Population origins in Mongolia: Genetic structure analysis of ancient and modern DNA

National Center for Biotechnology Information ^ | Apr 4, 2006 | Keyser-Tracqui C, Crubezy E, Pamzsav H, Varga T, Ludes B.

[SunkenCiv]

In the present study, nuclear (autosomal and Y-chromosome short tandem repeats) and mitochondrial (hypervariable region I) ancient DNA data previously obtained from a 2,300-year-old Xiongnu population of the Egyin Gol Valley (south of Lake Baikal in northern Mongolia) (Keyser-Tracqui et al. 2003 Am. J. Hum. Genet. 73:247-260) were compared with data from two contemporary Mongolian populations: one from the same location (Egyin Gol Valley plus a perimeter of less than 100 km around the valley), and one from the whole of Mongolia. The principal objective of this comparative analysis was to assess the likelihood that genetic continuity exists between ancient and present-day Mongolian populations. Since the ancient Xiongnu sample might have been composed of some of the ancestors of the present-day Yakuts, data from a present-day Yakut population, as well as published data from Turkish populations, were also included in the comparative analysis. The main result of our study was the genetic similarity observed among Mongolian samples from different periods and geographic areas. This result supports the hypothesis that the succession over time of different Turkic and Mongolian tribes in the current territory of Mongolia resulted in cultural rather than genetic exchanges. Furthermore, it appears that the Yakuts probably did not find their origin among the Xiongnu tribes, as we previously hypothesized. Am J Phys Anthropol, 2006.

[SunkenCiv]

[SunkenCiv]

Got this from a 'blog I won't name or link to because the guy who runs it is a cryptoracist and Jew-hater. The 'blog is otherwise an excellent source of stuff like this.

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[Pharmboy]

The Yakuts did not come from the Xiongnu? I am shocked...

[blam]

"The Yakuts did not come from the Xiongnu? I am shocked..."

The Xiongnu were the bad asses of the steppes. The Yuezhi(sp) were the top dogs until the Xiongnu split them into the greater and lesser Yuezhi and the lesser Yuezhi migrated away and are probably the people we call Schytians.
The greater Yuezhi were assimilated by the Xiongnu and warred with the Han Dynasty and the Han finally defeated the Xiongnu. The Great Wall Of China was begun to keep out the Xiongnu. The Yuezhi were a Caucasian tribe and some believe the Xiongnu were also or at a minimum a mixed race group.

It is my opinion that the Hakka ('the guests') were a mix of all these racial groups and eventually migrated all the way across China after a serious drought in the north. Some migrated toward Europe and may be the Picts of Scotland(?).

[SunkenCiv]

I was flabbergasted!

[martin_fierro]

The Yakuts did not come from the Xiongnu?

Gehsundheit.

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[SunkenCiv]

Thanks.

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[Pharmboy]

Now here I was making a lame attempt at being a wise*ss and blam comes along and actually makes the whole thing pretty interesting.

Thanks, blam...when you mention the Picts, you're getting to the home turf of my Y chromosome.

[SunkenCiv]

Hey, buddy, crime doesn't pay.

;')

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Now that is REALLLY SLICK>>>>>NICE!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

What is this thread?....a demonstration thread for slick artistry and ping and bump list wizardry???

[grey_whiskers]

I wish I had more time (like 40 hours/day) to read, PING!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

The Xiongnu were the bad asses of the steppes.

Now how do we know that?

[blam]

"Now how do we know that?"

I've spent a lot of time studying that whole area.

Xiongnu And Yuezhi

BTW, some scholars think the Gansu Province of China is the homeland of the European people.

Remember this thread:

The Curse Of The Red Headed Mummy

And this one:

Siberian Graveyard's Secret (More Red-Heads)

[SunkenCiv]

Definitely. Product of cabin fever, but winter's almost over.

Seen this?

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[SunkenCiv]

Whoops, I mean this one...

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[Ptarmigan]

My understanding is Yakut language is similar to Korean. Korean is an Altai-Ural language. I have read that Koreans likely came from Lake Baikal area. I am very certain Koreans today are mix of other people, like Hakka, Arabs (Arabs traded with Koreans and lived among them), Ainu, Polynesian, and Tocharian.

[Verginius Rufus]

What about the old theory that the Xiongnu are the same as the Huns (known in European history in the 4th and 5th centuries)? The main problem might be finding anyone who could be shown to be of Hunnic ancestry to make the comparison. (The Kaiser's family doesn't count--they weren't really Huns.)

[blam]

"What about the old theory that the Xiongnu are the same as the Huns (known in European history in the 4th and 5th centuries)?"

I think there is a good possibility.