Posted on 05/25/2009 2:38:08 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
You Tube's Local Pstor is back at it. His newest clip had me laughing out loud at the song choice...
Thanks to Morningstar madness we will soon see Todd and his new, young wife on a platform near you.
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(Excerpt) Read more at pjmiller.wordpress.com ...
According to the clip, Todd's backers knew about his "unhealthy relationship" with an intern even before the revival ended in August 2008.
If this is true, isn't that deception on the part of his backers?
I have heard that Todd Bentley will soon be back. This isn’t the only place that I have seen this said.
You Tube Clip:
TODD BENTLEY - LAST MEETING - THEY ALREADY KNEW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLVeThMr4dQ
Todd Bentley - “Told by God” to preach angels not Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U2rHfRpvyU
Todd Bentley’s Lies And Contradictions Examined
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9jFHHJCqFs
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I knew something was wrong with this guy.
What is so sad, is that this guy (and other like him out there) gives your average David Wilkerson type of Charismatic a bad name.
I don’t agree with everything that Wilkerson has taught or said in the past, nor am I a Charismatic, but he does preach a message of repentance from sin (which most of your fringe Charismatics shy away from) and he has taken a stand against weird manifestations in Charismatic and Pentecostal churches.
Bentley was raised mainly in Gibsons, British Columbia, a small community on the western coast of Canada. Bentley’s parents divorced while he was a child and he struggled with drug and alcohol addiction. He engaged in criminal gang activities which resulted in a 1991 conviction for sexually assaulting a seven-year-old British Columbia boy. Bentley credits his conversion to Jesus Christ for a change of lifestyle at 18. It was at this point that he began his Christian ministry.
Bentley announced his separation from his wife, Shonnah, in August 2008, and resigned from the Board of Fresh Fire. A statement released by the remaining Board members said ‘Todd Bentley has entered into an unhealthy relationship on an emotional level with a female member of his staff’, and that he will ‘refrain from all public ministry for a season to receive counsel in his personal life’.
So, when did Todd become a UFC fighter for Jesus?
At what point in his “ministry” did he start giving flying knee KO’s?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iS5a7Fico4
Don't get me wrong. I do believe in miracles and I do believe people have been healed of many diseases, sicknesses, etc.
But when it comes to limbs growing back or tumors flopping out of people's bodies and whatnot, and there's no video to substantiate these things I get suspicious.
I'm not saying these things haven't happened (I believe the account of Jesus reattaching the Centurion's ear after Peter sliced it off), but we live in a world where you'd think at least ONE of these episodes was caught on tape.
But that's just me.
This is what lines the pockets of these preachers - the ones who make claims but can’t back up said claims.
And this - sadly - causes people to become disillusioned and jaded when it turns out that those claims turn out to be false.
http://www.morningstarministries.org/Group/Group.aspx?ID=1000040651 Please check out this video ...I believe Todd deserves to be talked about in an honoring way...the restoration of his ministry is, I believe, being done honorably. I wouldn’t want to cast the first stone...I have been forgiven so much.
If they knew, would that not make them deceivers, who let a man stay in the pulpit even though he would have no business staying in the pulpit until August?
If so, where is the apology from them? When have they said that they, too, need restoration? I doubt that we will hear any talk of that.
Secondly, if his wife left in June 2008, and Todd doing what he was doing, he had a duty to take himself out of the pulpit, right?
Did you look at all of the garbage this man taught? Did you look at the you tube videos? Did you hear the words out of his own mouth? Did you hear the words out of his own mouth in “Todd Bentley Lies And Contradictions Examined”?
His words do not honor the Christianity at all.
Don't teach Jesus, teach angels? Garbage.
Yes, we have all been forgiven. BUT, the Bible says that we must look at the whole counsel of God. That means looking at all of scripture.
We are admonished in the word of God to correct those who err from the faith in doctrine. Paul the Apostle said that he “cut the ground from underneath” those who taught false doctrine. Anyone can watch those clips and see that he is.
Yes, we are to do all of this in love, tough love if necessary. We are to earnestly contend for the faith.
It isn't casting stones to do the above. It is protecting those who could be swept up into this mess.
I do NOT care what Todd has done. God Bless him and he can go somewhere and live his life.
NOT in Ministry! It is NOT about your opionion or mine. The Bible sets out guidelines for leaders!
I think of Uzzah’s Disobedience The Lord Struck him down because His laws were not followed.
I am thankful for Dutch Sheets coming clean and speaking the truth............
for later
“5 For this reason I left you in Crete, that you might set in order what remains, and appoint elders in every city as I directed you, 6 namely, if any man be above reproach, the husband of one wife, having children who believe, not accused of dissipation or rebellion. 7 For the overseer must be above reproach as God’s steward, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not addicted to wine, not pugnacious, not fond of sordid gain, 8 but hospitable, loving what is good, sensible, just, devout, self-controlled, 9 holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, that he may be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict.” (Titus 1:6-9)
The Bible says that Bishops must be blameless, and Todd can no longer meet that requirement. He has cast reproach on his “ministry.”
Yes, we all make mistakes, but the Bible lays out standards for Bishops that must be met. They have higher standards to go by. Todd - given what he has done - most certainly isn't blameless now.
Kudos to Dutch Sheets!
On top of all that, IF (according to the You Tube video) those who backed Todd knew even before the plug was pulled on the “revival” in August 2008, where is the repentance and seeking after restoration on their part?
Is Todd the only one who needs “restoration” here?
Oh, I agree.
Check out what I posted in post #16.
Just finished posting it...
August 20, 2008
http://imspeakingtruth.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/so-todd-bentley-is-a-drunk/
“... John Arnott reports excessive drinking...”
Godly men I respect are working with Todd and giving him an opportunity to start over...but as the video of Pastor Joyner makes clear it is ultimately Todd’s choice. Jesus restored Peter who denied the Lord which is one of the worst sins. Some people are naturally charismatic beyond their knowledge and sometimes they walk blind to their unhealed hearts and minds.Love is the greatest motive for anyone and anything.
It is not up to Rick Joiner, it is up to God’s Word.
FEAR GOD! Not man!!
2.) Watch the video in post #13.
Anyone can watch what Dutch Sheets has said, and see the truth of what I am saying.
3.) Please don't compare those who are involved in restoring Bentley with Jesus Christ restoring Peter. Please don't even compare the two.
Look at what I said in 1.)
When Jesus restored Peter, did Jesus need to be restored first?
This has nothing to do with being “naturally charismatic.” I have seen spin, but that takes the cake. Obama could use your help right about now. People have begun to see through his spin more and more. He could use some fresh blood.
Being so-called “naturally charismatic” doesn't cause someone to fall into sin. Lust is what leads to sin. Read the word. Lust... sin... death.
It appears that we may have that belief that Joiner is some kind of prophet or Apostle working here.
He is neither.
And yes, Joiner does not decide who does or doesn’t get retored to ministry.
God does. And His Word says that Bentley fails the test for being blameless, he is not the husband of one wife anymore, and it appear that - according to the link I provided above - that he was given to “much wine.”
From Wikipedia:
1.1 Aimee Semple McPherson, 1920s–40s
1.2 Lonnie Frisbee, 1970s–1980s
1.3 Billy James Hargis, early 1970s
1.4 Oral Roberts, 1977 and 1986
1.5 Jim & Tammy Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart, 1986 and 1991
1.6 Peter Popoff, 1987
1.7 Mike Warnke, 1991
1.8 Robert Tilton, 1991
1.9 Frank Houston, 2000
1.10 John Paulk, 2000
1.11 Paul Crouch, 2004
1.12 Douglas Goodman, 2004
1.13 Kent Hovind, 2006
1.14 Ted Haggard, 2006-
1.15 Paul Barnes, 2006
1.16 Lonnie Latham, 2006
1.17 Richard Roberts, 2007
1.18 Bishop Earl Paulk, 2007
1.19 Coy Privette, 2007
1.20 Phil Driscoll, 2007
1.21 Joe Barron, 2008
1.22 Todd Bentley, 2008
1.23 Tony Alamo, 2008
I can't find Benny Hinn on the list so I give him credit for not getting caught yet.
I don’t believe Rick Joyner knew anything about Todd’s problems he just felt that the Lord wanted him to help Todd. .......Jude 21-23...keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.And on some have compassion, making a distinction; but others save with fear,pulling them out of the fire,hating even the garment defiled by the flesh....this is for apostates so if God cares about them I am sure he cares about Todd( I don’t think anyone working in his restoration has felt he is ready for going back to ministry where he was before. )
"There! Evil, pure and simple, by way of the Eighth Dimension!"
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Evangelist Todd Bentley Reportedly Files for Separation
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FWIW, where miracles do occur, the work of God the Holy Spirit performs to glorify God the Son, not the Holy Spirit.
Additionally, the passage of the rich man asking for somebody to warn his living brothers about Hades concluded with him being told that if they failed to believe in the words of Moses, a miracle would neither convince them.
The work of God the Father is for us to believe in the Son. In this Church Age, we have more power available to us than in any other time in human history through faith alone in Christ alone.
Like I said. God Bless Todd Bentley.
He is disobedient going back into ministry, He has disqualified himself. I have not ................he has according to God’s word.
We are talking apples and oranges.
1. God Bless Todd Bentley
2) He is no longer appropriate for being a leader or in ministry.
According to your post #15 scripture reference the Apostle Peter fails :) may be God never meant to restrict a heart that repents and makes things right. I believe God is able to speak to us and make it clear if restoration to where we were is possible or whether He might want us to stay clear of that position. But I would never presume to have that knowledge about another unless He speaks to me on his behalf. I believe those helping Todd are capeable of doing that for him.
“But I would never presume to have that knowledge about another unless He speaks to me on his behalf.”
I DO have this knowledge of what God demands from me. He does not act like a cruel taskmaster, He lets us know EXACTLY what He wants. He gave us His WORD so we would know what to do. We would know how to live.
He speaks to us about others. He tells us what the qualifications for leaders are. If we do not read His word we will be swayed by our own imaginations.
As the Bible says to us Don’t be deceived, God will not be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.
You can believe whom you think knew and who didn't and when they did.
Just in case you think that you might be wrong about some things...
Start here:
Read carefully.
Like I said, how can Bentley be restored if the one supposedly restoring him may need to be restored himself?
Secondly, you have been told more than once, that Todd can be restored to right standing with God, but he cannot be restored to preaching ministry.
Period.
The word of God says so.
Don't like that? Take it up with God...
Some people are just caught up into that which is subjective and not that which is objective (The objective being God’s written word about such matters as who is or isn’t qualified to be a minister in God’s sight.)
They would rather operate on feelings and say, “Who am I...”
Sad.
pjmiller.wordpress.com
Interesting blog. Bookmarked.
Less than a year from separation to restoration (with a divorce and remarriage thrown in)? No, things are not being handled properly.
At least we have new spin (that beats anything I've heard from a politician) for being unfaithful. That isn't adultery, it's just a 'premature relationship.'
As far as I know restoration isn’t complete and could take years according to Pastor Joyner...please don’t quote from what I write and lead others to believe I said something I did not.
It’s different - a blend of commentary on religion, as well as politics.
Something to that effect.
God's word doesn't change even for the swine flu. While I do wish Todd to be restored, Todd can be restored but not to a ministerial position.
Thank you for the information you have shared. I used to be very sure about what God did and did not allow after a fall until I went through the Beth Moore series on Breaking Free . Beth Moore shared about her life and being sexually abused as a child. Because of the damage done to her she kept falling into sin in later years when she was a Bible study leader in a church.God helped her get free from the damage(strongholds) that was causing her to fall into sin (and a wonderful Bible study was born from it).
In the scriptures about leaders in Titus, our difference in thinking is mainly the fact that divorce is the one thing you can never get over (therefore never lead again), the other character qualities are things a leader can change. I don’t think our Father is happy to see the pain and problems that have gone on with Todd ,but I believe He understands things we don’t and I trust He will work in Todd’s life to show him whether it is His will to continue.I still honor Todd for those things he has done well for the glory of his Savior.
Todd’s healing ministry is needed in the pulpit.
Give me a brake Rick, I thought it was GOD’S healing ministry. He can raise up another of the remenant that has not bowed his knee to Baal.
I guess God is upstairs ringing His hands because He will not be able to raise anyone up, he needs Todd.
Good Grief. No wonder the Church is so screwed up and Powerless. No wonder the US is going down in flames. It is not because of the unsaved. It is because of us. Those who name the name of Christ and are totally impotent of His power.
Fair enough. I'll wait and see how it plays out.
He came to Utica, NY, to a church there and his behaviour was so bizarre that my friend and I were really put off by him. I had a hard time reconciling myself to him and never could after that.
Beth Moore is an amazing Bible teacher. We’ve done several of her studies. Anyone can be restored if they truly wish it and are willing to go through the deliverance and restoration process with a pastor or person of integrity who knows how to do these things. We have all needed redemption at one time or another, have we not?
God has already shown in His word whether or not it is His will for Todd Bentley to “continue”.
1.) Is he now the husband of more than one wife, and that through adultery on top of it? 2.) Was he given to “much wine,” i.e., too much alcohol, (did he have a drinking problem) per what John Arnott said? 3.) Taking all of these together, is he “blameless”?
If yes on these seperately (and all together as well):
Todd Bentley, according to what the the Apostle Paul wrote in the word of God, would not qualified to be a bishop.
Rick Joyner and Todd Bentley both need to read what Paul the Apostle wrote in the word concerning qualifications to be a bishop.
Todd can be restored spiritually and morally, but not to being a bishop, though, and any who would try to aid in this restoration process cannot be in the position where they need to be restored themselves first - if the blind lead the blind they will both fall into the ditch.
I believe in the Word of God as you do, but I never limit God because there are things we don’t know about people that He does. I am not “legalistic” in my beliefs becase God can not be put into a box, He has shown that to me over and over. We sometimes think we understand His Word but His ways are not our ways.Again I am not saying one way or another as far as Todd being restored to ministry as it was...I believe it is possible because God is the God of restoring. ) And to add to this, I believe God is going to restore the Apostolic leaders to the church in such a way that the disagreements like the one we are involved in will again have an ultimate answer.That will help the body of Christ have a strong clear belief system. As it is now everyone does that which is right in his own eyes and in the world we have lost credibility
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