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Why all the Confiscation talk from the Democratic National Socialist Party?
11/4/2015

Posted on 11/04/2015 12:30:09 PM PST by Torcert

In days of yore the Lie was 'No one is talking about Confiscation', but something has changed as of late. Such talk is now common amongst the national Socialist elite despite the lack of a shooting being prevalent in the media.

It is axiomatic that one does not call for confiscation until its foundational steps are in place: Intergalactic Background Checks and Registration. The reason should be clear to everyone, people need to be fooled into registering their firearms with the solemn promise that it won't lead to confiscation. This was the case in the UK for example, were the people were required to register their guns while their fears of them being taken were assuaged with promises that this would not be the case. Eyewitness history informs us that this was the case in national socialist Germany in the 1930's as well.

So why are the nation's Socialists stoking fears of Gun confiscation:

OBAMA ENDORSES AUSTRALIAN-STYLE GUN CONFISCATION
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKSvxz5LHHw
Clinton Announces Massive Gun Control Plan http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/16/clinton-announces-massive-gun-control-plan/ via @dailycaller
Hillary thinks Australian-style gun control measures ‘worth considering’ [video] http://twitchy.com/2015/10/16/consider-moving-there-hillary-thinks-australian-style-gun-control-measures-worth-considering-video/
Clinton: Australian-Style Gun Control ‘Worth Considering’ for U.S.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JctBYrIaKvY
Video: New Hillary ad demands more gun control http://hotair.com/archives/2015/11/03/video-new-hillary-ad-demands-more-gun-control/
Yes, They Want to Take Your Guns Away http://thebea.st/1HmJOfM via @thedailybeast
A gun-free society http://wapo.st/1LrJxz3

Do they not realize this will destroy any possibility of obtaining the stepping stone to confiscation –Registration?
They have called for the incremental approach before, they have dropped that LIE for the nuclear option of Confiscation.

Just what could be taking place?

Ponder these points:
1. The tried and true sequence of background checks (Intergalactic and otherwise), Registration followed by Confiscation has worked in the past because people back then didn't have the perspective of history to guide them.

2. The Sandy hook shooting was probably one the best and LAST chance for them to implement registration. Recall that Obama has just stolen.. been elected to a 2nd term and the Democratic National Socialist party was on top of the world. And they failed in this effort.

3. With this past history in mind, they are now "Petal to the Metal" in favour of Confiscation without any pretenses or falsehoods to cover it.

Is it just that the nation's Socialist have gone 'round the bend, or can we explain this Phenomena?

Allow me to Prognosticate what may be happening:

1. They think they can LIE their way out of this one.
Always a possibility, but why bother with talk of the 'C' word in the first place? They can pull in the 'something for nothing crowd'(in this case safety) with their basic tripe about the subject without the needing to fool others later on... No, that isn't the explanation..

2. Now that they've made the big mistake of admitting the obvious, they have no other choice than their current course of action. This is also a plausible reason, but they haven';t had qualms about lying in the past and this issue is certainly no exception. .. No, were this the case they would simply say that they were taken of context and don't believe you're lying eyes (or ears as the case may be) and move on without compounding the problem with more talk of the same..

3. It is a rope a dope -Get the Pro-Liberty Conservative side of the aisle to overreact and thus make them look reasonable by comparison (as if that is even possible).
This is admittedly a better rationale, but its possible benefits don't counterbalance the danger in admitting to their end game.

4. Desperation - The nation's leftists are realizing their chances for implementing Socialism and Confiscation are slipping away and they are acting out in desperation. What this may yield them is very hard to discern, but these circumstances breed recklessness.

Perhaps they think that this Confiscation talk will intimidate (the opposite to 4.) the Pro-Liberty side and get us to compromise on Intergalactic Background Checks.
Perhaps they think that they can confiscate our guns without the ruse of registration.
I just don't know at this point.

5. They want to lose. Let me repeat that: They want to lose.

Before you adjudicate me daft, let me defend my prognostication by first explaining how they want to lose first before addressing the question of Why.

The 'How' is simple - bring up the death Nell for any campaign out side the national socialist elite circles. Hilary is doing this with an ad for Gun Control along with the afore mentioned Confiscation talk.

Now, the Why is a little more tricky...Which brings us back to the beginning.... And thus the reason for writing this...

So what do you think people?

Are explanations 4 and 5 plausible or is there any other rationale for what the leftist national Socialist American Workers' party is doing these day?


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To: Torcert
I think it's a bit of triangulation going on - get the most radical, unacceptable proposal out there and pretend that settling for less is some sort of "compromise" on their part, and that their opponents not budging is a sign of intransigence on theirs. Rinse and repeat.

Also, having run roughshod over the American public on so much for the last eight years, demanding everything no longer looks so impossible.

41 posted on 11/04/2015 4:32:05 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Torcert

I see dead socialists walking.


42 posted on 11/04/2015 4:35:01 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: sergeantdave

In all candor.. I lost myself in that last part because I cannot discern Just why they are doing this, unless as someone suggested, they already have the election in the bag.

But I will try to summarize my conclusions.


43 posted on 11/04/2015 4:35:15 PM PST by Torcert (Che Guevara is DEAD - Get Over it!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Leftists are dumb.

That is how they got control of almost every government agency, the schools, and even corporate policy. That is how they managed to destroy moral values.

Wake up! Conservatives are losing the cultural wars because liberals have plans on which they follow through. Conservatives fight back with angry blogging.

Who is smarter?

44 posted on 11/04/2015 4:35:41 PM PST by GingisK
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To: Billthedrill

That could be a reason, but in this case it blows up the reason anyone would cooperate with any kind of registration scam.

Although I’m reticent to use the term ‘Everybody knows’, that is the characterization I would apply to the fact that with each and every mass shooting in a “Gun Free” zone, the nation’s Socialists always come back for another bite of the cake....


45 posted on 11/04/2015 4:39:24 PM PST by Torcert (Che Guevara is DEAD - Get Over it!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

“When socialists are about to lose power, it’s what they do to retain it. Manufacture crisis and capitalize on it.”

I don’t know, Norm. That’s starting to become a stinky cliche.

Manufacturing a crises was tried in Poland in 1989 and failed. The same in East Germany, Romania and Czechoslavakia. Ditto in Russia back in 1989.

The most recent example we have of a manufactured crisis was Qaddhafi in the Libyan civil war in 2011. He ordered his army to shoot Libyans and 75% of the army deserted. Qaddhafi ended up raped and shot dead on the hood of an SUV.

IMO, we’re entering a new new world order that will destroy he old new world order.


46 posted on 11/04/2015 4:40:18 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Torcert

If they want to lose then it’s because they know they have made things so bad that no matter what the next guy/gal does it will be too late and the media will do 2-4 years of blame on the newbies to get power back in an even further lurch that will send us down the bunny path.

I don’t doubt they are isolated (just like the GOPE) in their thoughts - ‘out amongst the english’ ain’t them....they’re holed up in DC and 2-3 major cities and the colleges/universities. I just don’t think that’s why they are coming out proclaiming this now. They’ve never done that before. So I think unfortunately it’s the fact they know things are “that bad”. Which would explain why even some media types like Ted K (?) I was reading yesterday are starting to talk about prepping for bad things.


47 posted on 11/04/2015 4:57:41 PM PST by reed13k (w)
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To: sergeantdave

Mit stink. Might be cliche. Granted. But they do it repeatedly.


48 posted on 11/04/2015 5:18:42 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Embrace Existential Cage Theory. Solutions start at home.)
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To: Torcert

Cloward Piven and Alinksy. Their INTENT is to foment civil disputes by un-legislated bureaucratic action (ie. regulatory confiscation or exec. order registration and transaction recordkeeping for private sales).

The ramping up of civil disturbances and revolt then creates the need for the federalized police state without due process or jurisdiction. Clamor from the great masses of the duped and dopiers... the TV generation and the iphone “lemmings”.

They have no idea the response they are going to and are now getting. But, it could still happened when we are governed by judges and not by the consent of ourselves. Key element to this— will there be enough of the “converted” power loving police to accomplish this? Answer: No. Without going into strategic and tactical realities of trying to imprison or shoot everyone.

Remember— the goal of the bolshies was to create enough laws that EVERYONE is breaking the law and subject to... punishment and subjugation.


49 posted on 11/04/2015 5:19:20 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Torcert

Why? Because they can’t hide their obvious intentions anymore and they can’t restrain their enthusiasm for this non-starter.


50 posted on 11/04/2015 5:42:30 PM PST by RC one (....and subject to the jurisdiction thereof)
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To: Torcert
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51 posted on 11/04/2015 5:52:24 PM PST by HotHunt
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To: Norm Lenhart

We gotta watch how it unfolds in Europe. If the Bundestag is burned to the ground or Merkel is hanged from a lamppost, then the leftists need to say “Oops!” it ain’t working no more.

We are entering the age of 21st century asymmetrical warfare, IMO, and the tactics of Lenin and Alinsky may be passe. Let us watch and see.


52 posted on 11/04/2015 6:34:04 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: reed13k

My rationale for postulating that reasoning on that is that their intent is to ultimately destroy the country, and the means by which they bring that about doesn’t matter to them.


53 posted on 11/04/2015 7:47:50 PM PST by Torcert (Che Guevara is DEAD - Get Over it!)
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To: John S Mosby

That is a distinct possibility.
They foment civil unrest by directly going after the people’s rights and any push back will be the people’s fault and not them.


54 posted on 11/04/2015 7:51:25 PM PST by Torcert (Che Guevara is DEAD - Get Over it!)
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To: Torcert

There always seems to be a dichotomy between the elitists and the duped.


55 posted on 11/05/2015 5:22:04 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: sergeantdave

1. They think they can LIE their way out of this one
2. Now that they’ve made the big mistake of admitting the obvious, they have no other choice than their current course of action.
3. It is a rope a dope
4. Desperation
5. They want to lose.
I fully realize that item 5 makes no sense, but neither does clamoring for confiscation at this point in time.

Kommodor postulated a sixth option:
“You forgot option #6: They believe that they have the 2016 election in the bag already via skewed demographics, fraud, etc., and no longer feel the need to hide their agenda. In fact, they revel in taunting rubbing their enemies noses in it.”

The only conclusion I can make is that there are things going on behind the scenes that would explain some of these bizarre actions on the part of the Democratic National Socialist Party...

Or that different factions of the left have different agendas and goals.

Some may be way out of touch and they think they are still in ascendency, while others have nefarious plans for sparking a civil war or other conflicts.

That’s about the best I can do at this time with the information at hand.

Sorry I couldn’t be more helpful.


56 posted on 11/05/2015 7:40:11 AM PST by Torcert (Che Guevara is DEAD - Get Over it!)
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To: MrB

Yes, one part doesn’t know what the other is doing.


57 posted on 11/05/2015 7:41:13 AM PST by Torcert (Che Guevara is DEAD - Get Over it!)
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To: HotHunt

Thank you for posting that - can I ‘borrow’ it?


58 posted on 11/05/2015 7:42:12 AM PST by Torcert (Che Guevara is DEAD - Get Over it!)
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To: GingisK

“Leftists are dumb.

That is how they got control of almost every government agency, the schools, and even corporate policy. That is how they managed to destroy moral values.”

Wrong. Evil prospers when good men do nothing. The Republicans spent 30 years ignoring the problem, and the last 8 years JOINING with them.


59 posted on 11/05/2015 7:47:45 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) since Nov 2014 (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: MikeSteelBe

There was actually an Americas Morning News story/interview piece the other morning I heard bemoaning the fact that these records were all piled up in boxes with no funding or direction to organize and database them!


60 posted on 11/05/2015 7:59:13 AM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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