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Israeli Archaeologist Excavates Sobibor Death Camp To Reveal The Nazis' Buried Secrets
Haretz ^ | August 21, 2012 | The Associated Press

Posted on 08/28/2012 7:11:00 PM PDT by DogByte6RER

Israeli archaeologist digs into Sobibor death camp in search of Nazi killing machines

Yoram Haimi's biggest breakthrough yet: mapping of what the Germans called the Himmelfahrsstrasse, or the 'Road to Heaven,' a path upon which the inmates were marched naked into the gas chambers.

Sobibor Excavated August 2012, Site of the Sobibor death camp run be German nazis during WWII

When Israeli archaeologist Yoram Haimi decided to investigate his family's unknown Holocaust history, he turned to the skill he knew best: He began to dig.

After learning that two of his uncles were murdered in the infamous Sobibor death camp, he embarked on a landmark excavation project that is shining new light on the workings of one of the most notorious Nazi killing machines, including pinpointing the location of the gas chambers where hundreds of thousands were killed.

Sobibor, in eastern Poland, marks perhaps the most vivid example of the "Final Solution," the Nazi plot to wipe out European Jewry. Unlike other camps that had at least a facade of being prison or labor camps, Sobibor and the neighboring camps Belzec and Treblinka were designed specifically for exterminating Jews. Victims were transported there in cattle cars and gassed to death almost immediately.

But researching Sobibor has been difficult. After an October 1943 uprising at the camp, the Nazis shut it down and leveled it to the ground, replanting over it to cover their tracks.

Today, tall trees cover most of the former camp grounds. Because there were so few survivors - only 64 were known - there has never been an authentic layout of the camp, where the Nazis are believed to have murdered some 250,000 Jews over an 18-month period.

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...


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Himmler's henchman and death camp architect Odilo Globocnik at Sobibor.

1 posted on 08/28/2012 7:11:08 PM PDT by DogByte6RER
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To: DogByte6RER

Sad job.


2 posted on 08/28/2012 7:13:12 PM PDT by doc1019 (Given my choices, I will not be voting this time around.)
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To: DogByte6RER

God, I wish for justice here on earth - but I will wait for eternal judgement.


3 posted on 08/28/2012 7:16:02 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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To: DogByte6RER

Some day, we will run America, and we will be called "democrats"...

4 posted on 08/28/2012 7:16:14 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: DogByte6RER

Bump


5 posted on 08/28/2012 7:17:15 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: doc1019

I’ll say. The one book I read about the extermination camps still upsets me.


6 posted on 08/28/2012 7:17:35 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: DogByte6RER


7 posted on 08/28/2012 7:22:15 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Amberdawn

As a second generation Christian with a strong Jewish heritage, I couldn’t do this. I have read everything I could get my hands on about this episode of world history and ... I couldn’t do this.


8 posted on 08/28/2012 7:24:37 PM PDT by doc1019 (Given my choices, I will not be voting this time around.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Escape From Sobibor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7_O6qhn5cQ


9 posted on 08/28/2012 7:26:10 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: DogByte6RER

Looks like a fair number of my relatives died in this camp. I just found it out.


10 posted on 08/28/2012 7:28:54 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: DogByte6RER
There's a made-for-TV 1980s movie Escape from Sobibor. I watched the original airing, but I don't think I've seen it listed any where since.

About the only thing that sticks in my mind was the escape scene, with some of the escapees hitting mines outside the camp.

FWIW, IMDB has it starring Alan Arkin, Rutger Hauer, & Joanna Pacula.

11 posted on 08/28/2012 7:30:19 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: DogByte6RER

On thing has always shocked me was how many people went along with it. From camp guards, to railroad engineers, to educated officers, there was at the very least a criminal and evil detachment employed by thousands of Germans. I never understood it..


12 posted on 08/28/2012 7:31:10 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Do I really need a /s tag?)
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To: DogByte6RER

One thing has always shocked me was how many people went along with it. From camp guards, to railroad engineers, to educated officers, there was at the very least a criminal and evil detachment employed by thousands of Germans. I never understood it..


13 posted on 08/28/2012 7:31:21 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Do I really need a /s tag?)
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To: Calvin Locke

I posted the YouTube link in #9.


14 posted on 08/28/2012 7:32:33 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: DogByte6RER

Dare I say “thanks for posting”?

Constant reminders are needed, especially in the generation of the Fig Tree.
God knows our enemies, those pictured and MORE, yet we mortals seem to need reminders.


15 posted on 08/28/2012 7:42:54 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: cardinal4

Four of the most evil words spoken. “Survival of the fittest”.


16 posted on 08/28/2012 7:43:06 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Bocephus hits a home run! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_vjPqAVzI)
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To: cardinal4

I don’t understand, either. Somebody published a photo album of the Auschwitz death camp staff & guards and their wives, at a picnic or something. Smiling, content, enjoying the fresh air.

One would have expected grim looks with jaws set, “look, dammit, we’re just doing our rotten jobs in this cursed war, G-d help us.”

Nothing like that at all in those pics.


17 posted on 08/28/2012 7:44:18 PM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!)
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To: DogByte6RER

When my brother went to elementary school on Long Island in the 50s he had a teacher tell the class ‘those camps’ never existed. It was all a lie.

Thank goodness for this diligence and others to keep telling the story, so it cannot be lied about, ever.


18 posted on 08/28/2012 8:01:15 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: cardinal4
On thing has always shocked me was how many people went along with it. From camp guards, to railroad engineers, to educated officers, there was at the very least a criminal and evil detachment employed by thousands of Germans. I never understood it..

A couple of books I'd recommend if you're interested in understanding it are 1) The Nazi Doctors, by Robert J. Lifton, and 2) The Road to Serfdom, by F. A. Hayek.

Neither book alone will do it, but the two combined ought to put you well on your way to understanding the psychology of how things can reach the point they did in Nazi Germany.

19 posted on 08/28/2012 8:04:20 PM PDT by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: DogByte6RER

I highly recommend that you find a way to view the film,
“The Boy in the Striped Pajamas.”


20 posted on 08/28/2012 8:05:23 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: cardinal4
One thing has always shocked me was how many people went along with it

on an entirely different level, of course, if you look at our own government and how the Democrats have led us into this disaster that is here and now, you will understand how glib speech, convincing phrases, repetition, can lead an entire country astray. If you appear to be on my side, give me what I want, take from others to give to me, I will follow you wherever you lead....Germans then, Americans now.

21 posted on 08/28/2012 8:08:20 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: cardinal4

>On thing has always shocked me was how many people went along with it.

***

When the church is not “salt & light” & preaching about sin, clowns entertain the goats, and your country goes to hell right before your eyes.

May we do better.


22 posted on 08/28/2012 8:15:44 PM PDT by ROTB (Live holy, forgive all & pray in Jesus' name. Trust He is willing & able & eager to ANSWER BIG!)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
God, I wish for justice here on earth - but I will wait for eternal judgement.

I echo that sentiment.

23 posted on 08/28/2012 8:40:02 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: cardinal4
If you want to understand Nazi rationalizations, simply look at Democrats. They wallow in the same hatreds and self justifying mendacity as the Nazis. The eugenic "scientific" explanations, the rejection of linear logic, the inability to offer non-emotional reasoning to problems, and the ridiculous claims of an alternate morality that gives them the right to murder all who might dare to oppose them...

I sort of hope The Great Leader actually sidesteps the election. We can then create a Final Solution for Liberal Treason.

It's not the least bit odd that, after 40 years of quietly tolerating their hatred, the concept of feeding all registered democrats into a Sobibor is almost attractive, if for no other reason than to short circuit their lust for ultimate power...

24 posted on 08/28/2012 8:55:28 PM PDT by jonascord (Any Democrat = Classic examples of the Downing Effect.)
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To: Nailbiter

bflr


25 posted on 08/28/2012 9:24:38 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: terycarl

40 million abortions since Roe v Wade. And counting...


26 posted on 08/28/2012 9:24:40 PM PDT by alpo (What would Selco do?)
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To: Tucker39

The best treatment of the Holocaust, was “War and Remembrance”. There are scenes that will never leave you, pretty gritty stuff for a made-for-TV series in the late 1980s.


27 posted on 08/28/2012 9:27:36 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: DogByte6RER
Today, tall trees cover most of the former camp grounds. Because there were so few survivors - only 64 were known - there has never been an authentic layout of the camp, where the Nazis are believed to have murdered some 250,000 Jews over an 18-month period.

There were only two survivors out of 400,000 at Chelmno. I remember the scene in "Shoah" where the ground looks so ordinary but was actually the mass burial ground for all those human beings.

28 posted on 08/28/2012 9:36:14 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Tucker39; DogByte6RER
I highly recommend that you find a way to view the film, “The Boy in the Striped Pajamas.”

That one is excellent, as is "Devil's Arithmetic" for middle school or high school students in particular.

29 posted on 08/28/2012 9:43:57 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Wissa; cardinal4
One more: "In the Garden of Beasts: Love, Terror, and an American Family in Hitler's Berlin" by Erik Larson. It draws its title from the Tiergarten (the Garden for Animals, the Berlin Zoo).

This book is well researched, sourced from the diaries of FDR's first appointed ambassador to Germany, William Dodd, and from his family's papers. He and family were in Berlin from 1933 to 1937, and saw the day to day ratcheting up of violence and political power. The book covers the internal politics of the National Socialists, the attitudes held in the US State Dept (not surprisingly anti-Semitic, "ruling class" Harvard/Yale types, snobs), and about people they came to know in Germany who simply disappeared, some to the camps that were running even then. This is all well before the official decision in 1942 to mechanize murder on a mass scale (which is another whole area- the Wannsee Conference).

Once you get into this book, the reality will hit you (they were there in real-time) of how this movement developed into institutionalized hatred and murder (not just of Jews, but Catholics, Protestants (Lutherans), gypsies, Poles, masonics- even communists who helped them come up-anyone who was in the way of a totalitarian elitist socialist state). It describes how it was a Leftist movement that started with a wide leftist spectrum. Eerie parallels to the views and actions of the socialist/marxists who are trying to takeover the US today.

30 posted on 08/28/2012 9:59:27 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: cardinal4

“One thing has always shocked me was how many people went along with it.”

I’m Currently reading Hitlerland by Andrew Nagorski which is a chilling account of how this came about from the point of view of journalist and other expats living in Germany at the time. Some had their eyes open while others did not. It’s a fascinating point of view and too familiar for comfort.


31 posted on 08/28/2012 10:06:12 PM PDT by Thidwick
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To: jonascord
Referenced some of this in my post at #30. This book is a great read with lots of references to what you have posted- the rationalizations, the hatred, and might add the dividing up of people into groups to be "dealt with". It also shows clearly this was a leftist movement, the Nazis, and it included communists, until they no longer needed them. The communists, had they won out would have pursued the same course, maybe worse.

Once you look at nazis, then look at bolsheviks- easy to see this is just one wide left wing spectrum of totalitarianism. We cannot be doomed to repeat this- and we won't with our Constitutional Republic. Deo Vindice.

32 posted on 08/28/2012 10:08:17 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Sam Cree
When my dad was stationed in Germany in the early 1980's he became friends with the forest meister (forest ranger) who lived on the mountain behind us. I never knew his name, he was just known as "Old Hans".

Hans was a German Jew who'd worked as a logger in Canada in the 1930's but had gone back to Germany to try and get his family out. While there, he was picked up by the Gestapo and sent to a work camp, while his family was sent to a death camp.

He ended up in North Africa, preparing defensive positions for the Afrika Korps. He was captured by the Free French, who turned him over to the British, who turned him over to the Americans, and he spent the rest of the war in the POW camp in Alabama, where he spent most of his time working in the cotton fields.

As an interesting side note about Hans, he was responsible for the arrest of three key members of the Baden Meinhof Gang (aka the Red Army Faction). He was out picking mushrooms to help supplement his pension when he smelled woodsmoke. He knew that there weren't any camping areas around, so he crept up the hill and the trio (two males and a female) hiding out in a small hollow. Recognizing them from their wanted posters, he hurried back to his cabin and called the politzei, who responded with overwhelming force. My school class was on a field trip to the politzei station when they were brought in, so it was a memorable event for me.

33 posted on 08/28/2012 10:23:59 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson ("I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: doc1019

Perhaps he feels closer to his murdered relatives who died there. To search for facts about the camp could be his way of honoring and doing justice to them in his mind.


34 posted on 08/28/2012 10:24:01 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: DogByte6RER
The train station building in your photo is still there today.
35 posted on 08/28/2012 10:26:39 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: cardinal4

>One thing has always shocked me was how many people went along with it.<

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Aren’t you shocked how many of our congresscritters and political “leaders” seem to be oblivious of the spread of islam in the US and what the consequences of sharia law will be? What’s so different between islam and naziism?

Or is it perhaps that they value their jobs to the extent that they do not want to rock the boat today but expect their children to clean up the mess tomorrow?


36 posted on 08/28/2012 10:29:33 PM PDT by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as good as those who enforce it.)
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To: cardinal4
"One thing has always shocked me was how many people went along with it"

I remember seeing an interview with an old German lady years ago.She talked about hearing the stories of what was happening to Jews throughout Germany and not being able to believe they were true.When it finally sunk in that it was true she said that the congregation in her church sang louder as the rail cars rattled past the back of the church on sundays,full of Jews headed for the gas chambers.

37 posted on 08/28/2012 11:06:58 PM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: Stonewall Jackson

My husband’s family are Jewish. In the late 1930s his grandfather knew what was coming and made repeated trips to northeastern Germany to try to bring his relatives to the safety of the US. All of them were sure that everything would be all right. Only one, a recent graduate from medical school, came. She was standing at the railing of the ship when a Nazi sub surfaced and searched the ship for escaping Jewish people. She vowed that if they identified her she would jump overboard. Thankfully she reached the US safely and became a prominent doctor in Nashville.


38 posted on 08/28/2012 11:08:01 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties, we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa BB 61)
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To: jonascord
My Father was in the 11th Armored Division; thru France, at the Bulge and then into Linz Austria. The 11th was in on the liberation of Dachau, Mauthausen and several smaller camps.
The only time he would ever talk about such things was when he was thoroughly lit; about once every 4 or 5 years, otherwise he never would speak of what he experienced. I mostly remember him telling me about how even the still living, looked dead; and how there was nothing they had that could keep out the stench of the camps. A very good book that tells the story of what happened there is The Holocaust Chronicle: A History In Words And Pictures. Yes it can happen again, it can happen here. I have thought about how I would do it and it really is quite simple. A spur line into a remote Nevada desert (no witnesses). A 12 inch natural gas line to the burners below the grates, side loading, bottom dumping rail cars. A conveyor to the grinding and pulverizing mill, another conveyor to the slag pile. The railcars could be designed to administer the lethal gas on the way to the processing plant. Now days just about everything could be automated, less opportunity for human error. Just like a modern steel mill and could probably be done for less than the Solyndra deal. I know this is a horrible thing to think about, but don't ever think that the government hasn't thought about it first. Remember an awful lot of us will always be enemies in the eyes of the state. Now that I have put my self on some government list you can all tell me how horrible I am.
39 posted on 08/29/2012 12:00:11 AM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

33 ... he spent the rest of the war in the POW camp in Alabama, where he spent most of his time working in the cotton fields. ...

The largest in AL, and I think the entire U.S., was in the rural west central AL town of Aliceville. The locals have established a museum of it. Made the trip there last NOV. Other POW camps in AL were established near Anniston (Ft. McClellan), Opelika, and Daleville (Camp, now Ft., Rucker). My mother grew up on a farm in SW Barbour County (east central AL). As a school girl, she remembers the U.S. Army trucks bringing the German POWs to her parents’ farm to work the fields - mostly cotton and peanuts. Her 2 older female cousins (~15) just up the road would stand by the side of the road and wave to the POWs as the trucks drove them by.


40 posted on 08/29/2012 2:19:33 AM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: John S Mosby; jonascord

See the Hayek quote on my FR profile page. He well-understood that the Nazis and Communists of that era didn’t have a nickel’s difference between them.

It’s the 3rd one down.


41 posted on 08/29/2012 2:42:21 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

That’s a really interesting story! Good stuff.


42 posted on 08/29/2012 2:44:55 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

You don’t know what you’re talking about.


43 posted on 08/29/2012 3:05:37 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

That’s a fascinating story. Thx for posting it.


44 posted on 08/29/2012 7:21:30 AM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: DogByte6RER

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks DogByte6RER.

Creepy Nazi Bastards of WWII topic.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


45 posted on 08/29/2012 3:55:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Thidwick; John S Mosby

Thanks for the book suggestions!


46 posted on 08/29/2012 8:45:06 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: DogByte6RER

Jewish Hero of Sobibor Death Camp Revolt to be Honored
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3079020/posts


47 posted on 10/14/2013 9:47:34 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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