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Trillion dollar trainwreck’: US super stealth fighter is eating the next generation
The Telegraph ^ | 6/28/24 | David Axe

Posted on 06/29/2024 11:00:32 AM PDT by hardspunned

All of a sudden, the US Air Force is considering cancelling a multibillion-dollar effort to develop a new stealth fighter. Citing the high cost of the so-called “Next-Generation Air Dominance” programme and the competing demands of other projects, USAF leaders have warned they may have no choice but to cancel NGAD – and find other ways of winning control of the air in future wars.

It’s a startling development for advocates of American air power. For generations, the whole US military – not to mention the militaries of America’s closest allies – have depended on the US Air Force to achieve air superiority against even the most determined and sophisticated foe, affording freedom of action for troops on the ground and ships at sea.

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I assume the Russians don’t have nearly the number of MIC debacles that we have. Maybe that’s why they spend less than 10% of what we do on defense.
1 posted on 06/29/2024 11:00:32 AM PDT by hardspunned
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“USAF leaders have warned they may have no choice but to cancel NGAD”

Kind of hard to develop weapons when half or more of the military budget is spent is foreign entanglements, overseas bases, retrofitting submarines for women and gay bathrooms, trying to find recruits when every white guy is told he’s total shit.

Beyond that, let’s take the fight to RUZZIA!!!!!


2 posted on 06/29/2024 11:06:16 AM PDT by BobL
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Yeah but the Russians suck. All they have is artillery, tanks and infantry. Paper tiger.


3 posted on 06/29/2024 11:06:17 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: hardspunned

Russians have more of a Elon Musk mentality when it comes to producing their technology. “Close enough and we can fix the next batch”

The US military seems to have a perfectionistic mindset about their technology. The first time we know about it, it must be working perfectly from the get-go.


4 posted on 06/29/2024 11:07:15 AM PDT by Jonty30 (He hunted a mammoth for me, just because I said I was hungry. He is such a good friend. )
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The DIC (Defense Industrial Complex) has become too greedy, inefficient and sloppy. If the next ten fighter turns out as well and takes as long to develop and put into service and does as wel as the F-35 they may as well forget it.

We lay legitimate claim to the most expensive education, military, government and health care in the world but a far cry from legitimate claims it is the best in any area. Not just a shame but a disgrace.

5 posted on 06/29/2024 11:10:04 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (The Government that got us in this mess is not the Government that can get us out of it.)
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To: hardspunned

Drones will be the future of air dominance. There is little need to develop any more crewed aircraft.


6 posted on 06/29/2024 11:10:50 AM PDT by Lazamataz (joesbucks is back. Let's remedy that! 😁)
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To: hardspunned

It was perhaps the Hypersonic Pronoun Assault system that put it over the top?


7 posted on 06/29/2024 11:11:02 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (🦅 MAGADONIAN ⚔️ )
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To: Jonty30

Perfectionist mind set but failure to produce even that. No, the Russians go for simple, robust, easy to make for the most part.


8 posted on 06/29/2024 11:11:46 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (The Government that got us in this mess is not the Government that can get us out of it.)
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To: hardspunned

I know it might irk pilots, but why not do a quick design of a cheap, stealthy or not, robust pilotless plane, surely that would save lots of money, and then pilot them remotely. Bet they could get 100 pilotless planes for each F35. Build up thousands quickly, no risk to the pilots, which protects that investment. Besides, imagine all of the American game players that could then be recruited as pilots.


9 posted on 06/29/2024 11:13:10 AM PDT by Reno89519 (I'll go out on a limb: Trump & Gabbard 2024 or Trump & Sanders 2024)
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To: MinorityRepublican

And over 6,000 Nuke Warheads.


10 posted on 06/29/2024 11:13:50 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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500 dollar drones are wiping out multi million dollar tanks and the idiot brass thinks a billion dollar fighter will be the future.

“A camel is a horse designed by committee.”


11 posted on 06/29/2024 11:14:19 AM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: hardspunned

Why don’t they just upgrade the electronics and engines of the F-22?


12 posted on 06/29/2024 11:14:21 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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We are getting clear evidence in Ukraine that our 1970s era fighters would be perfectly capable in a war against Russia. We have two more fighter platforms past the F-15/16/18 era fighters, and the F22 produxtion was cancelled early because it wasn’t capable of dispensing bribes as fast as the F35. We don’t need another fighter aircraft in the first place, and certainly not one with a pilot’s seat inside the plane.


13 posted on 06/29/2024 11:15:29 AM PDT by jz638
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I hang with some fighter jocks, most recently at the “William Tell” air combat superiority games in Savannah, GA. The word on the F-35 is that it is glitchy, but there is no question that it is vastly superior to any other aircraft.

Most of these pilots say the same thing: “It’s like this with any system-—the F-22, the Osprey. The training manual for a new fighter is written in blood.” I heard that a dozen times from test pilots and fighter pilots.


14 posted on 06/29/2024 11:20:40 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." Jimi Hendrix)
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To: hardspunned

Oh well. The military has other priorities.

LugButQueueTransPlus


15 posted on 06/29/2024 11:25:08 AM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: hardspunned

Drones baby, build them drones


16 posted on 06/29/2024 11:49:28 AM PDT by The Louiswu (Pray for Peace in the world.)
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To: hardspunned

Poor DOJ planning and maybe trying to do more “advanced” stuff than needed - making the plane more than necessary complicated.


17 posted on 06/29/2024 11:54:07 AM PDT by Wuli
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They are canceling this because the future is drones and they realize it is cheaper to build stealth drones that are modular enough to adapt to changes in processing power and advanced behavior software than to continue pushing a manned concept when most of its projected life cycle is predicted to be dominated by autonomous unmanned platforms.


18 posted on 06/29/2024 11:55:38 AM PDT by LambSlave
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I assume the Russians don’t have nearly the number of MIC debacles that we have.


One of the most corrupt states in the world has few “MIC debacles”?

🤣🤣🤣🤣


19 posted on 06/29/2024 11:58:57 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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No, they will have a crew of a man and a dog.

The man is there to feed the dog. The dog is there to bite the man if he touches anything.


20 posted on 06/29/2024 12:03:20 PM PDT by JohnnyP (Thinking is hard work (I stole that from Rush).)
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