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To: Enlightened1

This has been an interesting debate for generations: Texas is the only current state that was an independent and sovereign nation before statehood; some other states, or parts of states, were elements of other sovereign nations before statehood, but were not independent and sovereign by themselves.


7 posted on 12/05/2023 9:48:33 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six

Hawaii? A nation before being annexed? Similar legal status?


14 posted on 12/05/2023 9:54:40 AM PST by HombreSecreto (The life of a repo man is always intense)
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To: ought-six

The Kingdom and later Republic of Hawaii was a sovereign and independent nation before it was annexed by the U.S.


19 posted on 12/05/2023 10:04:19 AM PST by hanamizu ( )
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To: ought-six

Hawaiii?


34 posted on 12/05/2023 10:21:23 AM PST by Mouton (US Home to one party rule)
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To: ought-six

Kingdom of Hawaii was.


39 posted on 12/05/2023 10:25:42 AM PST by JohnBovenmyer (Biden/Harris events are called dodo ops)
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To: ought-six

Hawaii waves hello from the statue of King Kamehamaha.


49 posted on 12/05/2023 10:32:58 AM PST by Fai Mao ( Starve the Beast and steal its food)
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To: ought-six
"Texas is the only current state that was an independent and sovereign nation before statehood"

Not true, but you can be forgiven for not knowing about the 25 day California Republic...

Americans were for a long time an active presence in California, beginning with men engaged in the sea otter trade in the early 19th century. As that activity declined, other Americans developed ranching operations in the Sacramento River valley, in response to the immense Eastern demand for tallow and hides. Unlike Americans living in Monterey or Los Angeles, who had intermarried and become friends with the old California families, those in the Sacramento Valley had kept separate. They worried about what might happen to them if they fell completely under Mexican rule, and felt the treatment of certain fur traders in the past, and more recently the expulsion of Fremont supported their concern.

Concern worsened when the (false) news that 250 Mexican-Californians were marching on Sacramento. A number of Americans went to Marysville Buttes, where Fremont had encamped on his return from Oregon. Early in June, Ezekial Merritt and a dozen other Americans seized a large number of government horses that were being driven to San Jose. On June 14, 1846, Americans seized the administrative capital at Sonoma before word arrived about the outbreak of hostilities between Mexico and the United States. The short-lived Bear Flag Republic was born.

A hastily stitched flag, whose star and a grizzly bear's likeness some thought looked more porcine than ursine, was raised on the public square in Sonoma. The Republic of California, better known as the Bear Flag Republic, was estalished under the leadership of William B. Ide. A proclamation set forth the justification and purpose of the revolution.

Before the government could get properly underway, the short-lived Bear Flag Republic was eclipsed by the arrival of the U.S. Navy under the command of John D. Sloat on July 10, 1846. Pivotal in these events was John C. Frémont. He was assigned to the Army Corps of Topographical Engineers, which was charting new trails in the West. Frémont and his cohorts were ordered out of California by Mexican authorities; he established a camp in the Oregon Territory.

In June 1846, he returned and reached the Sonoma area, where he played an unofficial, but significant role in the Bear Flag revolt. Frémont later served as the military commander of the pro-American community. Whether his actions were motivated by secret orders from Washington or by pure ambition remains unclear. The Bear Flag Republic was quickly eclipsed by the arrival of the U.S. Navy under the command of John D. Sloat in July.

The California Republic (aka, the Bear Flag Republic) lasted for 25 days in 1846 north of San Francisco, in and around what is now Sonoma County in California. The name "California Republic" appeared only on the flag the insurgents raised in Sonoma. It indicated their aspiration of forming a republican government under their control. The rebels elected military officers but no civil structure was ever established. Their flag, featuring a silhouette of a California grizzly bear, became known as the "Bear Flag" and was later the basis for the official state flag of California.


60 posted on 12/05/2023 10:51:38 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
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To: ought-six
"This has been an interesting debate for generations: Texas is the only current state that was an independent and sovereign nation before statehood; some other states, or parts of states, were elements of other sovereign nations before statehood, but were not independent and sovereign by themselves."

Apparently you've never heard of Hawaii, Vermont, Rhode Island, Oregon, The Republic of West Florida, or the Free Republic of Franklin.

75 posted on 12/05/2023 11:58:54 AM PST by Paal Gulli
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