Posted on 12/24/2015 7:07:28 AM PST by dangus
Donald Trump has an excuse for funding Hillary Clinton's election to the U.S. Senate from New York: That's how crony socialism is done. You pay off elected officials to become their crony, then you get special consideration for your real estate deals. Please FReepers, explain to me how this isn't precisely what we are trying to STOP in Washington? Do you know what I don't hear coming from Trump? "I'm going to put an end to such games." Rather, it seems like he is proud of how he has played the game, considers it is how he rose to the top, and in his generous self-appraisal, figures that anything that helped him make more of his billions must be good.
He also favors socialized medicine. Not just a mandated level of services (Obamacare), but the government paying for universal, single-payer health care. This isn't an opinion from 2000. This is from his current campaign:
Scott Pelley: How do you fix it?
Donald Trump: There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, “No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private. But–â€
Scott Pelley: Universal health care.
Donald Trump: I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.
Scott Pelley: The uninsured person is going to be taken care of. How? How?
Donald Trump: They’re going to be taken care of. I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people. And, you know what, if this is probably–
Scott Pelley: Make a deal? Who pays for it?
Donald Trump: –the government’s gonna pay for it.
Trump isn't a conservative. He's a narcissist who can't help telling the crowds what he thinks they want to hear. And so what we get in the Republican debates is an unelectable charicature of conservatism. One moment he's for keeping all Muslims out; the next he's only for keeping Islamofascists out. Well, duh. One moment, he's against the invasion of America by millions of communist Chinese and socialist Mexicans, the next, he's endorsing touchback amnesty.
Wait... you didn't know Trump favors granting citizenship to just about any red Chinese or Mexican who asks for it? "We have a lot of good people, they’ve been here and they've done a good job. It’s a tough situation and in some cases they haven’t been good people, and there have been some problems. The good ones we’ll expedite."
That's right... he's going to expedite illegal aliens already in the United States so that they can come right back into the United States.
Building a wall and then expediting illegal aliens in a touchback amnesty might help solve the security risks of uncontrolled illegal aliens, but how exactly are we going to simultaneously "expedite" them and screen them for terrorist connections? More than that, the fear that there might be terrorists among illegal aliens is one of the relatively minor issues I have with illegal aliens. I don't want my country invaded by Red Chinese and Mexican Reconquistadoras, driving down wages and consuming far more government services that they pay for.
But then we come to the issue that will make Donald Trump utterly, totally, completely unelectable. Unlike most socialists, Trump believes that American middle-class wages are too high. He has said this at almost every debate, and no rival or moderator has called him out on it. But with the Republicans already having a tough sell with Romney's legendary 47% who live off the government, can Republicans tell the vast majority of the remainder of Americans, "Oh, by the way, we'd be happy if you had way less money?"
Please, people, don't be like that Democrat socialite who couldn't believe Nixon won because she didn't know anyone who voted Republican. Trump is getting 96% of the coverage of Republican candidates, so he is who everyone is talking about. But don't confuse the volume of attention with electability. In a head-to-head poll matchup, Trump loses to Bernie Sanders in a landslide.
I've always thought the mainstream Republicans were fools to refuse to stand up for conservative values in the hope of winning an election. It's not just about watering down your beliefs to win over the middle; it's about giving people in the middle reason to think you'll do something about the conservative concerns they do have, and giving the base a reason to come out to vote. But is nominating someone who makes 58% of Americans think he is just an obnoxious blowhard the solution?
Please, if you think I'm an idiot, don't just tell me I'm an idiot. Tell me where you think I'm wrong. Tell me why you don't believe Trump won't pass a touchback amnesty into law, or won't institute socialized medicine. Show me data to say how he has a prayer of winning. I really do want a reason to believe that we're not about piss away our best chance at electing a conservative president since Ronald Reagan.
And still you fail to refute the OPs points. Doesn’t it get old ALWAYS attacking the messenger? Never having the stones to face up to your own delusions? Even you last comment to me was more of the same....just like every single one of your posts. Try to bring something substantive (and true) to the table for once.
sitetest on a Trump-bashing thread, bashing Trump!
The TDS is STRONG in this one...
“Where are all his accomplishments in the Senate? Why is he hated by his fellow senators? “
You mean like McLame? Perhaps you’re referring to McConnell.
HA, go home and wipe the milk off your chin
Let me tell you why that statement is ignorant. First, it assumes that the only choices are Trump or uniparty period. Totally a false straw dog argument that doesn't pass the 50 IQ point. Second, it ignores how many of the uniparty candidates and policies that TRUMP HIMSELF has supported.
So your response was an epic failure. Care to try and wriggle out of it?
Respectfully, it seems to be already done, upthread....
The best thing about Trump is he is going to clear field of RINOs before he crashes and burns.
When Trump is finished Cruz will be the only candidate left standing.
If the name trumpeter offends you need to thicken that skin a bit. Cruz supporters are called cruzers and other similar things. It’s only offensive if you perceive it to be...which probably means you’re already sensitive to the fact that you know what an utter disaster he’ll be. Either that or you’re just a gnats ass away from being one of those college students worried about safe spaces and microaggressions. Man up cowboy!
Why? Because we like him! M. O. U. S. E.!!
Your Post misses the point in many ways. I’ll address only two.
You don’t understand the problem of Crony Socialism
Milton Friedman said, the reason we have an immigration problem, is because we have become too Socialistic. Return to Free Markets, Small Government and the Immigration Problem goes away.
John McCain demonstrated that he did not understand this simple concept.
McCain thinks their is too much money in politics, and gave us McCain Feingold. Instead of addressing the problem of Socialism, McCain sided with Government and attacked our 1st Amendment Right
Again,the only reason their is too much money in politics is because
Government has become too Socialistic. Return to Free Markets and smaller Government and the money will go elsewhere.
Now you are missing the same problem. Trump is not the Problem. Trump is trying to build. Return to Free Markets and smaller Government, and Trump will take his money elsewhere.
Now Issue Two
You are missing the appeal of Trump
We have a Democrat President who raped Juanita Broaddrick
We have a Republican Speaker who raped boys
We have a Democrat Leader who joined the kkk
We have a Republican Whip who speaks to the kkk
We have Republican McConnell funding baby killing
We have Republican Ryan funding Terrorist Imgration
We have Republican Boehner funding Obamacare
We have Republican Romney designing Obamacare
We have McCain and Graham helping Hillary and Kerry create Terrorist States
We have 18-19 Trillion in debt
And you think the Problem is Trump ?
they are all easily butt hurt and overly sensitive....the trumps whining and wanting their safe spaces, just like their boy.
Crony Facist?
Thank you! There wasn't a single thing in the OP that hasn't been repeated 350 times a day on FR since Trump announced.
But the insults and name-calling has gone into overdrive
I think it’s almost like a cult of personality.
No, up thread was a posters purported refutations. Unlinked and unattributed...more trump mythology. The original posters claims are things I’ve seen the man say myself.
Just my .02 worth. Respectfully as well, sir
we have explained on NUMEROUS occasions the basis and process that we have come to support Trump.
The problem is that none of you care to listen, or understand because you all are more interested in grand-standing and beating your chests to proclaim how much more pure virtuous and true to conservatism than everyone else.
I started on the Cruz side and moved gradually to Trump. Not because of anything personal with Cruz, but darn if his support base (with the exception of many perfectly polite people) hasn’t turned into the biggest bunch of self-righteous pr*cks.
HAH, I”m sure you would...trouble is, I’m the guest on the shows....lucky to be there myself.
BTW, you said there was some intelligent refuation of the OP up wind on the forum. I didn’t see any....direct me to one you think is good.
poor little toadie....is Cruz is a socialist as you claim, then the Donald would be full fledged Communist.....which may explain his man love for Vlad Putin come to think of it.
You can never leave the KGB Comrade.....
Do you despise and/or vehemently disagree with liberals?
DT does shake things up, the likes of which haven’t been seen since Ross Perot...
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