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Details of the history of inner Eurasia revealed by new study
EurekAlert! ^ | Monday, April 29, 2019 | Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History

Posted on 04/29/2019 7:45:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

An international team of researchers... In a study published in Nature Ecology & Evolution... found that the indigenous populations of inner Eurasia are very diverse in their genes, culture and languages, but divide into three groups that stretch across the area in east-west geographic bands...

This vast area can also be divided into several distinct ecological regions that stretch in largely east-west bands across Inner Eurasia, consisting of the deserts at the southern edge of the region, the steppe in the central part, taiga forests further north, and tundra towards the Arctic region. The subsistence strategies used by indigenous groups in these regions largely correlate with the ecological zones, for example reindeer herding and hunting in the tundra region and nomadic pastoralism on the steppe...

For this study, the researchers analyzed DNA from 763 individuals from across the region as well as reanalyzed the genome-wide data from two ancient individuals from the Botai culture, and compared those results with previously published data from modern and ancient individuals...

The northernmost grouping, which they term "forest-tundra", includes Russians, all Uralic language-speakers, which includes Hungarian, Finnish and Estonian, and Yeniseian-language speakers, of which only one remains today and is spoken in central Siberia. The middle grouping, which they term "steppe-forest", includes Turkic- and Mongolic-speaking populations from the Volga and the region around the Altai and Sayan mountains, near to where Russia, China, Mongolia and Kazakhstan meet. The southernmost grouping, "southern-steppe", includes the rest of Turkic- and Mongolic-speaking populations living further south, such as Kazakhs, Kyrgyzs and Uzbeks, as well as Indo-European-speaking Tajiks.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: botai; epigraphyandlanguage; estonians; finns; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; hungarians; kazakhs; kyrgyzs; mongols; russians; siberians; tajiks; turks; uralic; uzbeks; yeniseian
Children from one of the Tajikistan communities included in the study. Credit: Elena Balanovska

Children from one of the Tajikistan communities included in the study. Credit: Elena Balanovska

1 posted on 04/29/2019 7:45:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 04/29/2019 7:47:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

The Indo-Europeans went through the area on their way to else where.

Some rather large migrations came from the east and went to the west, Mongols and Huns to name just two. Both took slaves by the many many and sent them back to their homeland to for work, play and breeding stock.

Oh, and before there were Russians, there was the Rus warlords stomping through the area doing the same thing as the Hun and Mongols.

That there’s a lot of genetic mix is kind of a - duh, I would think.

Oh, and Eurasian women can be incredibly hot.


3 posted on 04/29/2019 8:08:51 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Grimmy
At some point in prehistory, the Indo-Europeans came from there. During the natural pulse of the climate, there have been large-scale egresses from Central Asia, spilling out in all directions, including into India, Mongolia, China, the steppe and Europe, Anatolia, and the Middle East.

4 posted on 04/29/2019 8:37:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Nope.

The “Indo-Europeans came from the arctic circle. Those that became the Indians came from the Asian side, those that became the Europeans came from the Nordic side.

You made me read that book so it’s your fault I keep bringing that up.


5 posted on 04/29/2019 8:55:00 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Grimmy
What book is this?

6 posted on 04/29/2019 9:08:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

https://www.amazon.com/Baltic-Origins-Homers-Epic-Tales/dp/1594770522


7 posted on 04/29/2019 9:10:48 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: SunkenCiv

This one is harder to read but it’s using ancient Sanskrit sources that seem to point heavily to be written while above the arctic circle.

https://www.amazon.com/Arctic-Home-Vedas-Gangadhar-Tilak-ebook/dp/B007WKLE9C


8 posted on 04/29/2019 9:12:32 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: SunkenCiv

Perhaps you already listen, but I enjoy Wells Genetics Insight podcast:

https://insitome.libsyn.com

Topical and easy enough for us lowly laymen. Any geneticist who also owns a nightclub is worth a follow.

https://mobile.twitter.com/spwells?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor


9 posted on 04/29/2019 9:23:09 PM PDT by ameribbean expat (Socialism is like a nude beach - - sounds great til you actually get there. -- David Burge.)
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To: Grimmy
Heh... I remember now, I put a gun to your head and everything. Homer wasn't just one person, but the Iliad and Odyssey are defintely set in the Mediterranean basin (the Odyssey is only superficially set in the Med basin, since it's filled with romance-novel witches, bondage, and such; I agree with Samuel Butler that it was written by a woman).
The idea of a lost ancient civilization located at the North Pole at a time when its climate was friendlier to human habitation...
That's a nice trick, since the North Pole is in the middle of the Arctic Ocean. But I'm going to add those books to my shopping list. :^)

10 posted on 04/29/2019 9:27:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: ameribbean expat
Thanks!

11 posted on 04/29/2019 9:28:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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The Authoress of the Odyssey by Samuel Butler [1922]
https://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/aoto/index.htm

Chapter XIII. Further Evidence in Support of an Early Ionian Settlement at Trapani
https://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/aoto/aoto40.htm

https://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/aoto/img/16400.jpg

https://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/aoto/img/21701.jpg

Chapter IX. The Voyages of Ulysses Shown to be a Sail Round Sicily
https://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/aoto/aoto36.htm


12 posted on 04/29/2019 10:33:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


13 posted on 04/30/2019 8:08:39 AM PDT by Wuli
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European languages linked to migration from the east
Nature | 12 February 2015 | Ewen Callaway
Posted on 02/13/2015 12:32:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3257279/posts


14 posted on 05/19/2019 9:37:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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Then in 2016, a true ghost emerged from the genomes of 44 individuals who lived in the Middle East between 14,000 and 3400 years ago. Their DNA held genetic markers indicative of a distinct group of ancient H. sapiens based in the region more than 45,000 years ago. The members of this population are now known as Basal Eurasians, and they present a conundrum. Their DNA, which is still found in modern Europeans, shows none of the telltale signs of interbreeding with Neanderthals. This came as a surprise because ancestral humans mated with Neanderthals very soon after leaving Africa 60,000 years ago in the migration that was to give rise to all people of non-African heritage alive today... the genomes of modern Africans who belong to groups with deep ancestral roots, including the Baka hunter-gatherers from Cameroon, and the Hadza and Sandawe from Tanzania. Within these genomes, they have found stretches of DNA that appear to come from another hominin species. Because this DNA is found only in the descendants of African people - not in any Eurasians - the ghost species must have interbred with H. sapiens after the out-of-Africa migration 60,000 years ago. In fact, by the team's calculations, this probably happened within the past 30,000 years. If true, this is huge. It means that until very recently, there was at least one other species of hominin living alongside us in Africa. According to Akey, soon-to-be published evidence suggests there might have been more than one... It now transpires that Denisovans had their own ghosts. People living in Oceania and East and South-East Asia today have inherited about 5 per cent of their DNA from Denisovans. By taking a closer look at these genetic sequences, Akey's team found that they don't all relate to the original finger-bone genome in the same way. In fact, the group found signs of two evolutionarily distinct Denisovan populations. "That was really unexpected," he says. "There's actually another, ghost, Denisovan lineage."

Traces of mystery ancient humans found lurking in our genomes | October 10, 2018 | Catherine Brahic | New Scientist

15 posted on 05/19/2019 9:47:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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