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Honestly, I’d argue the likes of Cronkite and his ilk were even WORSE than Goebbels. At least Goebbels when he pushed his lies was actually LOYAL to the country he was making propaganda in (Nazi Germany) while still being a bad lot overall, while Cronkite and his ilk were backstabbing their own people and allies (America and the West). They’re more like an unholy blend of Goebbels and Quislings.

Actually, come to think of it, they’re more like Lenin clones (and that guy wasn’t even loyal to the USSR, never mind anyone else, openly declaring his contempt for Russia upon taking power), and Lenin actually coined Goebbels maxim BEFORE Goebbels himself made it famous.

Don’t you mean 1776?

In any case, for what it’s worth, I refused to vote for Obama twice ESPECIALLY after learning he was pro-Abortion during my high school years, and if anything I found even MORE reasons to refuse to vote for him when reelection came up.

And trust me, sheepish devotion is a flaw with lands of free. We had the same devotion to Voltaire, who if anything was the Walter Cronkite of France in all negatives that that implies, including reducing free speech to be a complete joke.

As much as I genuinely hate Cronkite for his repeatedly giving Communism and Voltairism a foothold since the Vietnam War, possibly World War II, I won’t credit him with being the first partisan propagandist in undercover “newsman” disguise. That award goes to Walter Lippmann. Let’s not forget, HE was the one who created that bit, and in fact, that was arguably the entire POINT behind “objective journalism”, meaning it was purely meant to promote Soviet policies since back during Lippmann’s time.

But definitely agreed that Cronkite deserves to rot. He’d better say hello to Lippmann while he’s in Hell (and he was still pro-Communist, Lippmann I mean. He only went against Soviets because he thought Communism should occur in America or some other modern society rather than a backwater country).

“Cronkite adored Kennedy [...] and down right hostile towards Nixon.”

Ironic, since Kennedy and Nixon were ALLIES during the McCarthy hearings, and by that, I mean both Kennedy AND Nixon were aiding Joseph McCarthy. Meaning if anything, Cronkite ought to hate JFK with the same rigor due to his standing in the way of his beloved Communism.

I wouldn’t even give him, or for that matter Marx and Lenin, the benefit of the doubt by claiming they were “do-gooders”: They most likely knew FULL well they were evil scumbags and were NEVER good, but just used PR to make themselves come across as good. In other words, I would never call him a do-gooder or even having the delusion of being a do-gooder (at least with Hitler, you could make the argument he WAS deluded, which you really can’t do with Marx and Lenin when they specifically make clear in no uncertain terms that they most likely KNEW they were bad and reveled in it by some of their statements.).

The guy literally said sitting on the hand of Satan was his proudest moment, he HAD to know full well he was doing evil just from that.

To be fair, I’d probably still support JFK despite hating his cheating womanizer antics if they published them mostly because he at least was anti-Communist back then, anti-Communist enough to actually support Joseph McCarthy alongside Nixon, so Cronkite wouldn’t have been a factor in my supporting JFK (if anything, had Cronkite gone AGAINST JFK, that would make me even MORE supportive of JFK especially if JFK is anti-Communist).

I never really understood the whole description of it as “Disney-esque”, mostly because most classic Disney films (pre-renaissance, and certainly pre-BATB) at least IMPLIED hard work and responsibility was necessary to make dreams come true rather than merely wish for it to happen (quite frankly, I’d argue Beauty and the Beast actually STARTED the trend of ignoring responsibility and hard work while having happy endings are served on a silver platter, considering how Belle largely did nothing and if anything came far closer to CAUSING a bad ending throughout, and only GOT a happy ending due to sheer dumb luck. Her predecessors, yes, even Ariel, came far closer to embracing responsibility and hard work to make their dreams come true than Belle did.). Besides, modern left-liberalism if anything is closer to outright nihilistic like with the Wachowskis’ Matrix Trilogy or the crap that people like Foucault or Kojima push. Their idea of a perfect world essentially being a free-for-all death world akin to the Wild West.

To be fair, Voltaire, a “classical” liberal, advocated for much of the same crap the left does today, including faking being a defender of free speech only to then turn around and deny it to his enemies when he has the cards, like he did with the Jesuit Order, so I’d argue leftists and classical liberals are one and the same ultimately. At least, the French wing of classical liberals are one and the same with the left. Not surprising, since the left originated with the French Revolution, which was Voltaire’s handiwork alongside Diderot, Sade, and Rousseau.

I don’t disagree with you at all on that front. My main objection was more the comparison to Nazis, and that’s less because I thought they wouldn’t do something like that (or that they were somehow different) and more that, if anything, Nazis are far too overused regarding evoking a political evil. I mean, the Bolsheviks (under Lenin anyways), Castro and Che Guevara, Mao Zedong, even Robespierre get passes for their atrocities and even get lionized, while the Nazis repeatedly get bashed (not unjustly, don’t get me wrong, but it gets annoying when people who were FAR worse than the Nazis are literally hero-worshipped, to such an extent that movie heroes like the Rebel Alliance from Star Wars are actually MODELED after them.).

Actually, he was sent to Russia by the Germans to get the former out of the War, and by the time Lenin arrived, Kerensky already threw Nikolas II out and had a provisionary government in place. Lenin then screamed for another revolution, and then we got into all of that. And fascism, BTW, was a spinoff of Marxism, much like Social Marxism was (the very FOUNDER of Fascism made that much clear).

And my irritation at the Nazi comparisons is more that they’ve been overused if you ask me. How many people make comparisons to what Lenin did, for example? Or even Che Guevara (and by that, I specifically mean make a comparison that paints Che in a negative light)? Or Robespierre for that matter?

Whether I’m for or against Biden, or for or against Trump, all I’m going to say is that I’m REALLY going to enjoy watching Katzenberg get humiliated like this. That guy ruined Disney by forcing in needless sociopolitical messaging with Beauty and the Beast and Pocahontas, not to mention came close to sabotaging the Renaissance multiple times, and was also the guy directly responsible for hiring Linda Woolverton, the same idiot who wrecked Sleeping Beauty with her Maleficent movie, and also nearly wrecked Toy Story. Basically the prototype to what Bob Iger inflicted onto Disney. As far as I’m concerned, he DESERVES the humiliation for being such a petty jerk.

I’m definitely for Trump, but even if I weren’t, just watching everyone turn on Katzenberg after everything he did is nothing short of cathartic.

Yeah, can we not make Nazi comparisons (even if a clever play on words)? This if anything was more similar to how LENIN took power in the USSR.

Try earlier than that, when he had Obi-Wan, one of the good guys, outright PROMOTE the idea of truth being relative rather than absolute back in ROTJ. Not to mention modeled teddy bears after the Vietcong, and implied the Rebels were cut from the same cloth.

No, they’re not stupid, they’re just following Lenin and Voltaire’s playbooks of demonizing the ones in charge then doubling down on the actions they condemned once they themselves are in power (let’s not forget, Lenin literally said when asked about the about-face on freedom of speech “I only was for free speech when I was the opposition.”). The more fitting term is unscrupulous.

No, only Disney got seduced, Lucas if anything was with the Dark Side from the very beginning. Let’s not forget he specifically modeled the Rebels after the Vietcong and disguised them as more American just to trick audiences into rooting for the enemy (and worse, even KNEW full well at the time he did so that he modeled them after a mass murdering terrorist group).

Turned? He was already there from the start. This was literally the same guy who bragged repeatedly since ROTJ (and actually had development notes dating back to 1973 to back up his claims) to modeling the heroes after the Vietcong and the villains after America itself.

Seriously? I think the fact that he even sold off Star Wars to a snake like Bob Iger should have been a big hint that he was undeserving of respect to begin with. I mean, it was public knowledge that Bob Iger twice managed to sabotage Path to 9/11, once by being a key player in the media circus that forced the producers to essentially remove six minutes of footage that was even slightly critical of Bill Clinton regarding his handling of Osama bin Laden, and the other by burying the DVD release to such an extent that he refused to sell it to Lionsgate, ALL so Hillary had a shot at becoming president in 2008 and 2016. That should have been a BIG hint that Iger was willing to backstab anyone, even those on the same political side as him (remember, the Path to 9/11 guy was not conservative, he was liberal, even included a few moments criticizing Bush, and even expected the Bush administration to attack him instead of Clinton.). What’s worse is he did so to get out of the inevitable tax hikes Obama was going to implement at his insistence to “make the rich pay their fair share.”

It’s also because of this bit that I am not even surprised Lucas would do something like this. Heck, he even managed to cheerlead Obama despite his being the same kind of creep that Palpatine was meant to represent (the whole “sabotage democracy from within” thing). And besides, what truly had me lose respect for Lucas was his manipulating us into rooting for the Vietcong over our own country. That was just unforgivable.

Ironic, since Lucas modeled the Empire after Nixon’s America, and the rebels after the Vietcong, only for the latter’s policies resemble that of the Empire FAR more.

“Only ones Self is sovereign.”

I wouldn’t even say one’s self is sovereign, either. God’s sovereignty is above ANY sense of self. But definitely agreed with the rest.

To be fair, English/Scottish Enlightenment was also what brought us David Hume and... well, let’s just say that did incalculable damage to faith and even reason at times. So I’m not entirely sure the English/Scottish Enlightenment really differed in that regard. And that’s not getting into how Tom Paine was originally English and a firm adherer to the Enlightenment and was the biggest cheerleader of the French Revolution and its ideals short of Jefferson.