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Obama to Mexico: A lot of the guns here came from us
Hotair ^ | 05/04/2013 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 05/05/2013 6:35:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Excuse me, Barack Obama actually said “the United States,” but the headline would be more accurate. While the President told an audience in Mexico that “Most of the guns used to commit violence here in Mexico come from the United States,” he somehow forgot to mention that thousands of them came specifically under the auspices of the ATF and the Department of Justice during his first term (via Real Clear Politics):

And we also recognize that most of the guns used to commit violence here in Mexico come from the United States. (Applause.) I think many of you know that in America, our Constitution guarantees our individual right to bear arms, and as President I swore an oath to uphold that right and I always will. But at the same time, as I’ve said in the United States, I will continue to do everything in my power to pass common-sense reforms that keep guns out of the hands of criminals and dangerous people. That can save lives here in Mexico and back home in the United States. It’s the right thing to do. (Applause.) So we’ll keep increasing the pressure on gun traffickers who bring illegal guns into Mexico. We’ll keep putting these criminals where they belong — behind bars.

Really? So what’s going on with the investigation into Operation Fast & Furious? Last we heard, the Attorney General of the United States was obstructing Congressional access to materials related to the ATF and DoJ operation, even in the face of Congressional subpoenas and a contempt of Congress citation. Those firearms were used in hundreds of murders in Mexico and at least two in the United States, but so far Obama’s own Cabinet official won’t cooperate in the investigation into how the administration put those weapons into the hands of those criminals.

Michael Ramirez puts the disconnect between Obama’s rhetoric and actions in its proper perspective:

CLICK ABOVE LINK FOR THE VIDEO



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: banglist; fastandfurious; guncontrol; guns; mexico; obama; obamamexicospeech; obamamexicotrip; secondamendment; waronterror

1 posted on 05/05/2013 6:35:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

He should know where those guns came from, HE along with the rest of his ilk SENT THEM TO MEXICO.


2 posted on 05/05/2013 6:36:42 AM PDT by Progov (I'm for HONEST government)
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To: SeekAndFind

No, they didn’t, largely....them Mexicans drug lords don’t shoot semi-autos....they go for the full-on-Auto-Monty. It’s true, some of them weapons may be American, but they’re American because some wigged out, panty wadded liberal Administration communist gave some Marxist Mexican group so many greenbacks they partied and went out and got some REAL AKs, M-4s whatever.....for the pistolas? Hell, they probably have a full-up machine shop for auto Glocks, etc.


3 posted on 05/05/2013 6:40:19 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind
Strange how rarely he uses the words "United States".

He usually says "my country" or "our country". I'm still not exactly sure which country he considers "his" country.

The man is a disgrace to his race. The human race.

4 posted on 05/05/2013 6:40:52 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Progov

5 posted on 05/05/2013 6:48:56 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: SeekAndFind

“A lot of the guns here came from us”

Well... I’m pretty sure that they were either confiscated from ‘us’, or our tax money paid for them, so whether he said U.S. or ‘us’, it’s true.


6 posted on 05/05/2013 6:50:56 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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7 posted on 05/05/2013 6:51:49 AM PDT by MestaMachine
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To: KeyLargo

Mexico ‘got’ extradition of guns as trials for U.S. runners.


8 posted on 05/05/2013 6:53:28 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: SeekAndFind; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; La Lydia; TADSLOS; sickoflibs
Obomba told Mexico that a lot of the guns their drug cartels use to kill people that try to stop them "came from us." O then donned his sombrero and did the Mexican hat dance on the podium.


9 posted on 05/05/2013 6:55:19 AM PDT by Liz (To learn who rules over you, determine who you are not allowed to criticize. Voltaire)
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To: Progov

By “us” he means Eric Holder and himself.


10 posted on 05/05/2013 6:56:33 AM PDT by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: All
CHICAGO L/E, PLEASE PASS THIS ALONG---Obomba told Mexican officials that a lot of the guns their drug cartels use to kill people that try to stop them "came from us."


Mexican cartels dispatch agents deep inside US - spread into non-border states (NY Post excerpt)

CHICAGO (AP) — Mexican drug cartels whose operatives once rarely ventured beyond the US border are dispatching some of their most trusted agents to live and work deep inside the United States — an emboldened presence that experts believe is meant to tighten their grip on the world's most lucrative narcotics market and maximize profits.

If left unchecked, authorities say, the cartels' move into the American interior could render the syndicates harder than ever to dislodge and pave the way for them to expand into other criminal enterprises such as prostitution, kidnapping- and-extortion rackets and money laundering.

In Mexico, the cartels are known for a staggering number of killings — more than 50,000, according to one tally. Beheadings are a signature. So far, cartels don't appear to be directly responsible for large numbers of slayings in the United States, though the Texas Department of Public Safety reported 22 killings and five kidnappings in Texas at the hands of Mexican cartels from 2010 through mid- 2011. Still, police worry that increased cartel activity could fuel heightened violence.--SNIP--

In Chicago, narco/cop Commander James O'Grady, said street-gang disputes over turf account for most of the city's uptick in murders last year, when slayings topped 500 for the first time since 2008.

Although the cartels aren't dictating the territorial wars, they are the source of drugs. Riley's assessment is stark: He argues that the cartels should be seen as an underlying cause of Chicago's disturbingly high murder rate. "They are the puppeteers," he said. "Maybe the shooter didn't know and maybe the victim didn't know that. But if you follow it down the line, the cartels are ultimately responsible."

SOURCE http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/mexican_cartels_dispatch_agents_ZsKwR5wQCvQvpBXnejs1TJ

11 posted on 05/05/2013 6:59:59 AM PDT by Liz (To learn who rules over you, determine who you are not allowed to criticize. Voltaire)
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To: KeyLargo

Right. We won’t even bring charges against eric boy holder. Meh-ee-ko actually stands a better chance of charging anybody. Not that they’ll get anybody. That is unless the greyhound is headed down the road.


12 posted on 05/05/2013 7:00:25 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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13 posted on 05/05/2013 7:03:55 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The only reason Mexico manufactures anything is because a US company set up a assembly operation there.

Mexico doesn't have an indigenous firearms industry for the same reasons it doesn't have an indigenous computer chip industry.

14 posted on 05/05/2013 7:07:40 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: rktman
It's not even that he hasn't charged Holder. In this interview with Univision, he completely covers Holder's ass and says the operation began under his predecessor and that when Holder found out about it, he ended it and those responsibe for it were held accountable.

In other words, he lied through his effing teeth.


Click pic for video

15 posted on 05/05/2013 7:09:29 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Last Dakotan

You know it and he knows it. What don’t YOU get? It’s simple. He knows the American people don’t care so he’s taunting us.


16 posted on 05/05/2013 7:09:51 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Last Dakotan
The only reason Mexico manufactures anything is because a US company set up a assembly operation there.

Mexico doesn't have an indigenous firearms industry for the same reasons it doesn't have an indigenous computer chip industry.

They make tequila and Kahlua there. Doesn't that count for something? /s

17 posted on 05/05/2013 7:16:12 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: SeekAndFind

Every time this CS goes to another country he badmouths ours.

He is not an American.


18 posted on 05/05/2013 7:18:29 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: SeekAndFind

The legacy of Fast & Furious.


19 posted on 05/05/2013 7:29:10 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: SeekAndFind
He also blamed America for drug use.

Of course, he didn't say that he was one of those drug users!

In his book, he claimed to be on drugs most of high school.

Limbaugh's Theorem - corollary: It's America's fault , but it's not Obama's.

20 posted on 05/05/2013 7:29:21 AM PDT by eCSMaster ("God bless Planned Parenthood"- B.H.Obama, 2013)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well the guy’s a lying liar and why are we constantly shocked and angered that he has lied yet again? He lies constantly about everything.


21 posted on 05/05/2013 7:32:48 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SeekAndFind
This gun's for you ... ... courtesy of the US Dept of Just Us.
22 posted on 05/05/2013 7:38:23 AM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell, Huxley and Rand warned us about 0bama's USA)
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To: Progov

Yep - he meant that he and Holder were responsible for arming them. The government is the only entity that can make that much of a difference in moving that much armament across any border.


23 posted on 05/05/2013 7:40:59 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Texas Eagle

What? No way king hussein lied. About anything. Ever. Just ask him. If he’s busy on the links you can always ask jo jo biteme for a straight answer.


24 posted on 05/05/2013 8:11:56 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: rktman

Sorry to burst your bubble. Heh, heh.


25 posted on 05/05/2013 8:20:19 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: SeekAndFind

26 posted on 05/05/2013 8:24:27 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to detonate anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

27 posted on 05/05/2013 8:25:43 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to detonate anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: SeekAndFind

obama logic

the guns in Mexico come from us
we bad

the drugs in America come from Mexico
we bad


28 posted on 05/05/2013 8:38:48 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: silverleaf

That logical inconsistency has been going on for years: With guns, supply (U.S.) creates the demand; yet with drugs, demand (U.S.) creates the supply. The only consistency with that position is, the U.S. is always to blame.


29 posted on 05/05/2013 8:45:12 AM PDT by kevao (.)
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To: SeekAndFind
And we also recognize that most of the guns used to commit violence here in Mexico come from the United States.

Even WITH the F&F scam guns, I'm sure that's not a true statement. It's based on the old "90% of the guns which were traced", but since full auto's originating in China or wherever are more less untraceable, they're really saying 90% of 10% of Mexico crime guns are of US origin. Why would cartels want to pay full US retail when they can get more military-grade guns at wholesale elsewhere?

30 posted on 05/05/2013 8:58:50 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: kevao
I know. I pointed that out to my Dad. Not the contradiction, per se, but the fact that they claim that the US creates both the gun problem via supply and the drug problem via demand and he says "Both statements are true." I was so in logical shock the only response I could come up with was "But they can't possibly both be true at the same time."

If I'd had my thinking cap on, I could have done better. I'd have asked "If I told you that people in country A are engaging in activity that may encourage people in country B to break the laws of country B, and ask you who's to blame, your answer is going to be 'The Americans'???" Knowing his personality, I think then he'd have seen the contradiction.

31 posted on 05/05/2013 9:05:12 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

Just turn it around on him. Argue that the drug problem is due to supply from Mexico and that the gun problem is due to demand in Mexico. He might notice the contradiction if it comes from you.


32 posted on 05/05/2013 9:13:22 AM PDT by kevao (.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey Barry,don’t take all the credit for yoursrlf!Remember your “Partner In Crime’over at Justice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


33 posted on 05/05/2013 9:13:42 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: SeekAndFind

So he is now admitting Fast and Furious? Amazing.


34 posted on 05/05/2013 9:25:10 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ( EVERY DIME Obama Spends is given to him by the Republicans in the House.)
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To: kevao

Too late; he passed away. I won’t get to talk to him for a while, except in my head. No sorrow; he was a good man and lived to a good [very] old age.


35 posted on 05/05/2013 9:51:52 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Obama to Mexico: A lot of the guns here came from us ME
36 posted on 05/05/2013 9:59:33 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Progov
The plan all along was to get guns into Mexico and then blame America in order to chip away at the 2nd amendment.
The discovery of his plan and uncovering of Fast and Furious just put the plan on the back burner for a time. The press has buried the news sufficiently now, freeing him up to proceed to implementation.
Freepers called it right from the start.
37 posted on 05/05/2013 10:01:43 AM PDT by weston (As far as I'm concerned, it's Christ or nothing!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth

As we discussed in a previous analysis, the 90 percent number was derived from a June 2009 U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) report to Congress on U.S. efforts to combat arms trafficking to Mexico (see external link).

According to the GAO report, some 30,000 firearms were seized from criminals by Mexican authorities in 2008. Of these 30,000 firearms, information pertaining to 7,200 of them (24 percent) was submitted to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) for tracing. Of these 7,200 guns, only about 4,000 could be traced by the ATF, and of these 4,000, some 3,480 (87 percent) were shown to have come from the United States. Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth

This means that the 87 percent figure relates to the number of weapons submitted by the Mexican government to the ATF that could be successfully traced and not from the total number of weapons seized by Mexican authorities or even from the total number of weapons submitted to the ATF for tracing. In fact, the 3,480 guns positively traced to the United States equals less than 12 percent of the total arms seized in Mexico in 2008 and less than 48 percent of all those submitted by the Mexican government to the ATF for tracing. This means that almost 90 percent of the guns seized in Mexico in 2008 were not traced back to the United States.


38 posted on 05/05/2013 2:22:23 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: Still Thinking
Too late; he passed away.

Sorry to hear that.

39 posted on 05/07/2013 10:34:42 AM PDT by kevao (.)
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