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Thanks...good info.

In going back over older articles and bookmarks I had, and reading statements of Bush officials back in the first admin, it seems to me that patriots like Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, and Loy were trying to get the message out in regards to the links between Mexican alien smuggling operations, and global terrorism activities.

I have another story...you might want to post it...which shows the stupidity of later Admin efforts to convince people that there CANNOT be any link between MS_13 and Al Qeada...because MS-13 is Catholic!

Somebody has to post that story...its something else....

Its called insulting your intelligence...the hallmark of this Administration when it comes to immigration.

Looks like a great article...along the lines of Todd Bennsmans series.

Thanks

FYI

This is an older article, but bears relevence to todays topics. To my knowledge, this article has not been posted before on this site.

I, and others as well, have mentioned Admiral Loys testimony numerous times on other immigration threads. Unfortunately, several sources I had relating to this testimony seemed to have disappeared off of the web.

Behold the ultimate Coming Out Party....

The attempted putsch....by procedural maneuver....of the United States of America.

Please feel free to pull this post as a duplicate.

You beat me by one minute!

This is an attempted bloodless coup...a putsch....a takeover, via paper and pen, of the United States of America.

Dyno-mite article.

Which was the point I tried to make on another thread.

These stupid democrats (slightly smarter than the completely clueless Stupid Party), may also be the victims of this Latino nationalist movement....they may find that the emergence of a Latino Socialist Nationalist party will eventually (20,30 years down the road) virtually eliminate the Democrat Party as well.

Its called the Law of Unintended Consequences you too clever by half political nitwits in DC!!

What Debra says is true...this is not an honest debate...particularly on the issue of border security, which the Administration has had more than ample time since 9-11 to address (particularly after signing off Duncan Hunters bill requiring 800 miles of fence last October). If this issue concerns you, please check out two previous posts of mine:

Immigration Enforcement Myths and Realities

Terrorism in Latin America

YOU SAID...”If this were just about votes and cheap labor, both parties would win by letting this bill die . They already HAVE open borders and a de facto amnesty, so why this bill?”

First off...we may never know the real reasons why Bush does (or doesn't do) ALL the things he does (or doesn't do..like secure the border post 9-11 for example). Perhaps he doesn't know himself.

Yes they may be purely psychological, or even pathological. It may ultimately take somebody with the intellectual horsepower and professional (pre-political) expertise of a Krauthammer to someday dissect who Bush the man really is...and yes the answer may not be very pretty.

But, I can think of three base reasons for this bill:
1) It legitimizes untold numbers of illegal Latino people (plus their families now in Mexico), thus permanently changing the demographic of the country for a future leader like a George P. Bush. Once done...it will never be undone.

2) It sets up a mechanism via the guest worker program of importing millions of people AT ALL SKILL LEVELS, via large multinational JOB SHOPS and SERVICE CONTRACT COMPANIES. I guarantee you that when you buy a door or window fromm Home Depot at some point in the future, the price will already include installation via a subcontracted large service company using cheap imported labor from Mexico or Central America. At the white collar level, the engineering and Computer Science professions will virtually disappear for American workers. Already, the engineering schools have few Americans enrolled.

3) It provides TAX AMNESTY for the BUSINESSES who have employed these illegals over the years, plus immunity from future RICO lawsuits.

4) Perhaps most importantly...it tells the people of Hazelton Pa, and Lou Barletta to go pound sand. All their laws are now meaningless.

FYI

We report you decide...some good info here.

Just more background info to consider when you think about the past history, and future intentions of this Administration in regards to securing our borders against terrorists, gangsters, and other assorted MS-13 type groups.

Ahhhh...yessss

The COMING OUT PARTY commences...it is in full swing.

Ladies and Gents...let me introduce you to the MASTER OF CEREMONIES...

LOTT SAYS....”Talk radio is running America. We have to deal with that problem.”

Well well well.....

Back in the days of the Miers debacle...I used an expression...

“THE COMING OUT PARTY”

This is kinda what I was talking about.

This is all about every limousine brownstone egalitarian, elitist socialist, fascist, control freak, opportunist, wheeler dealer, liar, con artist, manipulator, egotist, and in some cases...mentally deficient individual to come out of the closet and loudly proclaim..

HERE I AM FOLKS...LOOK AT ME!!!

I relish this...this is what I had hoped for all along...

Thank God for the Internet and talk radio....those techno geeks, engineers, and dweebs everyone loves to diss have given you all the tools, technologies, and the means to save your country from these POSs

Lets use them....

YOU SAID....”Do any of these people talk to their bosses in a rant?”

I think youve made your point. People get it.

Heres another point though...the President is not our boss...he works for the people. Actually we are his boss.

I think he is getting a very bad performance review here on FR, and all across the Conservative blogosphere. Think that bothers him?

I seriously doubt, however, that anyone on this forum would actually scream in person at the President of the US in a public forum. There is decorum.

Why dont you start your own thread, and invite this WH staff worker to participate? Be polite, and make your case. See what happens..see if you actually get a response.

Why waste your time hangin’ out here ‘ranting’ at the ‘ranters’?

YOU SAID....”It is an illness, by the way, that Osama bin Laden intends to exploit because it erodes our trust of one another.

Just one more example of how & why your general assault on President Bush is pathetic. And treasonous.”

I'm not gonna bug you about that question I asked you earlier...consider it a rhetorical question.

But I cant let this go by.

You see...I really don't care who you are, what you believe, what your politics are, who you work for, or even why you are here on this forum tonight.

None of that is relevant for the points I want to make ....

You see, political dissent, and Free Speech, and critique of our elected leaders, is not a weakness...it is our STRENGTH... it is why we are a free people...in a free country.

But we DO have a critical weakness...one that Osama already HAS exploited...and which he will, if left uncorrected, God forbid...exploit to cause us unimaginable harm...

Right now, we have an unsecured southern border, through which known terrorist elements like MS-13 can freely come and go...at will.

That is our weakness. I have a post up tonight talking about Terrorism in Latin America...check it out.

You see....getting back to who you are...it doesn't really matter if...God forbid...Osama does smuggle a suitcase nuke over the Southern border...and it happens to go off in YOUR city...you are DEAD...same as I am.

Our politics don't matter to Osama...only the fact that we are Americans. Forget about this monstrosity of a bill..urge your Senators to simply do what they swore an oath to do...and secure the border NOW.

Why havent they built the 800 miles of wall required by Duncans bill signed last October?

YOU SAID...”And what has he lied or spinned about?”

The entire premise of this bill, and how it is being sold...is a lie.

It is being sold by the WH as a bill to give us Border Security and Enforcement, because the present system isn't working. The Amnesty (denial thereof is a lie too) and Guest Worker aspects are merely means to an end.

The truth is that the goal of this bill is Amnesty , not only for the workers...but especially for their EMPLOYERS. The TALK (whitewash) of enforcement and Security is a necessary evil means to the end. Down the road, it all will be ignored, as it has been all along.

Of course, the ‘system’ isn't working, because they are not doing their jobs....thats a conscious and deliberate decision they made going in.

YOU SAID...”But, I kinda thought that maybe some people with actual power would come to FR and gather the views of conservatives on issues. Call me naive.”

I think that people realize that they are being deceived...manipulated...conned...and the worst of all...talked down to.

I think the sense of anger and betrayal is visceral.

People have concluded that the approach here is not honest...it is not an honest debate.

Every time I have seen people square off on this issue on the MSM or on alternate media..the bills proponents get hammered..yet they come off as arrogant, and strangely unfazed by the fact that they have no valid arguments to counter the Robert Rectors, the Jeff Sessions, the Kris Kobachs, the Laura Ingrahams, the Michelle Malkins, the Ann Coulters...etc....

Everyone has finite patience, when dealing with people who are not giving an honest debate.