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Why are FReepers rallying around a crony socialist?

Posted on 12/24/2015 7:07:28 AM PST by dangus

Donald Trump has an excuse for funding Hillary Clinton's election to the U.S. Senate from New York: That's how crony socialism is done. You pay off elected officials to become their crony, then you get special consideration for your real estate deals. Please FReepers, explain to me how this isn't precisely what we are trying to STOP in Washington? Do you know what I don't hear coming from Trump? "I'm going to put an end to such games." Rather, it seems like he is proud of how he has played the game, considers it is how he rose to the top, and in his generous self-appraisal, figures that anything that helped him make more of his billions must be good.

He also favors socialized medicine. Not just a mandated level of services (Obamacare), but the government paying for universal, single-payer health care. This isn't an opinion from 2000. This is from his current campaign:

Scott Pelley: How do you fix it?

Donald Trump: There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, “No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private. But–”

Scott Pelley: Universal health care.

Donald Trump: I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.

Scott Pelley: The uninsured person is going to be taken care of. How? How?

Donald Trump: They’re going to be taken care of. I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people. And, you know what, if this is probably–

Scott Pelley: Make a deal? Who pays for it?

Donald Trump: –the government’s gonna pay for it.

Trump isn't a conservative. He's a narcissist who can't help telling the crowds what he thinks they want to hear. And so what we get in the Republican debates is an unelectable charicature of conservatism. One moment he's for keeping all Muslims out; the next he's only for keeping Islamofascists out. Well, duh. One moment, he's against the invasion of America by millions of communist Chinese and socialist Mexicans, the next, he's endorsing touchback amnesty.

Wait... you didn't know Trump favors granting citizenship to just about any red Chinese or Mexican who asks for it? "We have a lot of good people, they’ve been here and they've done a good job. It’s a tough situation and in some cases they haven’t been good people, and there have been some problems. The good ones we’ll expedite."

That's right... he's going to expedite illegal aliens already in the United States so that they can come right back into the United States.

Building a wall and then expediting illegal aliens in a touchback amnesty might help solve the security risks of uncontrolled illegal aliens, but how exactly are we going to simultaneously "expedite" them and screen them for terrorist connections? More than that, the fear that there might be terrorists among illegal aliens is one of the relatively minor issues I have with illegal aliens. I don't want my country invaded by Red Chinese and Mexican Reconquistadoras, driving down wages and consuming far more government services that they pay for.

But then we come to the issue that will make Donald Trump utterly, totally, completely unelectable. Unlike most socialists, Trump believes that American middle-class wages are too high. He has said this at almost every debate, and no rival or moderator has called him out on it. But with the Republicans already having a tough sell with Romney's legendary 47% who live off the government, can Republicans tell the vast majority of the remainder of Americans, "Oh, by the way, we'd be happy if you had way less money?"

Please, people, don't be like that Democrat socialite who couldn't believe Nixon won because she didn't know anyone who voted Republican. Trump is getting 96% of the coverage of Republican candidates, so he is who everyone is talking about. But don't confuse the volume of attention with electability. In a head-to-head poll matchup, Trump loses to Bernie Sanders in a landslide.

I've always thought the mainstream Republicans were fools to refuse to stand up for conservative values in the hope of winning an election. It's not just about watering down your beliefs to win over the middle; it's about giving people in the middle reason to think you'll do something about the conservative concerns they do have, and giving the base a reason to come out to vote. But is nominating someone who makes 58% of Americans think he is just an obnoxious blowhard the solution?

Please, if you think I'm an idiot, don't just tell me I'm an idiot. Tell me where you think I'm wrong. Tell me why you don't believe Trump won't pass a touchback amnesty into law, or won't institute socialized medicine. Show me data to say how he has a prayer of winning. I really do want a reason to believe that we're not about piss away our best chance at electing a conservative president since Ronald Reagan.


TOPICS: Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: New York; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2016election; cruzbotvanity; cruzcandadian; election2016; fino; idiot; lame; moron; newyork; tds; thegreatintender; trump; trumpnotownedbypacs; vanity; yawn
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To: sitetest
That would probably end the Republic.

That train already left the station.

Perhaps Trump will build a roundhouse for us...

261 posted on 12/24/2015 1:41:02 PM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: Mollypitcher1
Yeah, with a Cuban-Canadian-American? I’ll take a 100% dyed in the wool American called Trump!

So....Trump is an American Indian?

262 posted on 12/24/2015 1:48:10 PM PST by Osage Orange (Many people are alive only because it's illegal to kill them.)
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To: kiryandil

The only question is whether trump would continue much as the kenyan anti-christ, and function as a sort of dictator, or would consolidate power as sort of an American emperor.

Cruz or lose. America.


263 posted on 12/24/2015 1:53:11 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest
Don't forget to put out the roach.

Merry Christmas, sitetest! :)

264 posted on 12/24/2015 1:57:15 PM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: Osage Orange; Mollypitcher1
So....Trump is an American Indian?

Watch yer topknot...

265 posted on 12/24/2015 1:58:16 PM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: kiryandil

I wasn’t a drug abuser before I became disabled, I don’t plan to start now.


266 posted on 12/24/2015 2:04:31 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: CodeToad

So Reagan was a socialist too eh.

Good luck


267 posted on 12/24/2015 2:37:54 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: dangus

Trump might not make a GOOD president, but he most certainly would make a BOLD one. And right now, no matter how GOOD the next POTUS is, unless he also is BOLD, America is single-digit years away from turning full-blown, unabashed socialist. We’ve got to have push-back on all this immigration non-enforcement and deport, not just all the undocumented Demoncrats, but all their anchor babies as well.

If the next POTUS doesn’t BOLDLY do that one thing, it doesn’t matter one whit how good or how bad everything else is he does (or doesn’t) do.


268 posted on 12/24/2015 3:05:38 PM PST by Paal Gulli
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To: Lion Den Dan
Hatred?

Really?

269 posted on 12/24/2015 3:07:49 PM PST by Osage Orange (Many people are alive only because it's illegal to kill them.)
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To: Paal Gulli

“America is single-digit years away from turning full-blown, unabashed socialist”

What will happen before that is BITS and foreign seizure of national treasure and assets. Rape, famine, and disease like we’ve not known in this country since the Spanish flu epidemic. And wonton terrorism.

We have already been plundered. The $13T missing proves it. (International Bankster heist).


270 posted on 12/24/2015 3:14:50 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: VanDeKoik

Banning Muslims from coming into our county has “broad support”? Physically booting all illegal immigrants has “broad support”?

You’re delusional.


271 posted on 12/24/2015 3:29:34 PM PST by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: Theo

“Banning Muslims from coming into our county has “broad support”?”

Has it occurred to you that you cannot even recite what Trump said correctly, let alone the fact that his actual proposal has majority support, including significant support from Democrats?


272 posted on 12/24/2015 3:42:06 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: driftdiver

Insulting me doesn’t answer the question. Where are Cruz’s so called brilliant successes in the Senate?

There are a lot more senators than McCain and McConnell.


273 posted on 12/24/2015 3:57:22 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Beagle8U

Only Trump isn’t going to crash and burn.


274 posted on 12/24/2015 3:58:11 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: VanDeKoik

Agreed! Exactly like the ones who stayed home last time and gave the presidency back to Obama. Half a loaf is better than none, but these purists would rather starve to death.


275 posted on 12/24/2015 4:00:46 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Mollypitcher1

Name one other senator that’s better and running.


276 posted on 12/24/2015 4:18:32 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Nervous Tick
But viciously tearing down Trump

Quoting Trump = Vicious

277 posted on 12/24/2015 4:22:45 PM PST by Fundamentally Fair (Pictionary at the Rorschach's tonight!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
(and btw, the left has come for me....)

Apparently right here at FreeRepublic ;'}

278 posted on 12/24/2015 5:11:35 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Lazamataz

I didn’t breeze right past this; I didn’t have the chance to respond yet. And actually, I think your analysis is quite on.


279 posted on 12/24/2015 5:13:48 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

Mainly because we do not want to corral around a person who has taken money from the peoole who hate us.

See it is easy!


280 posted on 12/24/2015 5:14:08 PM PST by dforest
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