Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?

vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?

[BlackbirdSST]

Hey, they could do like I am right now. Post one last post and then log out and never come back here again. I have been here at the Lunatic Fringe for too long. Every reasonable and Conservative( anybody here ever think what that word means?)post I have ever made here was ignored. Too much shrillness. too depressing. Too much attacking. AMF’s.

Whiner's need not attend! AMF indeed. On the opii scale tho', 4 is about the highest rating. Too much self flirtation coupled with the whining brings this one in below average. Blackbird.

[mutley]

A bully is a bully no matter the stripe.

I'm not so sure of that. I've been following this thread and recent events here in general. Overall, it looks to me like people decided to stand up to the bullies, and are now daring them to come out. Just my two cents.

[EternalVigilance]

You are a very perceptive person.

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I never thought I would have the opinion I have of you now EV. You sound just like the harpies who are no longer here. You’ve picked up their fallen torch and running with it proudly, only you’re a conservative doing it now.

[EternalVigilance]

this one in below average

Concur.

[EternalVigilance]

That’s ludicrous. Really.

[jedward]

I think I posted this once, but I’ll post it again. The leaders will change, or the leaders will change. You are making excellent points. I do not support the thread being killed at all. I do support that we finish what JR started, and my committment to that will not change.

[EternalVigilance]

Think hard about what mutley said in #16142. Please. They are the ones with the proper perspective on this, not you.

[Oliver Optic]

I have been here at the Lunatic Fringe for too long.

See, I'm not sure exactly how you mean that ... perhaps you're referring to certain posters' strident attitudes ... or perhaps you're referring to the pro-life, pro-family, Christian conservative worldview.

If you're referring to the latter, you have just given a good illustration of the problem that made this FR course correction necessary.

Conservatives have grown tired of logging on to a site that explicitly supports pro-life, pro-family values in its mission statement ... and seeing themselves repeatedly referred to as "nutjobs," "unappeasables," "lunatic fringe," etc., etc.

[Spyder]

Are you you a cookie baker too?

I'm a proud cookie baker (though my last cookie batch was probably a few years ago). The same fellow insulted me with that phrase and I took it exactly as you did - an insult, comparing us to Hillary and belittling us.

[commonguymd]

Some have shown up, some deleted themselves, others like playing cat and mouse.

[BykrBayb]

Now if she could just produce said saved document

She has. What's the matter? Did you get left out of the loop? Are you becoming increasingly unpopular around here? How sad.

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Actually, we’re trying to promote unity among conservatives, and going forward into the fight on the solid ground of the conservative principles that Jim Robinson has espoused so well.

Please, don't use the owner of this site as your shield against all opposition to what you and others are doing.

we’re trying to promote unity among conservatives,

You keep telling yourself that, EV if it makes you more comfortable in what you're doing. You're displaying bully tactics.

The rudybots are gone or those who remain are laying low or hiding in a corner.

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To you it is.

[Kevmo]

If they were bullies who crossed the line, then they got what they deserved, and if you go over to WA, they sometimes even claim it’s what they WANTED. So the best way to deal with what you perceive to be the new set of bullies is to just let the thread die. Stop bumping it. The “new bullies” would disperse as a crowd and then we can begin cleaning up. When we run across libs on this forum who are impolite, we can send them over to WA.

[mkjessup]

“...however if you are going to trust Giuliani because he is NOT Hillary Clinton...”
I never said I was going to trust him. I said I would vote for him. But you could plug anyone - literally ANYONE into the Republican slot, and if they’re against Hillary... I would vote for them, because to stay home (or “vote for my cat,” as one FReeper put it) would be, in effect, a vote for Her Highness - and THAT’S something I NEVER want to see happen. Do you? Give me a straight answer. I know you can’t stand Rudy. I presume you can’t stand Hillary. If it’s one against the other, do you honestly NOT care which one gets into office?

It is never 'one against the other' and if the GOP is stupid enough to nominate Giuliani as it's standard bearer, it will be leaving conservatives no differently than when Reagan said 'I didn't leave the Democrat Party, the Democrat Party left me'.

There are always choices. And the choices do not have to be ONLY Giuliani vs. Clinton. That is why all of this hell raising is going on right now, to hopefully derail the RudyToot Express long before it gets to the convention.

The whole 'who do you choose, Rudy or Hillary' mantra is an exercise in futility because neither one of those two losers have been nominated, there is no guarantee that EITHER of them will be their party's nominee, and if the GOP chooses a return to liberal-RINO-Rockefeller Republicanism, it is they, not conservatives, who will be sealing their own fate as a permanent minority like they wandered in the wilderness for so many decades.

How's that for a straight answer?

[EternalVigilance]

Please, don't use the owner of this site as your shield against all opposition to what you and others are doing.

This thread was posted by Jim. Every poster that has departed, either chose to depart, or were zotted by Jim. Those who have opposed the dearly departed do so because they agree with Jim's principles. It isn't a matter of "shielding" anybody. It's a matter of "whose side you are on"? Are you on Jim's side? If so, you should be happy that those who were ruining the greatest conservative forum in existence are gone.

The rudybots are gone or those who remain are laying low or hiding in a corner.

Hurrah! And I'm not going to apologize to you for being happy about it. Why aren't you happy?

[Kevmo]

I suppose I should clarify and not encourage this stuff to go out onto other threads. I was thinking that it would just sorta stop, now that most of the rage has been vented. I think that thread nanny over there is pretty wise not to want all this venom start spilling into their favorite threads.

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If they were bullies who crossed the line, then they got what they deserved,

They most certainly did. It's always a great day when liberals are shown the door.

The “new bullies” would disperse as a crowd and then we can begin cleaning up.

Then they would rear their heads again on another thread against anyone who didn't agree with them. The trouble with attaining power is those who receive it, it's never enough power. One gets drunk with power.

[BykrBayb]

Thank you Blackbird. It’s nice to know someone actually reads and understands the record.