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  • Biography of Joseph Ratzinger

    04/19/2005 1:49:54 PM PDT · 53 of 77
    Penfold to Getsmart64

    I think there's some dancing round the May pole in the Whicker Man isn't there?

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  • Biography of Joseph Ratzinger

  • Biography of Joseph Ratzinger

    04/19/2005 1:13:33 PM PDT · 31 of 77
    Penfold to stan the beaver

    Well, let's think about it for a moment...

    1)your a young german man,
    2)your conscripted into army fighting a war you're fundamentally opposed to that runs contrary to your devout beliefs,
    3) the war is being waged by a fundamentally anti-christian Neo-Nazi party,
    4) you don't particularly want to kill people and certainly not on grounds that you consider an abhorence to moral decency...

    Erm... Yep. You're right. He should've stayed in the army and blasted a few people to smithereens. Sorry.

  • Biography of Joseph Ratzinger

    04/19/2005 1:04:22 PM PDT · 26 of 77
    Penfold to stan the beaver

    The guy can't win, on your reading... either he's a desserter or he's heading up the gestapo... make your mind up.

  • Biography of Joseph Ratzinger

    04/19/2005 12:49:20 PM PDT · 16 of 77
    Penfold to lilylangtree

    A similar thought crossed my mind...

    Maybe they didn't want someone who become as big as the jobs as it were... e.g. stepping into JPII's shoes is a pretty tough task because the guy'd been around so long...

    Maybe they think a 10 year term is sufficient?

  • Biography of Joseph Ratzinger

    04/19/2005 12:39:38 PM PDT · 12 of 77
    Penfold to stan the beaver

    Here's the guys war years bio...


    New Pope Risked Death by Deserting in WWII

    Tuesday April 19, 2005 8:16 PM


    By DAVID McHUGH

    Associated Press Writer

    BERLIN (AP) - In May 1945, thousands of German prisoners of war trudged down the highway toward the Bavarian town of Bad Aibling. Among them - tired but grateful to be alive - was 18-year-old Joseph Ratzinger, who days before had risked death by deserting the German army.

    ``In three days of marching, we hiked down the empty highway, in a column that gradually became endless,'' the new pope recalled years later in his memoirs.

    ``The American soldiers photographed us, the young ones, most of all, in order to take home souvenirs of the defeated army and its desolate personnel.''

    Like his predecessor, John Paul II, Ratzinger was marked by the terror-filled years of World War II. Karol Wojtyla was forced to work in a quarry and narrowly escaped arrest in a mass roundup of young men by the Germans in Krakow; Ratzinger's experiences were also harrowing.

    In particular, his decision to leave his army unit just after he turned military age could have cost Ratzinger his life.

    At the time, he knew that the dreaded SS units would shoot a deserter on the spot - or hang him from a lamppost as a warning to others. He recalled his terror when he was stopped by other soldiers.

    ``Thank God they were ones who had had enough of war and did not want to become murderers,'' he wrote in his book, ``Aus meinem Leben,'' published in English as ``Milestones: Memoirs 1927-1977.''

    ``They had to find a reason to let me go. I had my arm in a sling because of an injury.''

    ``Comrade, you are wounded,'' they told him. ``Go on.''

    Soon he was home with his father, Josef, and his mother, Maria.

    For years, he and his family had watched the Nazis strengthen their grip on Germany. His father, a policeman and a convinced anti-Nazi, moved the family at least once after clashing with local followers of the party. A local teacher, he remembered, became an ardent follower of the new movement, and tried to institute a pagan May pole ritual as more fitting of Germanic ways than the traditional, conservative Catholicism.

    In 1941, Ratzinger, 14, and his brother, Georg were enrolled in the Hitler Youth when it became mandatory for all boys. Soon after, he writes in his book, ``The Salt of the Earth,'' he was let out because of his intention to study for the priesthood.

    In 1943, like many teenage boys, he was drafted as a helper for an anti-aircraft brigade, which defended a BMW plant outside Munich. Later, he dug anti-tank trenches. When he turned 18, on April 16, 1945, he was put through basic training, alongside men in their 30s and 40s, drafted as the Nazi Reich went through its death agony. He was stationed near his hometown - he doesn't say where - but did not see combat with the approaching U.S. troops.

    After he returned home, the Americans finally arrived - and set up their headquarters in his parents 18th century farmhouse on the outskirts of the town.

    They identified him as a German soldier, made him put on his uniform, put up his hands, and marched him off to the town square, where other prisoners were kept. He wound up living in the open air for several weeks, surrounded by barbed wire.

    He was finally released June 19 and hitched a ride on a milk truck back to Traunstein.

    His family was happy to see him.

    ``Of course, for full joy, something was missing. Since the beginning of April, there had been no word from Georg,'' he remembered. ``So there was a quiet worry in our house.''

    Suddenly, in the middle of July, in walked Georg, tanned and unharmed. He sat at the piano and banged out the hymn, ``Grosser Gott, wir Loben Dich,'' ``Mighty God, we Praise You'' as his family rejoiced.

    The war was truly over.

    ``The following months of regained freedom, which we now had learned to value so much, belong to the happiest months of my life,'' he wrote.