Texas Gets One Step Closer to Leaving US

Newweak via MSNBC ^ | 12/01/23 | Andrew Stanton

[Savage Beast]

Sheer military power--not law--is all that prevents the withdrawal of Texas from the Union (Texit). It is the same as the withdrawal of Britain from the European Union.

In fact, sheer military power--not law--prevented South Carolina from seceding from the Union in 1860. No law prevented it. The South Carolina State Legislature had ratified the Constitution and had authorized entry into the Union, and that same Legislature had the authority to revoke the ratification and authorization, which is exactly what it did. There was no law to prevent it.

The prevention of Texas--or South Carolina--from withdrawing from the Union by the US Federal Government and its military is not a matter of law. It is a matter of power. It is the same as if the Government of the European Union and its military action prevented the UK from withdrawing.

[ought-six]

“Don’t know about Medicare.”

Generally, no. There are some very limited exceptions, such as emergency situations that occur inside the US and its territories, and the nearest medical facility is across the border; or if the emergency takes place on foreign soil while traveling between states or US territories (say, between Washington state and Alaska).

[Midwesterner53]

Ready to pack my bags.

[DesertRhino]

Texas nationalists have for years pushed for a referendum on Texas secession, despite the fact there is no provision for a state to secede in the U.S. Constitution.

There doesn’t need to be for two reasons.
One, the Constitution is not a suicide pact.
Two, the very concept is embodied in the Declaration of Independence.

“Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

That could not be any more clear. But hopefully the DC occupation government will right itself.

That said, I am not convinced trading DC for Austin will change things much. Tough times ahead.

[HereInTheHeartland]

Russia, China, North Korea and others would faint with excitement.

[ought-six]

“The federal government never recognized secession as legal but made all the Southern states apply and be readmitted to the Union.”

That’s not true: They did not have to be readmitted, as their secession was declared to be illegal, in which case they had never left.

[CodeToad]

“It also seceded from the Union in 1861 before being readmitted following the end of the Civil War in 1870.”

If so, then the north did invade the south and the south is just a conquered territory.

[ought-six]

See my post #27.

[Fai Mao]

Hawaii waves hello from the statue of King Kamehamaha.

[dware]

All talk, no action. This will never happen.

[TornadoAlley3]

Reassert its status

Is this simply a strongly worded statement?

[ought-six]

“We bought Alaska fair and square from the Tsar.”

Yes, we did. Next to the Louisiana Purchase, it was the best deal the US ever made.

[DesertRhino]

If at first you don’t secede, try try again...

[Levy78]

This.

[ought-six]

See my post #27.

[bert]

Secede?

Texas should follow the lead of California and resign From the Union

[hanamizu]

To pick nits, it was a recognized kingdom for many years. Americans living in the Kingdom overthrew the monarchy and declared a Republic and asked to be annexed. They were refused until the victory in the Spanish-American War and the acquisition of the Philippines made controlling Hawaii make geographic sense.

Texas entered the United States by a treaty between the Republic of Texas and the United States. It was never a territory. One unique aspect of the treaty is that Texas may subdivide into as many as five states without the permission of Congress.

[Salvavida]

It is easy to come onto this forum and say it’s a bunch of talk, while not realizing the efforts that have gone into putting this together, and its implications.

This is real. It has nothing in common with the Civil War. They already know they have the votes (over 60%), and they already know if they do not secede, they will be dragged into lawlessness and tyranny.

Texans realize they have no choice This short video will give you a better foundation of what is going on:

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt6KSF2C4mg&t=582s

[ought-six]

“Texas entered the United States by a treaty between the Republic of Texas and the United States. It was never a territory.”

Which was my whole point: It went from an independent nation to a state. Hawaii had an interim status, but with similar results.

[ProtectOurFreedom]

"Texas is the only current state that was an independent and sovereign nation before statehood"

Not true, but you can be forgiven for not knowing about the 25 day California Republic...

Americans were for a long time an active presence in California, beginning with men engaged in the sea otter trade in the early 19th century. As that activity declined, other Americans developed ranching operations in the Sacramento River valley, in response to the immense Eastern demand for tallow and hides. Unlike Americans living in Monterey or Los Angeles, who had intermarried and become friends with the old California families, those in the Sacramento Valley had kept separate. They worried about what might happen to them if they fell completely under Mexican rule, and felt the treatment of certain fur traders in the past, and more recently the expulsion of Fremont supported their concern.

Concern worsened when the (false) news that 250 Mexican-Californians were marching on Sacramento. A number of Americans went to Marysville Buttes, where Fremont had encamped on his return from Oregon. Early in June, Ezekial Merritt and a dozen other Americans seized a large number of government horses that were being driven to San Jose. On June 14, 1846, Americans seized the administrative capital at Sonoma before word arrived about the outbreak of hostilities between Mexico and the United States. The short-lived Bear Flag Republic was born.

A hastily stitched flag, whose star and a grizzly bear's likeness some thought looked more porcine than ursine, was raised on the public square in Sonoma. The Republic of California, better known as the Bear Flag Republic, was estalished under the leadership of William B. Ide. A proclamation set forth the justification and purpose of the revolution.

Before the government could get properly underway, the short-lived Bear Flag Republic was eclipsed by the arrival of the U.S. Navy under the command of John D. Sloat on July 10, 1846. Pivotal in these events was John C. Frémont. He was assigned to the Army Corps of Topographical Engineers, which was charting new trails in the West. Frémont and his cohorts were ordered out of California by Mexican authorities; he established a camp in the Oregon Territory.

In June 1846, he returned and reached the Sonoma area, where he played an unofficial, but significant role in the Bear Flag revolt. Frémont later served as the military commander of the pro-American community. Whether his actions were motivated by secret orders from Washington or by pure ambition remains unclear. The Bear Flag Republic was quickly eclipsed by the arrival of the U.S. Navy under the command of John D. Sloat in July.

The California Republic (aka, the Bear Flag Republic) lasted for 25 days in 1846 north of San Francisco, in and around what is now Sonoma County in California. The name "California Republic" appeared only on the flag the insurgents raised in Sonoma. It indicated their aspiration of forming a republican government under their control. The rebels elected military officers but no civil structure was ever established. Their flag, featuring a silhouette of a California grizzly bear, became known as the "Bear Flag" and was later the basis for the official state flag of California.