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  • Americans just don't get it................

    10/09/2001 2:05:16 PM PDT · 33 of 44
    Tariq to rhayes
    Anyone who bothers to read the Koran will realize that there are only two types of people in this world. You are either a part of Islam, an infidel, or ubeliever.

    wrong. There are 3 kinds of people: believers (Muslims, Christians, Jews); Unbelievers (i.e., those who do not worship God); and hypocrites (those who pretend to worship God to gain some advantage, but don't really believe (e.g., Saddam Hussayn)

    The Quran is QUITE clear that Christians and Jews are NOT Unbelievers. Muslims must, and do, accept them as Believers. They are, from a Muslim perspective, misguided, but they are still Believers. The best Christians will be in Heaven before the worst Muslim.

    The biggest sin in this world is to not be a Muslim.

    No, the biggest sin in Islam to to assocate other gods with God.

    Islam recognizes no such concept. There is no seperation of church and state, for the religion is the church and the state.

    Because Muslims don't exclude God from their day to day lives. There is only life. The Creator of the Universe--God--is central to that. If you disagree, that is fine.

    Individual Muslims may have a desire to live at peace and enjoy this land of freedom, but the BOOK they put their trust in recognizes no such co-operation.

    What sort of nonsense is this? The Quran is quite clear that Muslims are to live peaceably with their neighbours.

    Christianity does claim to also be the only true path to God, but Jesus did not say," Believe in me, or my followers have the right to destroy you".

    And Islam doesn't say anything like that either.

    There have many, throughout history, who had killed and maimed in the name of Christianity, but only based upon their twisted interpretations of the Bible. In the Koran, you need not twist the verses, they plainly call for the destruction of all infidels and unbelievers.

    Only when the Unbelievers (="infidels" [a word invited by the Christan Crusaders to describe Muslims btw]) attack Muslims. In that case Muslims are allowed to defend themselves until the Unbelievers stop their attack. When this happens Muslims must stop and make peace. This is both in the Quran and in Islamic law.

    A moderate American Muslim is simply one who lives between a rock and a hard place. They may not choose to follow those mainline views of the Koran, but they certainly know what their faith demands.

    Yes we do know what our faith demands. Apparently you do not since you have posted such falsehoods here.

    They know they cannot openly adhere to those commands, but I doubt seriously they privately reject them. They live like we do simply because they are less than 2% of the population have no choice. They enjoy our freedom, while their Koran calls for our destruction. That is an interesting delima.

    The Quran does not call for your destruction. You are just engaging in anti-Islamic fearmongering. Believe it or not there is a reason why Islam is the fasting growing relgion in the USA. Destruction of the USA is not it.

    Americans just don't get it, but the fact is that Islam has no intention of living at peace with us.

    Ah! I am glad one as ignorant of Islam as you has managed to speak for one billion people whom you completely misunderstand.

    It is not possible to be a true Muslim and peacefully exist with unbelievers. It is our might and power that provides us the reality of America, for if Islam possessed that power, we would not exist. They live at peace with us because they can't beat us, and that festers under their skin like a boil. They hates us because they can't whip us and impose their religion on all of us. They hate us because we are infidels and unbelievers, and accorsing to their fiath, we need to convert or die. It really is that simple..........................

    I see you must have missed the "let there be no compulsion in matters of relgion" part of the Quran. It is FORBIDDEN to impose Islam on non-Muslims

    Now if you honestly believe all that you have written, I would have to say you are seriously mislead. Why don't you find a book about the religion, even one written by a non-Muslim scholar, and find out what Islam is really about. There are lots of them on Amazon.com or B&N. After that go and re-read the Quran (assuming you actually have one) with some context.

    Usamah bin Ladin doesn't represent normative Islam anymore than David Koresh represents Christians. *Radical* Islam does have a meaning.

  • There is no more wiggle room for Muslims

    09/17/2001 8:28:49 AM PDT · 22 of 55
    Tariq to SocialMeltdown
    Second, every Muslim and Arab should undergo a background check to find any connection to any anti-American group.

    Great! Start with the NBA, then Mohammed Ali and his daughter Layla.

    If they are found to have a friend of a friend who knew someone in any group, they should be deported.

    Right on! that would be, what? a few million deportees? Of course some of those "friends of friends who knew someone" would be entire neighborhoods of people who have nothing at all to do with this, are not Muslim, nor Arab, but would be deported even though they are Americans. But that is, I am sure, a small price to pay for security. South Florida is a good place to start. Then Boston. After Boston is deported to God knows where, we can deport New York city. After a short while just the Native Americans on the reservations would be left and they will be happy. Then it is true even some of them might have a "friend of a friend who knew someone in any group" and would have to be deported, I guess back to east Asia.

    hey! wait! How do we know you don't have a "friend of a friend who knew someone in any group"???? Let's start this background check/deportation on you and your family. I bet you have a friend somewhere who has a friend who knows someone in a group. They say it is only 6 steps of contact that seperate us from anyone else in the world. It certainly be much less if you are in the same country.

    Islam is the fastest growing religion, in the world and in the USA.

    yes, out numbers Jews, Lutherans, Baptists, etc. in the USA. Do you think some of those muslims just might in fact be loyal US citizens who have been in this country for generations or are converts? Naw.

    it is just amazing to see the idiocy that follows when people can't think. Blame the US educational system I guess.

  • There is no more wiggle room for Muslims

    09/17/2001 8:04:00 AM PDT · 19 of 55
    Tariq to BobfromMichigan2001
    Because we are being overwhelmed by such large numbers of immigrants and they are not joining our churches and they are not melting into our Christian culture.

    what "Christian Culture"? There are many

    Friends, my highest goal is that we remain a Christian nation with liberty and justice for all.

    The United States of America is not a theocracy, nor a Christian Nation. It never has been either.

    First, I would demand that potential immigrants read, write and speak English proficiently at least at a 6th grade level.

    And for the Americans who don't meet this? What of them?

    Second, they must be "selected" or chosen from the upper income and or more highly educated classes in the nation that they hail from. Why? Because we want our immigration policy to strengthen our nation and thus we want ONLY the best intellectuals and most successful types of people to be eligible for immigration into America.

    Much like the well-educated terrorists that carried out the WTC attack??

    Third potential immigrants must either be well educated and have a useful University degree in a field such as medicine or engineering...

    or aviation?

    Fifth, I would make them and their family ineligible to apply for American Citizenship and any kind of government benefits, whether welfare and or social security, Medical care, housing allowance, food stamps, University or college scholarships from any government supported agency of any kind until they have lived and worked in America for at least 21 years.

    And during those 21 years I assume you will allow them to live tax-free? It is only fair after all.

    Sixth and most important of all, I would demand that in order to be eligible to obtain a visa to emigrate to America that potential immigrants must be a "Christian," any kind of "Christian....

    Muslims, Buddhists, Hindi's, Taoist's, Ba'hai's, Pagan's, Wiccan Witches or those who practice Witchcraft or Shamanism, Atheists, Agnostic's and all members of all other manifestly non-Christian religions should be absolutely, permanently and strictly denied any and all rights to emigrate to America.

    And presumably Jews as well. And what do you do with all the people who offend your religious bias who are currently US cititizens? Camps? Forced Re-Education? Kill a few million?

    By the way, when exactly do you plan on suspending the United States Constitution? The Bill of Rights?

    Friend, Will you agree with me that we want our immigration policy to make our nation stronger, not weaker?

    In a broad sense yes, but not in the specifics you suggest. Personally I like the Consistution and religious freedom. You don't. Move the the Vatican.

    Will you agree with me that anti-Christian Multi-culturalism is weakening our nation?

    No, but I will agree you are a religious bigot.

    Please open your spiritual eyes and observe the wisdom of what I am proposing.

    The shredding of the Constitution for one. The establishment of a theocracy for another.

    I want to make America stronger because I believe that a strong America is a benefit to advancing the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Can you imagine the wonderful implications for the Gospel of Jesus Christ if America were to grow stronger and stronger and wealthier in comparison to the nations of the world and if America at the same time became a more moral and more righteous and thoroughly Christian nation.

    Yes, as a matter of fact I can imagine the pogroms already, followed by a new inquisistion and burnings of those who don't meet your definition of Christian. Can you?

    Friend, are you in agreement with me?

    Since I am an American and believe in the validity of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights, no. In fact count me against you and your proposals. You sound like a "Christian" (loosely used here) version of Usama bin Laden. Go read The Handmaiden's Tale by Margret Atwood for a fictional verion of what you are suggesting. It is not a nice picture. Of course it is written by a Canadan, not a red blooded American so it might be offensive to you.

    You are a scarey man, Bob from Michigan. May God help you over come your bigotry.

  • Muslims witness support amid anger

    09/15/2001 3:09:25 PM PDT · 23 of 30
    Tariq to lormand
    They should be watching their own asses rather than assume they are harboring innocent people. How irresponsible. My survival instincts tell me not to trust any more Muslims until we route out all of the bad ones. I'm watching my back, how about you?

    I'm letting my 3 nephews watch mine. They are United States Marines. And they are Muslim too. While they are watching my back, they'll be watching yours, and everyone elses. And when the war comes, they will be there to die for you too. Will you help carry the body bags??