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Thanks for posting this Abb!

Cool.

Great! Nifong is investigating those critical of him.

The man can't stop himself.

How desperate is it to get a sworn statement from one's wife?

You gotta be kidding me.

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One of those difficult NCCU classes:

http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-771309.html

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"A couple morons ruining a whole board...."

Maybe that's their deliberate intention?

Same thing happened at Court TV--again, maybe deliberate.

(So the way to defeat that is to NEVER answer the trolls.)
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re: TalkLeft, etc.

It is tactial and strategic. I agree with CondorFlight - to ignore them is the only way to handle it. Otherwise, unemployed Haters continually hijack threads and change the subject. The subject is NOT whether it is theoretically possible - no one else is held to that standard, and it's obviously not the legal standard.

To be honest, most of these disruptors hate White people or
they practice Leftism as a religion. They do not care if the players committed the crime or not - they choose sides based on race or "religion."

It makes sense, really. Why argue an issue (with substance and logic) when you don't care whether the crime occurred or not. Only that certain people are convicted, and a certain type of people, which they see as a cause, are victorious.

You can see the fruits of institution political correctness in this country. The first time I realized that many, including the media, had totally abandoned right and wrong was when a white controller (finance type) in Washington D.C. described a City retirement or investment fund as Niggardly. The board was outraged. The man was fired. They demanded an apology.

Niggardly is a financial term and it means thrifty or miserly. The term's origin is totally separate from the N-word, in fact, it originally, in the 1500's, described a Scandinavian person. The two words are not connected in any way, shape, or form. But, it didn't stop the D.C. Board from taking to the airwaves and voicing their outrage and demonstrating the mentality of being a 'victim at all costs'.

While the well-paid board members should've been embarrassed by their ignorance, and subsequent harsh treatment of the white controller, they were self-righteous, bold, and unapologetic. The Media, of course, acted like the man deserved to be punished for his bad judgement. What bad judgement, I don't know. Apparently, the controller should've assumed the blacks on the board were ignorant, hyper-sensitive, and privileged.

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http://www.raleighchronicle.com/2006080403.html



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Take note, that in over 10 articles and multiple accounts - the cook (from Blinco's) says the Bald Guy was a passenger in the Black truck. The guy that takes off his shirt and tackles him after getting prompted to do by the Bald guy is the Driver. So, Bald Guy and Big Shirtless guy are in the same dark colored Truck.

When the Durham PD explained their investigation - they clearly said that Lee came from one vehicle and Tanner came out of ANOTHER! They had to do this because they are laying the blame for the Bald man actions on one of the other men. This all points to the Bald passenger in that truck getting overlooked - bypassed in this investigation.

The Durham PD / City Council said the report on the Internal Investigation report would be released so that the Public would have full-faith. SEVEN days later - they reversed themselves and said that they would NOT release the report.

But, WHY ?

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News and Observer 9/15

BUT, WHY?

Thanks abb

Is calling the POLICE consistent with FLEEING the scene?

Why did he call Police in another City ?

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Why, when his picture was plastered in the papers next to the articles on the assault, and the Papers were identifying him as the Officer that best fit the description of the cook, why didn't he leak or just call a reporter and tell them that he called the Police?

Why was he the first officer to hire a lawyer when apparently, he was the least involved?

This is pure BULL SHIT !

Thank you - Woodard's quite a character.

Good post. I don't know if anyone will ever get enough access to dig and audit - but I believe following the money will explain all the weird and highly unusual occurences in this case.

This doesn't even scratch the surface - but Why was City Manager Patrick Baker so eager to go on camera and say the woman NEVER changed her story - and if she had - HE WOULD KNOW!

Linwood Wilson - he read the entire file and she never changed her story!

Mayor Bell - when the whole story comes out, it'll vindicate the DPD, etc. Since when are Mayor's privy to individual case files?

Durham City Councilmen criticizing the LAX players and their Daddies ?

This just doesn't make sense.

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Anyone see the contradictions in this statement by DPD Capt. Ed Sarvis to Duke Students accused of UNDERAGE Driking?

"Furthter, you are considered adults in the eyes of the law once you turn eighteen years of age."


Again, this all has to be viewed in the context that people are dying in Durham due to shootings and stabbings - and the City has reported that they have 35,000 unserved arrest warrants.

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I wonder if these guys hang out at Blinco's.
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Remember, the DPD went to pains to publicly say their were others (including DPD) at Blinco's that didn't even know the other group was there. Highly unlikely in that small place.

Makes one wonder why they were so quick to make those public statements when they wouldn't answer any other questions on the subject.

3. The cops were going to make nothing of this case. None of them believed Mangum. Then after Nifong found out about it, he turned to certain dirty cops he knew to help him with this case. So I would not blame DPD in general.
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I agree. The beat Cops used the same determinants that they've used their entire career to assess her credibility. And I believe they determined that she was a problem child saying anything that was expedient.

IMO, due to a disfunctional Durham, Nifong got involved in the case in the investigation phase - where he has no business. The case was heaven sent and Nifong used it to achieve his personal goals.

I think Durham is an incestual, corrupt mess. It seems everything is inter-related. We have the City Manager inserting himself into the case and making multiple public statements that the woman never changed her story - and offering that he would know. He even stated how closely he was working with investigators on the case. We have a City Councilmen proclaiming them guility and predicting their Daddy's will get them off days into the investigation.
The, Mayor, for God's sake claims to know specifics that will be revealed at the right time. An investigator for the DA's office, interrupts a National press conference by the Defense attorneys to say that the woman never changed her story - and he had personally read the entire case file!

Early on in this thing, the Durham City Council urged a vote in support of Patrick Baker's handing of the Duke Rape incident - and multiple members took to the airwaves to express public support for his specific handling of the Duke case.

Someone else called it the Perfect Storm and I agree. IMO, if there were Honest people running Durham - you wouldn't have so many people willing to violate laws, processes, procedures, and go before National Cameras to defend others that have evidently done that same thing.

To me, common sense dictates that these people were comfortable in this position and doing these things. It strains credulity to think that this is the first time these people have crossed the line.

That rings very true. Puzzling.

I read the Durham City Council's minutes and started at their first meeting in Jan 2006 (1/3/06):

The minutes tell us something about Durham. The City Manager and the City Council are in control of EVERYTHING - from Pay and compensation of the Police (and individual ranks) to funding of the SOCIAL SERVICES contractor. These are some very powerful people in Durham. The subjects and focus also show how Whites like Nifong and City Councilman, Mike Woodard, thrive. Both Woodard and Nifong have been critical of the Duke players and supportive of Police actions. Woodard providing support for Gottlieb and questioning if the complaints are "just Duke students whining."

It looks like there was 26 motions ( 25 were UNAMIMOUS ) and 7 council members voting 26 x7 = 182 votes cast - there was ONE No vote in the entire meeting. 181 yes 1 no. Fall in line, boys.
One can see how everything is inter-related in Durham. People asked why Chalmers was content to step aside and let Patrick Baker run things - The City Council and Baker determine Chalmer's Salary and benefits! Baker and the council approved a proposal to raise police pay and compensation - and Gottlieb is President of the Durham Police Officers' Association. So, it's reasonable to believe that they've had dealings prior to this.

One of the bids voted on was for funding of over 1,000,000 dollars!

In this single meeting minutes, the first read, this is some of the Durham City Council's business:

The City Manager, Patrick Baker, asked for compensation changes and classification changes for the Police Dept - and it was approved. Ordinance #13213

A presentation was given on an African American Male Outreach Program.

A contract for Women-in-Action was approved.
SUBJECT: WOMEN-IN-ACTION FOR THE PREVENTION OF VIOLENCE AND ITS CAUSES, INC. – CONTRACT

Evidently, positions on the various Durham commissions are reserved by Race and Gender:
SUBJECT: HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION – RECEIPT AND ACCEPTANCE OF AN APPLICATION MOTION by Council Member Clement seconded by Mayor Pro Tempore Cole-McFadden to receive and accept an application to fill one (1) MINORITY FEMALE VACANCY on the Human Relations Commission with a term to expire on June 30, 2007 was approved at 7:16 p.m

The Kings of the Public Housing Units (don't arrest those guys at my Pet (Housing) Project)!
SUBJECT: CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT (CIP) ORDINANCE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING BOND FUND SUPERSEDING ORDINANCE #13123MOTION by Council Member Clement seconded by Mayor Pro Tempore Cole-McFadden to adopt a Grant Project Ordinance amending General Capital Improvements Project Ordinance #13123, as amended, for the purpose of recognizing Program Income in the amount of $806,291 to the Affordable Housing Bond Fund was approved at 7:16 p.m.

Dept of Justice - Keep the Money coming
SUBJECT: REQUEST TO AMEND GRANT PROJECT ORDINANCE 2005 COPS TECHNOLOGY GRANT PROGRAM #13135 – U S DEPARTMENT OFJUSTICE, OFFICE OF COMMUNITY ORIENTED POLICING SERVICES MOTION by Council Member Clement seconded by Mayor Pro Tempore Cole-McFadden to authorize the City Manager to accept the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Community Oriented Policing Services, 2005 COPS Technology Grant by executing the grant documents; and To adopt the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Community Oriented Policing Services, 2005 COPS Technology Grant Program Project Ordinance, superseding Grant Project Ordinance # 13135 in the amount of $197,329 was approved at 7:16 p.m.

White Councilman, and Duke Student Critic, WOODARD is honoring Emanicipation Proclamation services at a local Church:
VMayor Pro Tempore Cole-McFadden announced she attended the Emancipation Proclamation services at Mt. Level Missionary Baptist Church on January 2, 2006 and thanked the Mayor for his comments. Council Member WOODARD congratulated Rev. James Smith, the officers and members of the Interdenominational Ministerial Alliance of Durham along with Rev. Turner and members of Mt. Level for a moving ceremony--Emancipation Proclamation.

http://www.ci.durham.nc.us/agendas/minutes.cfm

_This was just one meeting

And some wondered how Civil Servant Patrick Baker drives a Range Rover

http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-769168.html


Policeman who arrested students was doing his job

By Ray Gronberg, The Herald-Sun
September 12, 2006 8:11 pm

DURHAM -- A Durham police sergeant's crackdown on Duke University students last year was part of a concerted effort to get control of the off-campus party scene, not the act of a rogue cop, his former boss says.

Sgt. Mark Gottlieb and other squad leaders responsible for policing the Trinity Park area next to Duke's East Campus were encouraged to arrest students and take them to jail, rather than issue warnings and tickets, because experience showed lesser measures lacked deterrent value, said Capt. Ed Sarvis, former commander of the Durham Police Department's District 2.

Sarvis added that the pressure to make arrests came from him, and that Gottlieb's fellow squad leaders in District 2 were just as aggressive about responding to it, even if their efforts didn't show up in their personal arrest statistics.

The captain also said that before the start of the 2005-06 academic year, he sent every Duke student who'd signed up for housing controlled by two popular landlords a letter saying his officers would crack down hard on noise and alcohol violations.

"I fully stand behind the decision to make an actual, physical arrest," Sarvis said. "I sent every off-campus student in the Trinity Park area a letter and warned them of this very thing. They knew to expect it. Maybe they didn't like it, but they certainly can't say they weren't warned. They were warned."

Gottlieb, he added, "was doing his job, and doing what I asked him to do."

Sarvis offered his comments Monday, after reports surfaced in a Raleigh newspaper and the Duke Chronicle alleging that Gottlieb singled out Duke students for harsh treatment, arresting them in disproportionate numbers and in some cases allegedly subjecting them to verbal abuse.

Many of the complaints centered on the fact that Gottlieb would arrest students for noise and alcohol offenses rather than issuing them tickets. He allegedly was more prone to doing so than the other three sergeants who commanded patrol squads in District 2 last year.

The scrutiny of Gottlieb's conduct comes because of his role as the supervising investigator of the Duke lacrosse rape case. The Chronicle reported that its story was inspired by a dossier on the sergeant's arrest statistics supplied by "a Durham attorney close to the lacrosse case."

A representative of Durham lawyer Bob Ekstrand -- who counseled many lacrosse players in the early stages of that investigation -- offered to discuss the dossier with The Herald-Sun on Monday. But she stipulated that the interview be off-the-record, a request The Herald-Sun declined.

The representative, who identified herself only as Bethany, said she'd compiled the dossier.

Sarvis' warning letter, dated Aug. 10, 2005, went to students renting from landlords Guy Solie and Bob Schmitz. Its 999 words left no doubt that police intended to address long-standing complaints about the party scene lodged by residents of the Trinity Park, Trinity Heights and Walltown neighborhoods.

"We want to end this problem and the negative impression surrounding communities have toward Duke students, starting with you and the residents living with you," the captain said in the letter, adding that police would hold the residents of a home personally accountable for any noise and alcohol violations, even violations committed by party guests.

The letter said the department's response would be a ticket "at a minimum," and that more severe treatment was possible. "If the officers responding to the scene feel it is more appropriate, residents may be subject to an actual physical arrest and transported to the Durham County Jail for formal charging," the letter said.

In Monday's interview, Sarvis said he encouraged arrests because more lenient treatment hadn't made any dent in the problem. Officers found that students shrugged off tickets, with some even "taking one for the team" by accepting one and paying it off on behalf of a whole house.

The point of making arrests was to find out if the students would "feel the same way if they were taken away in handcuffs," Sarvis said, adding that the pressure worked and officers found that "students were for the most part not willing to be the fall guy" for their compatriots

The effort squared with state law and department policy that gives officers discretion to arrest people for misdemeanors, Sarvis said.

Sarvis added that he developed the policy in response to persistent complaints from neighbors. "I had plenty of residents come to me and say the student behavior was out of control and they felt we were doing nothing about it," he said. "Their opinion was that we were driving by [problems] with a blind eye."

Trinity Park activists confirmed Monday that they'd pushed the department to conduct a "zero-tolerance" enforcement effort, starting as far back as the spring of 2002. Their lobbying targeted the Police Department, city administrators and elected officials, N.C. Alcohol Law Enforcement and the Durham County district attorney's office, then headed by Jim Hardin.

"There had been a 20-year history of issues here, affecting the quality of life of the neighbors here, and other students who lived in the neighborhood," said David C. Smith, a Durham civil lawyer who headed the Trinity Park Neighborhood Association from the spring of 2003 to the spring of 2005. "This isn't an anti-student issue, it's a lack-of-respect-for-their-neighborhoods issue.

Sarvis said one of the recent reports on Gottlieb's arrest statistics exaggerated the potential disparity in part by comparing them to those of another sergeant, John Shelton, who was not leading one of District 2's patrol squads at the same time Gottlieb was. Shelton replaced Gottlieb as the D squad's commander this winter.

Two of the other sergeants who were running 12-officer patrol squads in the district at the same time as Gottlieb, Laird Evans and Paul Daye, frequently delegated the task of making arrests to their subordinates, Sarvis said. Gottlieb and the fourth sergeant, Dale Gunter, tended to be more hands-on.

Gottlieb's statistics were also were at least partly the luck of the draw under the Police Department's shift structure, which asks officers to rotate shifts in a way that means a squad works one set of weekend nights a month. By luck of the draw, Gottlieb's squad happened to be on duty last Oct. 8, the night of a Rolling Stones concert at Wallace Wade stadium.

He and his officers spent a good part of that evening coping with a party at 203 Watts St. that produced seven arrests, most or all of which went on Gottlieb's ledger.

The Solie-owned house was already the "No. 1 house for complaints" about alcohol violations and noise in all of District 2, Sarvis said, adding that the raid effectively shut it down because parents notified of the incident immediately began pulling students out of the house.

Elected officials interviewed Monday and Tuesday had little quarrel with the idea of police having arrested students or cracked down on the party scene, but said there were allegations in the Chronicle's story that merited further study.

They concerned claims that Gottlieb had threatened to pursue deportation proceedings against two students, one an international student, the other a resident of 203 Watts St. and U.S. citizen with a foreign-sounding name. The student, Urosh Tomovich, is an Ekstrand client who's appealing a District Court conviction on a noise-law violation and a charge of aiding and abetting open container violations that netted him two years of probation.

"[If] any charges of racial comments or violent arrests have any merit, they need to be investigated," said City Councilman Mike Woodard, who's also a Duke employee. "But if it's just Duke students whining because they were arrested for violating the law, these were all cases of Gottlieb doing his job. There's really nothing for these students to stand on if that's all there is."

Duke spokesman John Burness said the university had been aware of the Durham Police Department's zero-tolerance policy, and said administrators would be concerned if there was evidence Gottlieb "was being disproportionate."

"It'd be a matter for the police and the city manager to look at now that it's been brought to their attention, to see if there are patterns that are inappropriate," Burness said. "If there are, we assume they'd take appropriate action."

URL for this article: http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-769168.html

I was told over 2 months ago - that two reporters on the Herald Sun staff regularly socialize and hang out with investigators on the Duke Case - and to look for prosecution leaks to go to that Paper due to this relationship. Watching and reading the HS - this has proved true. The Herald Sun was on the only Media outlet IN THE COUNTRY to print the Causcasian Hair found on the AV story.
The day before press time with that story Victoria Peterson went on a Local Radio show and spoke about this hair and she added that it was absolute proof - and it had been found in an area that could only mean one thing. The Talk Show host persisted in asking her the source of this information and she finally stated - from an investigator on the case. From that I concluded that the Hair story printed the following day was from the same source - an investigator on the case.

Now comes the Herald Sun:
Gottlieb was just doing his Job. The stats can are skewed. He's a great man, etc. and so forth...

http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-769168.html

Gottlieb was "encouraged to arrest students and take them to jail, rather than issue warnings and tickets"

Yeah, and I guess they told him to let others found in suspiciuos circumstances with a .45 caliber concealed and drugs on them off too! I guess the procedure said those people shouldn't be arrested. This is comical. Let's all pretend Durham isn't overrun with Crime.


How much preferential treatment are they willing to give one man?

Blinco's .. Accident .. Not arresting suspicous characters carrying .45 caliber and drugs - YET, those 20 year olds drinking MUST be stopped.

Durham is filthy with crime, how can anyone justify this

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The Durham Herald Sun comes to the rescue of Gottlieb