Posted on 12/05/2023 9:38:17 AM PST by Enlightened1
Advocates for Texas' secession from the United States believe they are on the verge of scoring a crucial victory.
The Texas Republican Party's executive committee is set to vote over the weekend on which ballot propositions voters will decide during the Republican primary elections in March 2024. One measure would ask Republican voters, "Should the State of Texas reassert its status as an independent nation?"
Ahead of the vote, the Texas Nationalist Movement, an organization that supports Texas' independence from the U.S., warned the GOP they have enough signatures to force a vote on the question of whether they support secession.
Texas nationalists have for years pushed for a referendum on Texas secession, despite the fact there is no provision for a state to secede in the U.S. Constitution. The state seceded from Mexico in 1836 and spent nine years as its own nation before becoming a U.S. state. It also seceded from the Union in 1861 before being readmitted following the end of the Civil War in 1870.
"In June of this year, our organization launched a petition campaign under the Texas Election Code 172.088. This section of the Election Code allows voters, by petition, to place a question on a party's primary ballot. In short, by collecting 97,709 signatures and submitting them by the filing deadline on December 11, 2023, we could actually bypass the SREC's ballot proposition process and compel the party to place the question on the ballot," the letter reads.
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If the question makes the primary ballot and passes, it would not be legally binding nor would it mean Texas is actually seceding from the U.S. Still, it would be a key victory for secession advocates, who critics view as a fringe belief that would face significant hurdles in a general election.
The letter notes that the question would be "advisory only" and offers Republican voters to share their thoughts on whether the state should become an independent nation."
This is a primary ballot only.
If this happens, then we will see a flood of companies and people move to Texas. Unless other States join, and they form a new country.
But what about my social security and Medicare? How will I get my pills?
-PJ
Zero chance this would be allowed to happen. Ever hear of the civil war? Texas is far too valuable to be allowed to leave. Military bases, natural resources, the list goes on and on.
Theory and practice are two very different things.
IIRC, something like this was tried in the 1860’s.
It really didn’t work out well for anyone involved.
State will have to take care of that. States will have to provide funding for social security and other obligations.
This has been an interesting debate for generations: Texas is the only current state that was an independent and sovereign nation before statehood; some other states, or parts of states, were elements of other sovereign nations before statehood, but were not independent and sovereign by themselves.
“Unless other States join, and they form a new country.”
I will vote for it and the above is 100% correct. Texas would need other states to join up. It’s all sci fi, because it won’t happen. Fun to think about, but thats about all.
If Texas goes, everything North from Oklahoma to Montana, AND including Alberta Canada, will go with it.
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Bullshit diversion reporting.
It won’t be allowed but two Texas voters here will be voting FOR anyway.
If Texas did secede, they would have one of the most powerful militaries on earth with an economy and GDP greater than most nations.
Hawaii? A nation before being annexed? Similar legal status?
Talk is cheap.
Take a look at TX’s state budgets.
Deep State has TX by its budgetary short hairs.
Note to Texans: If you really want to Texit, you need to get your financial house in order first.
Bunch of hog wash Texas isn’t going anywhere, this comes around every time there is a dimwit in office.
“Zero chance this would be allowed to happen.”
The Democrats would be happy to rid themselves of the conservative states so they could finally impose their Soviet fantasies on their remaining constituents.
When Texas was annexed into the Union, terms of the annexation gave Texas the right to split itself into several smaller states at a later date. This has been misinterpreted as Texas having the right to secede. There is no right to secede, no more than any other state has a right to secede.
It’s all B.S. and embarrassing for the GOP, kind of on the order of standing in Dealy Plaza and waiting for the dead Kennedy’s to make an appearance.
The Kingdom and later Republic of Hawaii was a sovereign and independent nation before it was annexed by the U.S.
"One measure would ask Republican voters, "Should the State of Texas reassert its status as an independent nation?""
FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument
Why don't elite Texas RINOs instead ask Texas voters if Texas should support hopeful Trump 47 by leading ALL the states to put a stop to unconstitutional federal taxes by doing the following?
Texas needs to lead all the states to effectively “secede” from the unconstitutionally big federal government by repealing the 16th (direct taxes) and 17th (popular voting for federal senators) Amendments (16&17A).
Consider the repealing of 16&17A as part of reparations for victim taxpayers of the unconstitutionally big federal government having to pay a lifetime of unconstitutional federal taxes, taxes that Congress cannot reasonably justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers and a few other constitutionally enumerated expenses.
"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
“If the tax be not proposed for the common defence, or general welfare, but for other objects, wholly extraneous, (as for instance, for propagating Mahometanism among the Turks, or giving aids and subsidies to a foreign nation, to build palaces for its kings, or erect monuments to its heroes,) it would be wholly indefensible upon constitutional principles [emphases added].” — Justice Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution 2 (1833).
From the congressional record:
”Simply this, that the care of the property, the liberty, and the life of the citizen, under the solemn sanction of an oath imposed by your Constitution, is in the States and not in the federal government [emphases added]. I have sought to effect no change in that respect in the Constitution of the country.” —John Bingham, Congressional. Globe. 1866, page 1292 (see top half of third column)
“Cherish, therefore, the spirit of our people, and keep alive their attention. If once they become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and governors, shall all become wolves [emphasis added]. It seems to be the law of our general nature.” - Thomas Jefferson (Letter to Edward Carrington January 16, 1787)
Pelosi: "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it." (non-FR; 6 sec.)
Democrats Are Terrified Of An Educated And Informed Public (3.12.23)
Finally, consider that corrupt political party and media fuss about "obsolete" electoral college is because the electoral college is the only thing stopping the corrupt political parties from establishing a permanent puppet presidency that will unquestioningly sign unconstitutional taxing and spending bills into law.
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