Posted on 05/25/2009 2:38:08 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
2.) Watch the video in post #13.
Anyone can watch what Dutch Sheets has said, and see the truth of what I am saying.
3.) Please don't compare those who are involved in restoring Bentley with Jesus Christ restoring Peter. Please don't even compare the two.
Look at what I said in 1.)
When Jesus restored Peter, did Jesus need to be restored first?
This has nothing to do with being “naturally charismatic.” I have seen spin, but that takes the cake. Obama could use your help right about now. People have begun to see through his spin more and more. He could use some fresh blood.
Being so-called “naturally charismatic” doesn't cause someone to fall into sin. Lust is what leads to sin. Read the word. Lust... sin... death.
It appears that we may have that belief that Joiner is some kind of prophet or Apostle working here.
He is neither.
And yes, Joiner does not decide who does or doesn’t get retored to ministry.
God does. And His Word says that Bentley fails the test for being blameless, he is not the husband of one wife anymore, and it appear that - according to the link I provided above - that he was given to “much wine.”
From Wikipedia:
1.1 Aimee Semple McPherson, 1920s–40s
1.2 Lonnie Frisbee, 1970s–1980s
1.3 Billy James Hargis, early 1970s
1.4 Oral Roberts, 1977 and 1986
1.5 Jim & Tammy Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart, 1986 and 1991
1.6 Peter Popoff, 1987
1.7 Mike Warnke, 1991
1.8 Robert Tilton, 1991
1.9 Frank Houston, 2000
1.10 John Paulk, 2000
1.11 Paul Crouch, 2004
1.12 Douglas Goodman, 2004
1.13 Kent Hovind, 2006
1.14 Ted Haggard, 2006-
1.15 Paul Barnes, 2006
1.16 Lonnie Latham, 2006
1.17 Richard Roberts, 2007
1.18 Bishop Earl Paulk, 2007
1.19 Coy Privette, 2007
1.20 Phil Driscoll, 2007
1.21 Joe Barron, 2008
1.22 Todd Bentley, 2008
1.23 Tony Alamo, 2008
I can't find Benny Hinn on the list so I give him credit for not getting caught yet.
I don’t believe Rick Joyner knew anything about Todd’s problems he just felt that the Lord wanted him to help Todd. .......Jude 21-23...keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.And on some have compassion, making a distinction; but others save with fear,pulling them out of the fire,hating even the garment defiled by the flesh....this is for apostates so if God cares about them I am sure he cares about Todd( I don’t think anyone working in his restoration has felt he is ready for going back to ministry where he was before. )
"There! Evil, pure and simple, by way of the Eighth Dimension!"
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FWIW, where miracles do occur, the work of God the Holy Spirit performs to glorify God the Son, not the Holy Spirit.
Additionally, the passage of the rich man asking for somebody to warn his living brothers about Hades concluded with him being told that if they failed to believe in the words of Moses, a miracle would neither convince them.
The work of God the Father is for us to believe in the Son. In this Church Age, we have more power available to us than in any other time in human history through faith alone in Christ alone.
Like I said. God Bless Todd Bentley.
He is disobedient going back into ministry, He has disqualified himself. I have not ................he has according to God’s word.
We are talking apples and oranges.
1. God Bless Todd Bentley
2) He is no longer appropriate for being a leader or in ministry.
According to your post #15 scripture reference the Apostle Peter fails :) may be God never meant to restrict a heart that repents and makes things right. I believe God is able to speak to us and make it clear if restoration to where we were is possible or whether He might want us to stay clear of that position. But I would never presume to have that knowledge about another unless He speaks to me on his behalf. I believe those helping Todd are capeable of doing that for him.
“But I would never presume to have that knowledge about another unless He speaks to me on his behalf.”
I DO have this knowledge of what God demands from me. He does not act like a cruel taskmaster, He lets us know EXACTLY what He wants. He gave us His WORD so we would know what to do. We would know how to live.
He speaks to us about others. He tells us what the qualifications for leaders are. If we do not read His word we will be swayed by our own imaginations.
As the Bible says to us Don’t be deceived, God will not be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.
You can believe whom you think knew and who didn't and when they did.
Just in case you think that you might be wrong about some things...
Start here:
Read carefully.
Like I said, how can Bentley be restored if the one supposedly restoring him may need to be restored himself?
Secondly, you have been told more than once, that Todd can be restored to right standing with God, but he cannot be restored to preaching ministry.
Period.
The word of God says so.
Don't like that? Take it up with God...
Some people are just caught up into that which is subjective and not that which is objective (The objective being God’s written word about such matters as who is or isn’t qualified to be a minister in God’s sight.)
They would rather operate on feelings and say, “Who am I...”
Sad.
pjmiller.wordpress.com
Interesting blog. Bookmarked.
Less than a year from separation to restoration (with a divorce and remarriage thrown in)? No, things are not being handled properly.
At least we have new spin (that beats anything I've heard from a politician) for being unfaithful. That isn't adultery, it's just a 'premature relationship.'
As far as I know restoration isn’t complete and could take years according to Pastor Joyner...please don’t quote from what I write and lead others to believe I said something I did not.
It’s different - a blend of commentary on religion, as well as politics.
Something to that effect.
God's word doesn't change even for the swine flu. While I do wish Todd to be restored, Todd can be restored but not to a ministerial position.
Thank you for the information you have shared. I used to be very sure about what God did and did not allow after a fall until I went through the Beth Moore series on Breaking Free . Beth Moore shared about her life and being sexually abused as a child. Because of the damage done to her she kept falling into sin in later years when she was a Bible study leader in a church.God helped her get free from the damage(strongholds) that was causing her to fall into sin (and a wonderful Bible study was born from it).
In the scriptures about leaders in Titus, our difference in thinking is mainly the fact that divorce is the one thing you can never get over (therefore never lead again), the other character qualities are things a leader can change. I don’t think our Father is happy to see the pain and problems that have gone on with Todd ,but I believe He understands things we don’t and I trust He will work in Todd’s life to show him whether it is His will to continue.I still honor Todd for those things he has done well for the glory of his Savior.
Todd’s healing ministry is needed in the pulpit.
Give me a brake Rick, I thought it was GOD’S healing ministry. He can raise up another of the remenant that has not bowed his knee to Baal.
I guess God is upstairs ringing His hands because He will not be able to raise anyone up, he needs Todd.
Good Grief. No wonder the Church is so screwed up and Powerless. No wonder the US is going down in flames. It is not because of the unsaved. It is because of us. Those who name the name of Christ and are totally impotent of His power.
Fair enough. I'll wait and see how it plays out.
He came to Utica, NY, to a church there and his behaviour was so bizarre that my friend and I were really put off by him. I had a hard time reconciling myself to him and never could after that.
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