kids, our loved ones are being taught by men like Adam Smith.

It would be nice if some reporter dropped by the college to see if other 'teachers' on that campus agreed with Mr. Smith... then again hell would freeze over before that would happen...

[MileHi]

So now our side is imposing "speech codes"? Banning "hate speech"?

"Our side" isn't imposing anything.

[Stentor]

Liberalism exposed is liberalism defeated.

It exposes itself. Half of the country is too stupid to see it or too self-indulgent to accept it. Inertia will prevail until conditions get so bad that fear overwhelms it. At that point, you can't be comforted by the fact that the stupids will be looking for a solution.

[CPO retired]

If they had their own acceptance, from within their own souls, they wouldn’t demand and try to legislate acceptance from me.

That’s why the more laws that get passed in an attempt to placate them the more frustrated they become. The soul is not deceived or fooled, it knows and wants the truth.

[LearsFool]

The right did not us the First Amendment to say and do things that should not be done it was the left that did that. And the courts let them.

Try proposing censorship of pornography and see what sort of responses you get here on FreeRepublic.

Or shoot, just make a comment complaining about the softcore porn posted on FR and see how many flaming comments you get from "the right".

[freeangel]

“Because of Adam Smith [Chick-Fil-A incident] many will no longer support liberal gay community”

From your lips to God’s ears.

[ExTxMarine]

For many, I suspect, "free speech" is an easy answer given by (A) those afraid to say, "I'm here in line at Chick-Fil-A because they stand for what's RIGHT in the eyes of God," or (B) those who don't like homosexuality but do like fornication and pornography and all their pet immoralities and so are disqualified to make an argument from morality.

But, this is where I can't agree, because this is not a simple black and white issue. For example, I know of some homosexuals who went to Chick-fil-a on Wednesday. Their "morals" allow them to be homosexuals, but they also believe in Mr. Cathy's freedom of speech. The problem that we have is that basing everything off of YOUR morals isn't a fair or accurate argument and that is where you and I, and it seems some other FReepers, disagree.

I do not agree with Luis Farrakan (sp) - I think he is a lunatic with an agenda to destroy Christianity. However, I think he has every right to speak his mind. Heck, I think the more he speaks, the better it is for the rest of America: they get to hear his stupidity. So, sometimes, it really is just about "freedom of speech."

What I think most liberals, and obviously most of these judges who have ruled for the homosexuals, seem to ignore is the "free exercise there of" portion of our 1st Amendment. My religion, and morals, says that homosexuality is WRONG. And therefore, I have a right to say that homosexuality is WRONG.

However, I am totally AGAINST the US government trying to "outlaw" homosexuality. Each person must CHOOSE to end their immoral ways and embrace religious morals - you cannot end this by some man-made law.

I want you to think about this as racism. Racism is "illegal." Does it still exist? Is it immoral? Heck, I would bet my paycheck that it is more prevalent in those who the law was originally written to "protect," than it is in those who it was designed to "punish!"

[Elsiejay]

I am genetically incapable of using “gay” to describe a homosexual person. Its just my personal quirk. Perversion of language is offensive.

[DuncanWaring]

You’re the one who brought up the Bill of Rights back in Post 7 to try to protect this guy’s job.

[Oztrich Boy]

Dead White Guys rule!

[W. W. SMITH]

I am puzzled, a group comprised of less than 2% of the population, that has made a poor choice resulting in an average thirty years loss of life span, that can not reproduce so has to recruit, insists on dictating to 98% of the population how that 98% should conduct their lives. Good luck with that. NOT!

[LearsFool]

The problem that we have is that basing everything off of YOUR morals isn't a fair or accurate argument and that is where you and I, and it seems some other FReepers, disagree.

You bring up a very good question, and one well worth discussing even though we've strayed a bit off the subject at hand. And I hate that I have to bow out and get some work done. :-)

For the time being, we'll just have to agree to disagree, eh? Thanks for making some good points.

[W. W. SMITH]

From a different article, moments after he posted to face book someone who knew him and where he worked called his employer and he was fire on the spot.

[Venturer]

Yeah: and I am not redneck either.

[W. W. SMITH]

fire = fired

[PBRSTREETGANG]

Watched it. Thanks for the link.

Pretty clear that he’s flaming.

Glad to hear that he lost his job as a result of his behavior.

[ExTxMarine]

For the time being, we'll just have to agree to disagree, eh? Thanks for making some good points.

I too appreciated the discussion. Besides, I better get some work done as well. :-)

Later, Mark

[arthurus]

He claims in the video that h is hetero but all his vocals and mannerisms would isuggest otherwise.

[CanuckYank]

Since there is not one shred of justification for the overthetop response to some innocuous general comments made during a business related interview about a company’s philosophies, the ONLY interpretation is that this ENTIRE issue is nothing more than another agitprop corps project to move the gullibles eyes off the REAL issues confronting We the People.

Another of the specious tactics being used by the Alinsky/Cloward-Piven team to destroy This Once Great Country.

>Shift Focus
>Ridicule and Destroy Public perception of Opponents
>Deny the Truth
>Delay any proceedings not beneficial to “The Cause”
>Use the Big Lie
>Disrupt gatherings of Patriots
>Encourage Civil Unrest
>Dumb the population down
>Steal the votes
>Exploit tragedies to justify more control
>Make ALL citizens criminals
>Manipulate the press and create forged documents as necessary
>Manipulate “downtrodden minorites” (blacks, latinos, LBTG, females, the poor, the physically and mentally challenged)
>Lose historical documents in “natural disasters (fire or flood)
>etc, etc, etc and when all else fails create an “accidental” death

After all, their “Progressive” and “Noble” ends justify ANY means to achieve “THE GOAL” (complete control of everybody, all day long, very day).

It amazes me just how successful this campaign has been to date and I’m truly unsure it can be slowed down much, let alone stopped before disaster and destruction is at hand.

[zeugma]

The Wrath of The Awakened Saxon, by Rudyard Kipling, comes to mind:

Do you know what that is from? I have a lot of collections of Kipling and can't remember seeing that.

[DuncanWaring]

Don’t know; I’ve only seen it “on the Internet”.

I’ve been looking for a decent hard-copy collection myself ... got any recommendations?

[Not gonna take it anymore]

But it is a free speech issue. When you have mayors of cities saying the a business cannot open because they disagree with the opinions of the business owner, then the government is trying to stifle speech and that is unconstitutional.

[newzjunkey]

The liberal gay community continues to be its own worst public affairs advocate.

The jerk customer was himself not gay.

[Not gonna take it anymore]

the a business

should be: that a business

[ROCKLOBSTER]

>>for the record (from the CDC), Men who have sex with men make up 2% of the population (that’s right, forget the 10% number that gets thrown around). And, they account for 61% of new infections.<<

Yes. These facts need to be trumpeted loudly and repeatedly.

Factor those numbers into your health insurance premiums. And "they" want to get rid of pre-existing conditions.

[LibWhacker]

Until the leaders of that movement learn to be tolerant of American values and the freedoms American's have under the constitution, it will continue to push away those who have tried to defend it.

Ha, we're talking about eternity here. It's like dark energy, eternally pushing.

[SaraJohnson]

Mentally ill people are not known to be great front men for public relations.

[Peet]

Gentlemen,

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