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I was waiting for some black guy to blame their problems on black women.

HEAD:
Tune in:
as you see, it took me a long time to stop laughing, so I can now intelligently respond:

:P

A colored woman who prefers white men is not considered problematic. A colored woman who prefers white men has enough problems of her own.
Black women are not my problem; I hold them responsible for none of the ills in my life. My mother, a Black woman from the Bahamas, taught me very well, despite her lack of advanced formal education. Black women have their own difficulties being Black, being women, wanting to be regarded as equals, wanting to be in good relationships, ect. I can hardly hold them responsible for any of my self made and society sponsored dilemmas.

As Always:
"K"

My sister went to CCNY. She was in the same class as Colin Powell. She recieved a wonderful education. It serves her to this very day. It is indeed a shame that the school has lost its edge for educational excellence, whomever is at fault. Hopefully, the school will regain its status.

As Always:
"K"

Hey Mom:

Whiney? Because I won't totally buy in to the "can't we all just get along" stuff? Sure, as a people we have made tremendous progress, no doubt. Is not the truth the truth?

Angry? maybe. gets me up in the morning.

Black Male? I AM!

Racist? I protest!

It says "no profanity, no personal attacks, no racism or violence in posts". OK. I'll play by the rules. I will point out hatred, bigotry, racism and violence in whatever post I read. Let's see how many people can keep up.

As Always:
"K"

PING!

Say What? In this American Society? You must have it wrong.
Those kids are just unruly, have had poor parenting, have no respect, and probably have shiftless slackers for fathers, if the fathers are even around!

This Society will not tolerate that sort of treatment of children! Those parents are just looking for some one to blame for their failure!

Do I sound like a "Freeper" now?

A female friend has mentioned the same thing. Kid can read, write, count, ect. This is in New York, too.

Funny, I could read at 3, count up to 100 at 4, add and subtract multiple digits (pretty well) at 6, went to the "Catholic" school, and suddenly, according to one teacher, couldn't do a damn thing AND was a discipline problem!

I guess it was me though.

As Always:
"K"

Thank You. God looked out for me. I worked very hard. I thought I was going out of my mind during that period.
Thanks Again.

As Always:
"K"

I am an American Citizen who was raised with the ideals and vision I was taught by the American Society that nurtured me. I attended private schools, and served in the United States Navy. You tell me what I am.

As Always:
"K"

Coming to the defense of radiohead is inded admirable; chivalry is not dead. I don't know what schools you went to, but one of the common complaints many of US Black People voiced over the years is "where do we fit in history, American or otherwise?" My instruction in American history was very white-washed, with the great accomplishments and vision of our (?) Founding fathers, (many of whom owned slaves), our captians of industry, our great explorers, topped off with our great savior and emancipator, Abe Lincoln. Sorry, I forgot to mention Fredrick Douglass, possibly the greatest manifestation of integrity and strength in the entire American 19th century. Ol' Freddie got a few lines, here and there, along with G.W. Carver. What about the rest of the population? Voting? Land holding? Education? INTEGRATION?
ACCUMULATION OF WEALTH? Get the idea?
THAT was MY personal experience.

I had ONE teacher who lost a few friends in Viet Nam who REALLY told it like it was: the battle in this country is for the young person's MIND. Once controlled, you can do what you want with him/her.

I added that statement to say to you, yes, you make your own decisions. You are indeed the product of your own decisions. Any one of us who has accomplished anything knows this. Many of us who have nothing know this also. My point is that you like any one can only make a decision based on what ever knowledge you have acquired up to that point. If, like the author of the original atrticle stated, the only exposure to education or advanced learning has been delivered by skill-less or uninterested teachers, in places where the standards have been tremendously lowered, or has been regarded as a waste of time, many of the old thought processes have to be stripped away before any real progress can be made. Remember when it was common knowledge that YOU COULDN'T GIVE A WHITE PERSON A BLOOD TRANSFUSION WITH A BLACK PERSON'S BLOOD? or When Black people just didn't have the intellectual capacities to perform higher mathematical functions? Times changed as information became available. Times changed as the subtle messages to the various ethnic groups were refuted and disclaimed. BUT: That doesn't mean that the messages that were sent did not exist, and that the repercussions of some of those those messages still don't exist today. Ever ask a cop friend if racial profiling actually exists?

One thing I notice about this site: anytime someone wants to say something derogatory about Black people, the racists and handkerchief heads come out and applaud the clear vision of the poster. RARELY, if at all, do i see any refutations. Why is that?

As Always:
"K"

Want a copy of my licence?

"Kelly" is my alter ego's name.
Say hello to mom.
Season's Greetings!!

As Always:
"K"

What do you know about Black men?
What do you know about Black people?
What do you know about being Black, period?
Just jump on whitey's bandwagon.
You sound like my sister, who, even though she has had black men all around her, doesn't know a thing about Black men or men period.
Why do white men feel so free to "run their own lives"?
White men complain today that they have it so hard that reverse-discrimination is such a setback.
Ever wonder why, other than what whitey has brainwashed you with, why more Black people, born in America, raised in America, don't participate in the riches of America?
Stop being whitey's showpiece, and THINK.
I'll tell you what, just go ask a white man, then go ask a Black man that has done something over time, like ME.
Ever wonder how the stage got set so that you could meet all those "lucious" white boys? Black People, real black people, fought in the streets, died in the streets, in the tenements, in the fields, in the prisons, in the hallowed hall of this corrupt government, and overseas to prove you were good enough to occupy the seats where you and I received our education.
And "massa's" sons whined.
Don't take my word for it, check whitey's history.

Always willing to help a sis..................
lady out.

As Always:
"K"

p.s.: Keep an ear cocked for MY complaint

I graduated Summa Cum Laude, posting 4.00 seven out of nine semesters, and worked a 40 hour work week, served in Student Government, and club activities. Not everyone can do it. Be glad you could, encourage the next person to keep on struggling. Don't be so stuck up and egotistical.

As Always:
"K"

This reply is posted in reply to ALL of the posts. I am a college educated Black male, who, after flunking out of
my first college, decided I needed an education. After my first foray in college, I had to pay for the next 4 I went to. After a start and a stop and a start again,
I have a graduate dergee. Every school I went to (in the North East) was the same: lots of women, lots of white males and females, fewer black men.
The "intelligence" (if you can call it that)that responded to the original post suggests that Black (American!)
men are lazy, unmotivated, undeserving, and shiftless connivers looking for a hand out. Very 1960's.
"Why can't they all just be like Walt Williams or John McWhorter?" I grew up with "why can't you (or youse guys) be like Geroge Washington Carver, or Ralph Bunch? Why can't all white guys be like Bill Gates or (dare I say) Ted Williams?
ANSWER: because we are not all alike. We ALL aspire, wether you appreciate it or not.
Some of us need the positive help being delivered by the men doing the job written about.
It is remarkable how much I encounter bigotry and moaning on this site, especially in the face of someone doing something positive for some, especially Black people.
I understand what a lot of young PEOPLE go through. Many of us really don't have a clue when we'er going through school, or even well into college, of what we want to do. That ambivelance is very hard to deal with. Some PEOPLE even drop out of school (!) because it is so strong.

I know NO ONE reading this post has ever suffered with and made mistakes due to their ambivelance.
Some of you want to call this Laziness. In saome cases, it is, but in how many?
I have what I have today because God saw fit for me to have it, and I worked my butt off to get it. Part of the struggle was with me, though: through what I had and hadn't learned, what I thought I wanted versus what I knew I could get, and my environment.
There is a correlation between education and criminal activity: the higher the education, the lower the incidence of criminal activity. (I'll make that lower level criminal activity in deference to Michael Milkin
and Barbara Stewart).
NO excuses: you get what you get by working for it.
Why complain when some people get taught that they
actually have the tools? Or have we forgotton what Black people were taught about America and themselves (especially men) not too long ago?
Oh, yes, this is a new America, where none of that stuff counts anymore.

As Always:
"K"

G from B:
Yes It's me. I read your and others' posts. I recently attended a meeting where one of my area's proponents on education was the keynote speaker. The gentleman suggested that parents, especially Black parents become more involved in their children's education, and in how and what the children are being taught. He empahsized how important it is for parents to be involved AND hold everyone coming into contact with their children accountable for those hours in school.
Throwing money at an eduactional institution is wasteful, especially if the money spent is proven wasted by the current measuring devices.
Utilizing eduactors that actually educate and help keep students involved in their studies is lacking in many schools, not just public school. Poorer schools just seem to have more of the poorer teachers, the good ones get overworked and leave. I keep hearing that the good teachers don't get the support they need because of "politics".
I found that during the years I was in school the emphasis on discipline and academics allows me to do what I do today, almost three decades later. Discipline and learning was the focus; some of
my teachers weren't very good teachers, but they kept
order.
Finally, I, like the speaker, believe eduaction dosen't take place in a vacuum. Many of the things we learn outside of school are brought into the school. While I learned the Three "R"s,(and other stuff), I think the educational system should be dismantled, and rebuilt to actually educate and turn out scholars, not automatons.
That will happen only if responsible adults get involved
and demand the product be changed and upgraded.
As Always,
"K"

G from B

I'd post a reply, but I need you to tell me what to post. I'm just a poor Black man who can read and write, who can watch and read the news, hold a job, help someone with their thinking, but I don't know HOW TO THINK OR MAKE A DECISION. I need someone to make it for me? Can you help out or should I wait for Dem?

As Always
"K"

Lady:

Redlining is agianst the law:
http://www.innercitypress.org/icpilc.html
I bought a house about 8 months ago. I couldn't even get a look at property in anywhere except neighborhoods that had at least 50% "minority". The ones I wanted to see in "the more affluent areas in my price range were dumps or suddenly had "accepted an offer", even though the places stood vacant or in the owners hands for at least another 6 months. I checked and counted. I had a friend call up two of these places, and lo and behold, they WEREN'T sold, neither had they accepted offers. My White friend found this out.

Stopping a motorist without probable cause is against the law:
http://members.aol.com/digasa/stats42.htm

So is shooting an unarmed civilian:
http://www.msu.edu/~varanose/chapter6.PDF
http://officerjellynutz.com/brutality.html

http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/inequal/2002/0925census.htm
I'm told that racism doesn't exist. It is just an excuse that Black people use when they don't succeed. I'm told that Black culture is the problem.
I'm told that 'unfortunate incidents' happen, sometimes between Blacks and whites, but these incidents aren't racially motivated. I'm told that Black people DO unfairly target whites; justifying their violence by believeing that white people 'owe' them something, or believe it is okay to exact a little "payback" or whatever. What do you think?

As Always:
"K"

You Do? Do You really Care?

The boy has to be held accountable for his deed, no doubt.

What happened behind closed doors with these "loving" people? The face we show the world is, many times NOT the face we maintain in our homes. OBVIOUSLY, there was more going on in that house than the "expression of love".
Have you ever considered that words could hurt more than fists, that parents DO bully their children, because they can, that killing someone or yourself usually means that mentally and psychologically you have run out of options?
AND NOBODY outside the family will know. AND the child
WILL blame themselves for ANY dysfunction in the home.
Children seek to please their parents. What kind of person raises the bar so high that the child can never reach it?

This child will suffer the consequences of this dysfunctional unit. Too bad the parents aren't around.
Sounds harsh. It is all too true.
As Always
"K"

Pardon me boy, Is that the Chattanooga Choo Choo?
No, No!
read it my friend,
Just NP's drivel again!

I would have posted a rebuttal earlier, but I just couldn't get through this post without laughing. Oh the typos, the typos! It's okay about the typos.You just can't help it! Your postings seem very emotion-laden. I told you about that! Feel free to point out ANY and ALL of my typos: so far I missed an 'H' and an 'apostrophe s'. I guess I fail American English.

You must have worn your dictionary and thesaurus to dog ears by now! You used TWO BIG words!

I plead NOT GUILTY!! I will explain why: CLASSIST. THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE ISN'T IT? Why won't you assosciate with certian people? Better than they are? Drink a better brand of Whiskey?
Once again you point out that you "associate" with people of different races. So what? Off of your own pen (out of your own big mouth) you say that you don't associate with certain people; just ones like you? That fit into your little box of acceptability? I hope you all do more than sit around and talk "la de da", and about how the poor folk are poor because they want to be, the wretches!

"I said that I am white, becuase for all of your previous posts to me, you were talking to me as though I am black. I thought that you should know that I'm not."
Where is this coming from? Writing (talking!)to you as if you were Black? What are you on?
How am I supposed to post (talk?!) to you? Am I supposed to begin and end end my statements with "Mistress"? Am I being 'uppity'?. YOU were the first one to use "Black History". Now you want to "cave in"(after getting knocked upside the head) and change up? You were the one that started the "ghetto speak"(even though its 'old'). Thought you had too much class for that.
And speaking of "class" Where is yours? Why the repeated name game? Is that your way of pointing out to your "elite" friends that you are actually "down"?

You mentioned the Jews, the Irish and the Puerto Ricans. You forgot the Itlaians. They ALL had/have their own insulated communities, they all were able to keep their communities intact by trading with each other, and by controlling the rental or sale of property in their neighborhoods, and they all had a language seperate from the main language (the Jews also have a faith) . These insulating factors allow for increased nurturing and ethnic pride of their people. Something that society doesn't do. AND they taught each other how to get along, maintaining a respect factor and a societal order.
(AND by and lagre, these were white-skinned people.= more level playing field (especially if you could lose your accent and change your name)
These entities of nuturing and ethnic pride exist in the Black community, to a lesser degree now than before. Many of our best and brightest opt to move out of the community that spawned them. Ask your friends if I'm right.
You mentioned Sugar Hill. I grew up five and twenty-five minutes respectively from Sugar Hill and still live twenty-five minutes from it. Been in and out of it many times. What's happening there today? For that matter, what's happening in Harlem these days?

The KKK: who did they target most? Whom did they murder most? While I will not insensitively disregard any person of any race whom they terrorized, maimed or murdered, after they ceased to be a harmless fraternal order, they had a particular group of people in mind. Ones with NO protection from the greater society. Who were they?

A/A is still needed in this country, racism still exists. A/A definitely needs to change with the times. I think it is too early to totally abolish it. Look at the wage scale.
Once again; I asked about PARITY: ECONOMIC, EDUCATIONAL, FINANCIAL, POLITICAL.
Do Blacks have Parity with whites regarding these entities?
Are we as Black people supposed to forget about these entities and just link arms with whites, like we have been trying to more or less do for the last 150 years? Suddenly, because some conservatives and republicans say some malarkey about brotherhood, we should just fall in line? Have we overcome? Just Be Americans. Is that the Idea? We should "ID" each other because of our "class"? Just another form of bigotry. One you freely admit to!

Al Sharpton came out against the uneven distribution of legal justice between Blacks and whites, and is running for President of the United States.
Jesse Jackson, the one who marched with Martin Luther King, Jr. (you remember seeing him there, right?) came out for A/A when it was brand new, and ran for President of the United States. From where I'm sitting, that is not bad company to be associated with. Thanks.

MLK,Jr. had a good idea. Who is against it? Can you answer that? Why is it that when HISTORY is pointed to, white people in America don't wnat to see what the HISTORY really says? It's always "let's just move on". Ask your friends about that. the one's that are willing to be honest.

When you hear the whistle blowin' eight to the bar,
Then you know an NP post is not very far!
You really think your roastin',
but all you do is BOASTIN'
OOH OOH You need some knowledge in your head!

As always:
Very Very Extra Special
"K"

Peace Be With You, Brother:

Your point about stock and stockholders is a good one.
Who is the controlling interest, or who are the controlling interests in any, for example, of our Auto makers?
What does it take to make an automobile? Where do the raw materials come from? Who processes them into useable components? Just a thought.

What happened when Chrysler was going under? Did the 'controlling interests' ask the stock holders what they, as an 'organization' should do, or was a board meeting held, and Lee Iacocca brought in? Who sat on that board?
What happens if the stock goes down? Am I still an "owner" or do I lose my investment?

"Isn't is self-defeating".......
Self defeating, no. Remember the Yugo? wasn't very good, didn't last very long in America. But a country that wasn't very rich or very well organized produced, marketed, and exported a car.
Look at the continent of Africa. The continent with all of the natural resources (mined and exported to other nations)to
manufacture nearly anything. A continent basically locked out of itself. Are all of the governments too disorganized, its engineers too technologically inept to make, market and export, intercontinentaly, some sort of transportation vehicle? Perhaps one already exists that I don't know about? Perhaps there is a body of stock holders there that finance this undertaking.
Once again, the main post suggests that Black kids lag behind white kids in the educative process. Posts suggest that Black culture dosen't revere education. I suggest that this idea is hogwash.
Remember, a "capitalist" economy NEEDS producers and consumers. I maintain that whites want to keep Blacks right where they are; as consumers.
After all, if I want to be part owner is an auto company, all I have to do is invest (SPEND) a little money. HMMMMMM.

By any means necessary(?)

As Always
"K"

Stevie Stevie:
Sure the explanation is something other than money. What do you think it is? http://www.ocpathink.org/economics/OKsEducationSystem.html
Read that. Or is it that Black people are just "intellectually and mentally inferior to whites"?
Check the book "The Bell Curve".

As Always:
"K"